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Brown vs. Juju~Bell vs. Conner/Samuels...Comparison & Legacy...

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These names will be linked together forever more. Let the comparisons begin, because the rivalry is real.

Let's be honest these men have the envious task of replacing a historic duo. Bell & Brown. Keep in mind, THEY DID NOT WIN A TITLE so that will always diminish their personal stats. But, they put up some gaudy numbers....Juju, Conner & Samuels are on the clock. It's going to take a whole lot of off-season & in-season preparation in the gym & in the film room to beat your competition. Each week we will all be checking the stat line of all players as well as our Steelers Won/Loss record....

I will just touch on a couple of points, & will let you all chime in.

AB vs. Juju...

Antonio Brown...We know AB will be prepared physically as his preparation is as legendary as Jerry Rices. Juju will need to match that intensity or exceed it. Between the ears is where I think this will eventually catch up to Brown. He may even work out TOO HARD & start to break down. As you get older you need to be smarter. AB's thought process seems to be going in the wrong direction, I also think AB has not thought through how losing will affect him. Football will not be fun if they are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs by mid-season. He also will gravely miss the rapport & on field relationship between him and Ben. Ben pushed him & challenged him to be the best, which is always good. The timing thise two had was practically the best in history, & AB will miss the WI-FI connection. Once Oakland breaks down, the finger pointing will start and if he didn't like getting blamed for Pghs failures, wait till Oakland realizes the $$$ was not well spent. They will turn on him. Even if he goes for 1400 yards and 11 TD's, if they are bottom dwellers, it will get old quickly for the Oakland faithful.

Juju Smith-Schuster...He is now the focal point of an offense, and with great power comes great responsibility. He's going to get doubled & will need to adjust and be patient as teams will key on him. Film is his friend, & needs to study all opposing DB's tendencies and exploit them. His toe tap needs to get a little bit better, as his rival AB is possibly the greatest of all time. I would also suggest a strength training program, and drop 10 pounds for a tad bit more quickness. He will retain strength if he does this. He is strong already & fights for the ball, but it will be even more intense hand to hand combat. The WI-FI connection with Big Ben needs to become as legendary as Browns' was. He needs to curb social media UNLESS IT MOTIVATES HIM TO KICK AB'S ***.....Juju needs to play with a chip on his shoulder & be driven to lead his team by example AND play...Oh and he NEEDS TO DESIRE TO KICK ABS *** EACH WEEK.

Bell vs. Conner/Samuels (2 headed monster)....

Le'veon Bell...I got a feeling this guy will be in for a very rude awakening. He is going to HATE LOSING, & losing is in his immediate future. While he saved his body, things can happen when you don't stay in football shape. In Basketball, many returnees from retirement or times off (Michael Jordan-twice) have difficulty adjusting as the game lives on. His mindset HAS NOT BEEN FOOTBALL, & he does not have AB's work ethic. I believe he will have some assorted injuries and think he will miss a minimum of 3 games his first year. THE DANCE: Bell would drive me crazy with his dancing and waiting for holes to develop. It worked because of Munchak and our offensive line. This is going to blow up in his face in NY. THE STEELER OFFENSIVE LINE MADE HIM LOOK GREAT & our guys were very disciplined for him & really, really helped him. I envision those holes collapsing quickly in NY and he will get nagging injuries & frustrated in his YPC. He will be under 4 again. I also see him breaking off a few longer runs THAT HE NEVER DID IN PGH, only to have them called back for holding as they waited for THE DANCE. These will deflate him as well as deflate his stats. The New York media will eat him alive if he fails. I say he doesn't last 2 years in The City That Never Sleeps.

James Conner...High Character guy, been through alot, makes this season the time of his life. He can be great, but....I think he should put on 10 pounds of muscle and be even more of a bruising back. Needs to hit the hole quickly ALL THE TIME. Hold onto the rock bro. Blocking while improved, needs to step up much, much better. Conditioning has been an issue and hopefully he is addressing that. To be honest, we win 2 more games last year if he develops the ability to close out a game with bruising 5 yard runs and not fumbling. We did not have the confidence in him to got that route last year. Pass catching needs a definite improvement to get to the next level, but he did have 55 for 497 which is pretty darn good. This guy has the drive to make all this happen..He also needs to want to KICK LE'VEONS ***....

