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I kept responding because I thought we were taking a little shot at the "Archer" record.
and quite a few people have tried to explain that it hindsight, it wasn't an error.
There are two ways to coach in that situation, and unfortunately, you don't have hindsight to play out both. The coach makes an in-game, under duress, stressful decision, and you live with it. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.
That's the nature of sports.
But to call it "A coaching error"..... when in fact, it worked, is a false pretense.
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That's the same as saying "In hindsight, the missed tackles on Jusczyk worked because it gave us the ball back with 1:14 left on the clock."
That's being a cheerleader.
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What if Tomlin started calling the TO's if Jusczyk was tackled?
Column: Living in their cheers - http://dkpittsburghsports.com/2016/12/26/column-division-champ-needs-whole-lot-coachs-pom-poms/
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He may well have, but the decision should have been made once it became apparent that time was not a problem for the Ravens. Every second in between was wasted opportunity.
no, you are pretending to be objective while you are actually being subjective.....your dislike of the current coach interferes with your ability to be objective
This renders me speechless...
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Like Holmgren's decision in Super Bowl XXXII.
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I called Tomlin an above average coach in this very ******* thread! You saying I can't criticize his clock management and calling me names shows who is being subjective and who isn't.
Looks like the clock management was perfect in this game. 9 seconds to spare to win the division. That is GREAT clock management.
Perfect ******* comeback. Just like Tomlin subtle but direct at the same damn time lmao
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But not cool. Not cool at all.
Not THIS was awesome. Holmgren and the Seahawks doing the Chinese Fire Drill and wasting all that time in the SB, letting the play clock run down to like 5 or 6 seconds because they were so disorganized and then, just when they got their **** together - Cowher calls the T.O.
Utter perfection.
Not THIS was awesome. Holmgren and the Seahawks doing the Chinese Fire Drill and wasting all that time in the SB, letting the play clock run down to like 5 or 6 seconds because they were so disorganized and then, just when they got their **** together - Cowher calls the T.O.
Utter perfection.
Since this is a MT thread, I'll show up and eat crow. Never thought this team would win 6 in a row and make the playoffs. MT deserves a ton of credit along with the other coaches in fighting through the injuries and continuing to win.
Regarding Terry, sometimes it's better to shut up, especially if you are in the media.
Regarding Terry, sometimes it's better to shut up, especially if you are in the media.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...rgh-steelers-great-coach/stories/201612270044
Joe Starkey: Terry Bradshaw couldn't be more wrong about Steelers coach Mike Tomlin
December 26, 2016 11:12 PM
By Joe Starkey / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Thomas “Hollywood” Henderson, an old Dallas Cowboys linebacker, once said Terry Bradshaw “couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him a ‘c’ and an ‘a’.”
Given his asinine take on Mike Tomlin, I’m not sure Bradshaw could pull it off even if you threw in the ‘t.’
What a bumbling fool. But before we get to the silliest football conversation you will ever hear — thank you, FS1 — let’s put one of Bradshaw’s remarks to the test in the wake of Tomlin’s Steelers clinching their second AFC North Division title in the past three years.
“He’s really a great cheerleader guy,” Bradshaw said, in mock praise, on the show “Speak For Yourself.” “I don’t know what he does.”
OK, we’ll spell it out for you, Terry.
First and foremost, Tomlin W-I-N-S.
He T-E-A-C-H-E-S.
He helps devise G-A-M-E P-L-A-N-S.
He lets assistants D-O T-H-E-I-R J-O-B-S, which is always the mark of a secure L-E-A-D-E-R.
He has a direct hand in personnel acquisitions (we can learn those words next week, Terry). He M-O-T-I-V-A-T-E-S, for sure, and he E-D-U-C-A-T-E-S.
Every Friday, for example, a bunch of defensive players visit with Tomlin for a post-practice strategy session. It used to be just the defensive backs. Others soon joined. They sometimes talk for more than an hour, cornerback Ross Cockrell explained after the dramatic win Sunday.
