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Browns trade out of 2nd pick with Eagles

If the Eagles had traded with anybody else, I would say they got the better of the Eagles. But it's The Sadness. They just hitched their wagon to a guy that will be on IR by week 3.
 
A first round next year and a third and a fourth this year and a 2018 second rounder to move down 6 spots. I guess you have to be a brutal team to get these opportunities. And as some have said it is risky to Cleveland who doesn't have a franchise QB if Wentz or Goff are great. But Geez. Wouldn't it have been just as easy and less risky to just pay Osweiler a hell of a lot of money? I'd feel as good about that then mortgaging the draft future on an unknown talent likely who stretched his hands to make them big enough (though I commend him for the effort).
 
This move could suggest the stains like one of Goff/Weintz but not both. With the Titans at number 1 they would have had their choice but now, with the Rams getting THEIR choice, perhaps they weren't comfortable with a 50/50 chance of getting their guy.
 
Someone on this board said something to the extent of "watch the Browns **** this up"

And they are on that path.

Could still get Lynch or wait for Cardale Jones, but if the Rams take Goff and Wentz goes to Philly, it's ****** up business as usual for "Believeland"
 
USDA#1 said:
fly high

like the iggles.


CLE will **** this up somehow.
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One can only hope. But as I said in my thread on this subject earlier, the new front office seems very sharp. They're thinking and talking in ways we haven't seen from the Browns since their inception in '99. They've hitched their wagon to RG3 and rebuilding that defense. And there's a LOT of defensive talent in this draft.

I'm not saying Cleveland has turned the corner. But they've got their blinker on.

tapeANaspirin2it said:
Everyone has the browns as winners, but what if Wentz and Goff are great. Then the browns are losers for passing on a franchise QB. The browns drafted Kellen Winslow instead of Ben. Even if Winslow became the best TE in history, that would have still been a mistake to take him over Ben.

I think the Browns wimped out. They didn't want to stake their jobs on the high pick QB so they will trade back and stockpile picks. That type move is always praised.
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The big problem is that neither Goff nor Wentz is a "can't miss" type prospect. Both of these guys have upside but major question marks. Goff is a system QB with pocket awareness issues, which can ruin a QB's confidence early in his career and an average NFL arm. He's Matt Ryan. He'll win enough to keep his job and stretch your salary cap, but not enough to win a Super Bowl. Wentz has weak footwork/technique and an even more questionable arm. He's Chad Pennington. Against weak opponents he'll be Tarzan. When his physical tools are put to the test by better defenses, he'll turn into Jane.
 
I'm with Tape, this isn't a clear-cut "win" for the Browns. If the Eagles get a franchise QB, then Cleveland screwed up. I get that they could get a QB later or Wentz/Goff could bust, but they must not believe either guy will amount to much of anything in the NFL.
 
The Browns did this exact move 2 years ago when they traded down with Buffalo and picked Justin Gilbert. Or 5-6 years ago with Julio Jones. Or about 7 years ago with Alex Mack. They're thinking the same way as they always have.
 
I just heard on Philly news and Howie Roseman that they have looked and scouted potential QB's for the next couple of drafts as well as this one and this this year's crop is worth trading up for. That the pickings coming down the pike aren't as good.

I might not agree with him, but at least it sounds like they planned and did something I've encouraged teams to do without a quarterback forever. You scout 3-4 years down the road (as much as you can) and if you see one you like, do everything in your power to position yourself to get him. That's better than settling for whoever the QB of the year seems to be. The Eagles did go from #13 to #2 now with two trades. It would not shock me if they had identified Wentz/Goff as targets 3+ months ago.
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
But what if Wentz and Goff are terrible? Its not like either are slam dunk picks. These guys are far less obvious choices than Jameis/Mariota.

The Bronco's just won the SB with a TERRIBLE QB. So why in world would you bet the farm for these unexceptional QB's?!
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if you just assume that the guys will be terrible then of course the trade is bad. Both teams bet on the QB. Eagles bet he's good and Browns think they don't need a QB yet.

Winning the Super Bowl with a bad QB is pretty rare. And the times it did happen, it was because the rest of the team was outstanding and able to carry that bad QB. It's hardly the winning formula to go cheap at QB.