Jaylen Samuels...First off I hope they use some 2 back sets. This dude will shine if they get creative offensively. Great hands & believe it or not, he averaged 4.6 YPC in his limited touches. I think with limited carries again per game, say 8-10, his YPC will be similar.
If they overuse him in the offense, YPC will go down as they can key on him. Blocking needs to get much better. This guy has been working out in the off-season and I believe is quietly motivated to be great. He's got the pass catching skills to off-set Bells pass catching ability easily. While not a pure bruiser, Jaylen is a speedy bull. I see a breakout year for him, and 60 plus catches for him. If given the chance he will be a stud.

Like it or not, these 3 guys will forever be linked together. Our 3 young guns now have an opportunity to make a name for themselves . Seize the moment guys.....Oh, AND KICK AB & BELLS ***.......
 
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Nice read. Thanks man. One thing that seems to stand out to me is I don’t think AB cares about losing. He cares about him and his numbers. Carr is a good quarterback but no where near the level Ben is. You are on point with that.
I always thought he took the rhythm out of the offense if something- way the ground game was working. Next series it seemed like all the passes were only for AB-regardless how well let’s say Bell, Connor or whomever is having success against the defense. Just my thoughts
 
JuJu will have to learn to fight for the ball a little more since he will be the one who's double covered now without AB to take the heat off him. I think he can do it though.
Bring in Hines Ward or Stonio as part-time camp coaches.

 
Comparison?

Let's see, when JuJu has earned Seven Pro Bowl appearances and four All-Pro designations like Brown you can start comparing them, not this the pie in sky farting rainbows to help make you sleep better ****


Bell has made the Pro Bowl in three of his five NFL seasons and named a first team All-Pro twice - again, no comparison, let Conner actually finish a season healthy first, then we can talk
 
They all need to stay after practice and hit those jug machines. Hopefully Jaysam is having him a Conner-ish type of off-season. Making that second year leap.

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Comparison?

Let's see, when JuJu has earned Seven Pro Bowl appearances and four All-Pro designations like Brown you can start comparing them, not this the pie in sky farting rainbows to help make you sleep better ****


Bell has made the Pro Bowl in three of his five NFL seasons and named a first team All-Pro twice - again, no comparison, let Conner actually finish a season healthy first, then we can talk

**** AB. He didn't want to be here and when he was he only cared about his numbers. Nothing else.
 
AB has 5 games in his pocket w/o Ben and his stats are meager. 68 yd avg 4.8 rec a game a 0 tds. Bell has ONE season that didn't end w/an injury,start/end w/a holdout/suspension. Both dudes have a lot to prove in different colors and it's more than just their obvious talent. Between the lobes has been more the issue as of late. Will be an interesting season indeed.
 
FACTS
Career yards from scrimmage per game
Bell 128.9
Conner 59.77

TD
Bell 42 TD in 62 games = 1 TD every 1.47 games
Conner 13 TD in 27 games = 1 td every 2.07 games

FUMBLES
Bell 1541 touches 8 fumbles= 1 fumble every 192 touches
Conner 302 touches 4 fumbles= 1 fumble every 75 touches


Facts
Comparing Conner to Bell is laughable.

Bell is the most productive RB in history on a per game basis
Conner isn't even the best RB in the AFC north

AB is the best receiver in the game
Ju Ju has flashed greatness, only time will tell if he can put up AB stats while facing double coverage and #1 defensive backs??
I say no chance in hell

Ben struggles without Bell and Brown
Ben was great in his day, but its over.
Greed and Mismanagement ruined a once proud and respected Team.
Even all time Steeler greats are so disgusted they are more or less calling the front office and ownership clowns.
 
FACTS
Career yards from scrimmage per game
Bell 128.9
Conner 59.77

TD
Bell 42 TD in 62 games = 1 TD every 1.47 games
Conner 13 TD in 27 games = 1 td every 2.07 games

Yeah, but that comparison is clearly not legitimate as you included Conner's rookie season, when he sat behind Bell. Compare Bell's career numbers in terms of per-game production to Conner's last year, since Conner actually played:


Yards from scrimmage per game (Conner 2018 only)
Bell 128.9
Conner 113.1

TD (Conner 2018 only)
Bell 42 TD in 62 games = 1 TD every 1.47 games
Conner 13 TD in 13 games = 1 td every game


Both Players career numbers
Bell 4.3 YPC
Conner 4.5 YPC


Both Players career numbers
Bell 8.5 Yds. per Rec.
Conner 9.0 yards per Rec.