“Since I was 7 and started football, I’ve never been around a coach who talks football like that, little tips, game-planning, strategy, everything,” Cockrell said. “He gives you all the insight you could want. Much more than a ‘cheerleader.’*“
“We learn a lot [during the Friday sessions] — what the coaches are thinking, understanding certain calls,” linebacker Ryan Shazier said. “[Tomlin] knows the game so well. It’s almost like he’s too football-smart. He’s very calm under adverse situations.”
One would expect such sentiment coming from the home team’s locker room, of course. Who’s going to say something bad about their coach? But these weren’t just platitudes. They were passionate endorsements.
“If you watch him, he spends hours upon hours in his room — or as he calls it, the hole — and he’s a real student of the game,” guard Ramon Foster said. “Come spend a week with him. See how it goes down. Then you make an opinion about him. But to say [what Bradshaw said] is ludicrous.”
Or just look at the facts. Tomlin in 10 years has won 102 games. And two AFC championships. And a Super Bowl. And as we sit here today, only two other teams — Green Bay Packers pending — have made the playoffs three consecutive years (New England, Seattle).
One time in Tomlin’s 159 regular-season starts have the Steelers gone into a game eliminated from playoff contention (Week 17, 2012). One time. He presided over a total rebuild of a decrepit defense and did not suffer a losing year. Twice he made the playoffs when his quarterback missed a full quarter of the season.
This year, Tomlin was without maybe the best player in the league (Le’Veon Bell) for three games, lost his two best defensive linemen, was 4-5 and still won the division as the Steelers ride a six-game winning streak — their longest in 12 years — into the playoffs. The three-year playoff streak is the franchise’s longest since a six-year run in the early 1990s.
Is he a “great” coach? Depends on your definition of great. Is there a great coach in the league right now besides Bill Belichick? I just know Tomlin’s pretty damn good by any sane measurement. Yet we have Bradshaw and Jason Whitlock insinuating that he is merely a cheerleading Rooney puppet.
And I say this knowing full well that Bradshaw often makes no sense. In the recent documentary on Chuck Noll, for example, he said, “I don’t know why [Noll] drafted me. I never was his kind of guy. I’m cows and horses and dogs. He was wine and Russian literature and stuff I have no clue.”
Right, so a coach is supposed to draft a player based on common interests. Good. That was about the level of insight displayed Friday on the FS1 panel. After Bradshaw said he doesn’t think Tomlin is a great coach “at all,” biting off the “at all,” Cris Carter asked Bradshaw if he thought Bill Cowher was a great coach.
“Yeah … Bill was,” Bradshaw said, thus giving every card-carrying Cowher-ite license to rip just a little more on Tomlin. “I have more identity with Cowher than I do Tomlin. His teams were tough. Tomlin came in from Minnesota, and I didn’t know anything about him, so maybe it’s unfair for me to make the comparison.”
Wait.*What?
Up stepped Whitlock: “I happen to agree with Terry.”
Thanks, Jason.
Are there legit criticisms of Tomlin? Of course. He loses to bad teams too often. Some of his key draft picks in combination with general manager Kevin Colbert have flopped. His clock management is often questionable (can you imagine the outcry if the Steelers had run out of time Sunday?), and one playoff win in five years isn’t enough.
But dry stretches aren’t abnormal. Cowher missed the playoffs three years in a row. Noll made the playoffs once in his final seven years. Other coaches tied long term to great quarterbacks (Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rodgers, Sean Payton with Drew Brees, Tony Dungy with Peyton Manning, to name three) have maxed out at one Super Bowl victory.
In a bottom-line league, Tomlin wins. His team is resilient. It has fought back from major adversity this season and from large deficits the past two weeks.
“He has his fingerprints all over this team,” defensive end Cam Heyward said. “Those comments were just reckless. They were stupid and didn’t need to be said. I hope this win reminds everybody how good of a coach we have.”
I would like to think so, too. But we both know better.
Joe Starkey: jstarkey@post-gazette.com and Twitter @joestarkey1. Joe Starkey can be heard on the “Starkey and Mueller” show weekdays from 2-6 p.m. on 93.7 The Fan.