You only get so many shots to land a franchise QB. The Steelers struggled at QB from Bradshaw until Ben, never able to get over the hump until they got the great QB.

If i'm the browns, I'm taking the QB and then i'd take another QB next year if i wasn't sure about him.
 
deljzc said:
I just heard on Philly news and Howie Roseman that they have looked and scouted potential QB's for the next couple of drafts as well as this one and this this year's crop is worth trading up for. That the pickings coming down the pike aren't as good.

I might not agree with him, but at least it sounds like they planned and did something I've encouraged teams to do without a quarterback forever. You scout 3-4 years down the road (as much as you can) and if you see one you like, do everything in your power to position yourself to get him. That's better than settling for whoever the QB of the year seems to be. The Eagles did go from #13 to #2 now with two trades. It would not shock me if they had identified Wentz/Goff as targets 3+ months ago.
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The consensus is qb. Maybe they think Ramsey would be a game changer? Would Goff/Wentz be that much better than Bradford?
 
Superman said:
The consensus is qb. Maybe they think Ramsey would be a game changer? Would Goff/Wentz be that much better than Bradford?
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Neither Goff/Wentz are better than Bradford right now or over the next 2 years. Wentz has the potential to be better but I think that Goff is a pretty big step down.

The Eagles OL sucks bad so it is not going to matter who plays behind it. Bradford is just there to take a 22 million dollar beating.
 
fedderone said:
I'm not sold on either of these QBs, but Goff is the better option.
Wentz has bust written ALL over him.
Tape doesn't lie.
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I think just the opposite. Goff will be eaten alive, Wentz will be a very good qb
 
Steel Vanguard said:
One can only hope. But as I said in my thread on this subject earlier, the new front office seems very sharp. They're thinking and talking in ways we haven't seen from the Browns since their inception in '99. They've hitched their wagon to RG3 and rebuilding that defense. And there's a LOT of defensive talent in this draft.

I'm not saying Cleveland has turned the corner. But they've got their blinker on.



The big problem is that neither Goff nor Wentz is a "can't miss" type prospect. Both of these guys have upside but major question marks. Goff is a system QB with pocket awareness issues, which can ruin a QB's confidence early in his career and an average NFL arm. He's Matt Ryan. He'll win enough to keep his job and stretch your salary cap, but not enough to win a Super Bowl. Wentz has weak footwork/technique and an even more questionable arm. He's Chad Pennington. Against weak opponents he'll be Tarzan. When his physical tools are put to the test by better defenses, he'll turn into Jane.
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Where are you hearing Wentz has a questionable arm??
 
Didn't all this already happened in that movie "draft day" ?
 
deljzc said:
What don't you like about his tape?

I just watched his 2014 tape @ Iowa State and it was really, really good. He was pressured and his accuracy wasn't good (that improved a lot between the Junior and Senior seasons and I think he worked at his footwork during the offseason). But man, he was a leader that day when they WON vs. a BCS school on the road. He was hurt. He came back. Scrapped. Had a huge drive in the 3rd quarter (only ended in a FG) that was almost all on him.

That's a solid game against supposedly a team with vastly superior talent on the road. And that was his FIRST major start as a college QB.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/carson-wentz-vs-iowa-state-2014-vs-vs-vs-vs/
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Locks onto receivers, stares down intended targets, zero anticipation, doesn't throw ball away, ball security ( 10 fumbles in less than 2 years ), has happy feet in clean pockets, throws too much without setting first, and he played all but one game against FCS schools.
He came from a heavy run oriented school and didn't read D's pre-snap.
I see Wentz SCARED of getting hit. He's too jittery in the pocket.

OK?
 
fedderone said:
Locks onto receivers, stares down intended targets, zero anticipation, doesn't throw ball away, ball security ( 10 fumbles in less than 2 years ), has happy feet in clean pockets, throws too much without setting first, and he played all but one game against FCS schools.
He came from a heavy run oriented school and didn't read D's pre-snap.
I see Wentz SCARED of getting hit. He's too jittery in the pocket.

OK?
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I'll take the opposite side on everything you said, except the FCS thing and the run oriented thing - because because those are facts.
 
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