FUMBLES
Bell 1541 touches 8 fumbles= 1 fumble every 192 touches
Conner 302 touches 4 fumbles= 1 fumble every 75 touches

That is an issue. No doubt.

But be legit on the comparison, and leave out a season where Conner basically did not play.
 
FACTS
Career yards from scrimmage per game
Bell 128.9
Conner 59.77

TD
Bell 42 TD in 62 games = 1 TD every 1.47 games
Conner 13 TD in 27 games = 1 td every 2.07 games

FUMBLES
Bell 1541 touches 8 fumbles= 1 fumble every 192 touches
Conner 302 touches 4 fumbles= 1 fumble every 75 touches


Facts
Comparing Conner to Bell is laughable.

Bell is the most productive RB in history on a per game basis

The stats per game for Conner are greatly reduced because his rookie year he got a few carries here and there...Yards per game gets chopped big time (HE PLAYED IN 14 GAMES with 32 rushes) His line for last year is 113.08 yards per game

One item of note: I NEVER compared Conner & Bell....I compared Bell vs. Conner/Samuels
 
Yeah, but that comparison is clearly not legitimate as you included Conner's rookie season, when he sat behind Bell. Compare Bell's career numbers in terms of per-game production to Conner's last year, since Conner actually played:


Yards from scrimmage per game (Conner 2018 only)
Bell 128.9
Conner 113.1

TD (Conner 2018 only)
Bell 42 TD in 62 games = 1 TD every 1.47 games
Conner 13 TD in 13 games = 1 td every game


Both Players career numbers
Bell 4.3 YPC
Conner 4.5 YPC


Both Players career numbers
Bell 8.5 Yds. per Rec.
Conner 9.0 yards per Rec.




That is an issue. No doubt.

But be legit on the comparison, and leave out a season where Conner basically did not play.

Wait a sec, you mean someone would skew the numbers in their favor to make an argument, and throw all context out the window??? Sure, comparing the two is laughable when you include a rookie season that saw Conner get next to zilch for actual production. Even with his 32 carries that year, didn’t he average something like 4.5 ypc? Anyways, to be totall fair, we’d have to wait until after this season to get a better gauge on the two as far as comparisons are concerned.
 
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I looked briefly and could not find the answer to this question.

One of the few weaknesses in Bell's game are slash plays (let's say... over 20 yards). I am curious how Connor compares in this aspect. It may be confirmation bias on my part... but I sure seemed that Connor was much better at the splash plays.

Does anyone have a breakdown?

Thank you.

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Nice post SteveA.

How did Burress, Wallace, Bryant, and Holmes do without Ben? Not as good! Neither with Brown! Ben makes his receivers great, not the other way around. I'll give Brown 10 games before he changes back to the pain in the @ss diva he is.

As for Bell, Steeler fans will quickly see he's an over rated player. Our OL and weapons around him gave him extra room to run. He's not going to have that on the Jets.
 
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I looked briefly and could not find the answer to this question.

One of the few weaknesses in Bell's game are slash plays (let's say... over 20 yards). I am curious how Connor compares in this aspect. It may be confirmation bias on my part... but I sure seemed that Connor was much better at the splash plays.

Does anyone have a breakdown?

Thank you.

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Conner was among the lead leaders at long runs. Bell is a slug who likes to dance behind the LOS.

Conner had 9 runs 20 yards or more. Only 6 players had more.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...egory=RUSHING&conference=null&qualified=false
 
Yeah, but that comparison is clearly not legitimate as you included Conner's rookie season, when he sat behind Bell. Compare Bell's career numbers in terms of per-game production to Conner's last year, since Conner actually played:


Yards from scrimmage per game (Conner 2018 only)
Bell 128.9
Conner 113.1

TD (Conner 2018 only)
Bell 42 TD in 62 games = 1 TD every 1.47 games
Conner 13 TD in 13 games = 1 td every game


Both Players career numbers
Bell 4.3 YPC
Conner 4.5 YPC


Both Players career numbers
Bell 8.5 Yds. per Rec.
Conner 9.0 yards per Rec.