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Joe Starkey: Terry Bradshaw couldn't be more wrong about Steelers coach Mike Tomlin
December 26, 2016 11:12 PM
By Joe Starkey / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Thomas “Hollywood” Henderson, an old Dallas Cowboys linebacker, once said Terry Bradshaw “couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him a ‘c’ and an ‘a’.”
Given his asinine take on Mike Tomlin, I’m not sure Bradshaw could pull it off even if you threw in the ‘t.’
What a bumbling fool. But before we get to the silliest football conversation you will ever hear — thank you, FS1 — let’s put one of Bradshaw’s remarks to the test in the wake of Tomlin’s Steelers clinching their second AFC North Division title in the past three years.
“He’s really a great cheerleader guy,” Bradshaw said, in mock praise, on the show “Speak For Yourself.” “I don’t know what he does.”
OK, we’ll spell it out for you, Terry.
First and foremost, Tomlin W-I-N-S.
He T-E-A-C-H-E-S.
He helps devise G-A-M-E P-L-A-N-S.
He lets assistants D-O T-H-E-I-R J-O-B-S, which is always the mark of a secure L-E-A-D-E-R.
He has a direct hand in personnel acquisitions (we can learn those words next week, Terry). He M-O-T-I-V-A-T-E-S, for sure, and he E-D-U-C-A-T-E-S.
Every Friday, for example, a bunch of defensive players visit with Tomlin for a post-practice strategy session. It used to be just the defensive backs. Others soon joined. They sometimes talk for more than an hour, cornerback Ross Cockrell explained after the dramatic win Sunday.
“Since I was 7 and started football, I’ve never been around a coach who talks football like that, little tips, game-planning, strategy, everything,” Cockrell said. “He gives you all the insight you could want. Much more than a ‘cheerleader.’*“
“We learn a lot [during the Friday sessions] — what the coaches are thinking, understanding certain calls,” linebacker Ryan Shazier said. “[Tomlin] knows the game so well. It’s almost like he’s too football-smart. He’s very calm under adverse situations.”
One would expect such sentiment coming from the home team’s locker room, of course. Who’s going to say something bad about their coach? But these weren’t just platitudes. They were passionate endorsements.
“If you watch him, he spends hours upon hours in his room — or as he calls it, the hole — and he’s a real student of the game,” guard Ramon Foster said. “Come spend a week with him. See how it goes down. Then you make an opinion about him. But to say [what Bradshaw said] is ludicrous.”
Or just look at the facts. Tomlin in 10 years has won 102 games. And two AFC championships. And a Super Bowl. And as we sit here today, only two other teams — Green Bay Packers pending — have made the playoffs three consecutive years (New England, Seattle).
One time in Tomlin’s 159 regular-season starts have the Steelers gone into a game eliminated from playoff contention (Week 17, 2012). One time. He presided over a total rebuild of a decrepit defense and did not suffer a losing year. Twice he made the playoffs when his quarterback missed a full quarter of the season.
This year, Tomlin was without maybe the best player in the league (Le’Veon Bell) for three games, lost his two best defensive linemen, was 4-5 and still won the division as the Steelers ride a six-game winning streak — their longest in 12 years — into the playoffs. The three-year playoff streak is the franchise’s longest since a six-year run in the early 1990s.
Is he a “great” coach? Depends on your definition of great. Is there a great coach in the league right now besides Bill Belichick? I just know Tomlin’s pretty damn good by any sane measurement. Yet we have Bradshaw and Jason Whitlock insinuating that he is merely a cheerleading Rooney puppet.
And I say this knowing full well that Bradshaw often makes no sense. In the recent documentary on Chuck Noll, for example, he said, “I don’t know why [Noll] drafted me. I never was his kind of guy. I’m cows and horses and dogs. He was wine and Russian literature and stuff I have no clue.”
Right, so a coach is supposed to draft a player based on common interests. Good. That was about the level of insight displayed Friday on the FS1 panel. After Bradshaw said he doesn’t think Tomlin is a great coach “at all,” biting off the “at all,” Cris Carter asked Bradshaw if he thought Bill Cowher was a great coach.
“Yeah … Bill was,” Bradshaw said, thus giving every card-carrying Cowher-ite license to rip just a little more on Tomlin. “I have more identity with Cowher than I do Tomlin. His teams were tough. Tomlin came in from Minnesota, and I didn’t know anything about him, so maybe it’s unfair for me to make the comparison.”
Wait.*What?
Up stepped Whitlock: “I happen to agree with Terry.”
Thanks, Jason.
Are there legit criticisms of Tomlin? Of course. He loses to bad teams too often. Some of his key draft picks in combination with general manager Kevin Colbert have flopped. His clock management is often questionable (can you imagine the outcry if the Steelers had run out of time Sunday?), and one playoff win in five years isn’t enough.
But dry stretches aren’t abnormal. Cowher missed the playoffs three years in a row. Noll made the playoffs once in his final seven years. Other coaches tied long term to great quarterbacks (Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rodgers, Sean Payton with Drew Brees, Tony Dungy with Peyton Manning, to name three) have maxed out at one Super Bowl victory.
In a bottom-line league, Tomlin wins. His team is resilient. It has fought back from major adversity this season and from large deficits the past two weeks.
“He has his fingerprints all over this team,” defensive end Cam Heyward said. “Those comments were just reckless. They were stupid and didn’t need to be said. I hope this win reminds everybody how good of a coach we have.”
I would like to think so, too. But we both know better.
Joe Starkey: jstarkey@post-gazette.com and Twitter @joestarkey1. Joe Starkey can be heard on the “Starkey and Mueller” show weekdays from 2-6 p.m. on 93.7 The Fan.
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Hell, I respect Tomlin. Think he's an above average coach and will defend him if I disagree with a poster's opinion. All that said, I admit that during that losing streak, I questioned whether maybe his time here was done. Messages get stale. Results falter. Sometimes through no fault of the coach (other times definitely the coach is at fault). I'm pretty happy with the way things turned out. I'll be happier with a nice looooong playoff run ...the longest would be great
Yes! An Archer sighting
Well **** ... I guess Starkey of all people just answered the perennial question posed by some around here ... "What does Tomlin do well?" ... Just point them to the Starkey article from now on.
Also, somebody on here (*cough* Coach *cough*) keeps saying that Tomlin doesn't "teach" or "discuss" things with the players. I guess all those Defensive players and Foster are liars. Not to mention Ben, who has said numerous times that Tomlin discusses strategy and game plan issues with him.
Also, somebody on here (*cough* Coach *cough*) keeps saying that Tomlin doesn't "teach" or "discuss" things with the players. I guess all those Defensive players and Foster are liars. Not to mention Ben, who has said numerous times that Tomlin discusses strategy and game plan issues with him.
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You are correct in your comments about the clock bleeding down while the Rats had the ball. You are also correct that Tomlin insists on keeping at least 1 timeout for his offense - though the offensive team can stop the clock by stepping out of bounds or with an incomplete pass, while the only way the defense can stop the clock is with a timeout.
I also saw the clock grinding down and knew that with their 2 TO's remaining, the Rats had enough time to run 8-10 plays. The clock was not their enemy at that point - the yardage was.
It would have been good strategy to use one of the TO's on defense, to keep 1:50 on the clock for the offense.
Oh, and it's also a good idea not to have to blow a timeout after a long-gainer on offense, simply because the team takes forever getting down the field for the next play and the play clock runs out. Ben using that TO after Rogers' big gain was not optimal.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...radshaw-with-a-hollywood-henderson-reference/
Tomlin should have ignored him. Now he has a media feud going on with Terry. Unwise, even if he's right, people will take sides and the media types tend to get in the last words. Not very impressed here with either man.
I wouldn't expect anything else or less from you.. he was asked a question and he answered it. And did it with grace by saying he isn't a great coach..his resume is not finished..but he felt it was disrespectful and gave a Bradshaw a nice little jab. Well done
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I agree. He didn't even use Bradshaw's name.. he named his favorite team growing up and a player, he let media run with it however they'd like. I'm sure Tomlin won't address it again though.