That is an issue. No doubt.

But be legit on the comparison, and leave out a season where Conner basically did not play.

Well, Conner also was out for the season after 68 offensive snaps. Not 68 rushes, 68 snaps. That does not lead me to believe that, had he played more early in the season that he would have gotten that much more production.
 
Yeah, but that comparison is clearly not legitimate as you included Conner's rookie season, when he sat behind Bell. Compare Bell's career numbers in terms of per-game production to Conner's last year, since Conner actually played:


Yards from scrimmage per game (Conner 2018 only)
Bell 128.9
Conner 113.1

TD (Conner 2018 only)
Bell 42 TD in 62 games = 1 TD every 1.47 games
Conner 13 TD in 13 games = 1 td every game


Both Players career numbers
Bell 4.3 YPC
Conner 4.5 YPC


Both Players career numbers
Bell 8.5 Yds. per Rec.
Conner 9.0 yards per Rec.




That is an issue. No doubt.

But be legit on the comparison, and leave out a season where Conner basically did not play.

To be factually correct I included every NFL regular season touch for both guys. You cannot pick and choose which games you want to include.
Bell was a stud from day 1, Conner has been injury prone from day 1 even going back to college.
Fact
Steelers were the 31'st ranked rushing offense last season


Fact
Conner has never finished a season



Fact
Leveon Bell has never finished a full game with under 30 yards rushing
Conner has done so 3 times in a single season, was held to under 20 twice


I have nothing against Conner personally, he's just not in the same universe and Bell.
 
To be factually correct I included every NFL regular season touch for both guys. You cannot pick and choose which games you want to include.
Bell was a stud from day 1, Conner has been injury prone from day 1 even going back to college.
Fact
Steelers were the 31'st ranked rushing offense last season


Fact
Conner has never finished a season



Fact
Leveon Bell has never finished a full game with under 30 yards rushing
Conner has done so 3 times in a single season, was held to under 20 twice


I have nothing against Conner personally, he's just not in the same universe and Bell.

Once again I did not compare them straight up....Conner/Samuels vs. Bell...

Let's have this convo again at mid-season, shall we?
 
Hard to compare AB's "legacy" to anyone else because he was the most prolific receiver in the history of the game during his time here. I'm glad he didn't break Hines Wards all time receiving records with the team though. If it was going to end, so be it.

Bell has been replaced already. How do we compare Bell v Conner? Conner didn't get to finish his first season as a starter since he got hurt. Bell also had some early injury issues. Lets hope Conner is healthy this year because with the current WR's we have, he's going to be a work horse
 
To be factually correct I included every NFL regular season touch for both guys. You cannot pick and choose which games you want to include.

I did not pick-and-choose games. I simply pointed out that including Conner's rookie season in the totals was not legitimate, since he didn't play much at all. Compare their numbers as starters - apples to apples.

Leveon Bell has never finished a full game with under 30 yards rushing.

Never finished a full game without ... ?? Picking stats much? Bell had 6 carries for a measly 20 yards in the championship game. He didn't "finish" the game so that does not count. Okay, sure.

I have nothing against Conner personally, he's just not in the same universe and Bell.

Based on what Conner did last year, he is certainly in the same "universe" as Bell. Conner ran for 973 yards, 12 TD's, 4.5 YPC, with 55 receptions, 497 yards, TD, for a total of 1,470 total yards, 13 TD's last year.

Bell has been in the NFL since 2013 - six seasons total - and put up more total yards just 3 times (2014, 2016, 2017), or just half the time. And of course I am including 2018, since if a ***** sits out, he does not get some "credit" for doing so. Bell scored as many TD's as Conner did last year exactly zero times. Bell also missed four games for smoking pot.

So two points: (1) Bell was damn good, but not as good as you think, and (2) Conner is much better than you think.
 
Damn...Who would've thunk this would have turned out this way in the first half of the season.....everyone on this list is either stupid, stinks, or STUPID AND STINKS across the board
 
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