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The more I think about TB, **** him.
That mother ****** was my hero growing up. He is the reason I'm a Steeler fan.
For him to constantly snub this organization after it made him who he is, **** that **********.
 
Steel Vanguard said:
How do you define "better"?

They have the same record in the Superbowl, 1-1. and Tomlin has a better winning percentage .642 vs .623

You just don't like the guy. Your opinion isn't based on football.
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Tomlin has had Ben his time here. Look what Cowher had.
 
Steeler said:
Tomlin has had Ben his time here. Look what Cowher had.
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Yes, lets look at it. Lets look at some of those defenses he had and the fact that you could win a SB in his era without a great QB (Dilfer/Johnson/Hostetler).

Fact is, Cowher had opportunities and blew some of them. Had good teams and couldn't finish with them. Notably against the Cowboys in '95.

Ben played pretty horribly in the SB he won under Cowher, too. He was not the reason we won.

Now compare Ben's performances under Tomlin. Under Haley, who was hired by Tomlin. He's a far better QB under Tomlin than he ever was for Cowher.
 
Of course he is a better QB now. That's called experience, not Tomlins coaching.
 
Steeler said:
Tomlin has had Ben his time here. Look what Cowher had.
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One of the complaints during the Cowher/Stewart years was that there were BETTER free agent QBs available than what Cowher chose to bring in. Cowher COULD have brought in better than Tomczak and Graham . The fact of the matter is that Cowher attempted to coddle Stewart by not bringing in any real competition for the QB job after O'Donnell sabotaged the Super Bowl and ran to hide in New Jersey. He chose to roll with Stewart, Tomczak and Graham and in doing so, wasted the prime years of a helluva good defense by teaming them with an offense that could have been better with less erratic QB play. It's to Cowher's credit that he was able to get as much as he did out of those teams. It's a hit to his legacy that he chose to make it that way.
Hell, 1 year of Jeff George might have put him over the hump for another Super Bowl. I know the guy was a head case, but he was better than what was brought in.
 
Steel Vanguard said:
How do you define "better"?

They have the same record in the Superbowl, 1-1. and Tomlin has a better winning percentage .642 vs .623

You just don't like the guy. Your opinion isn't based on football.
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Cowher didn't constantly lose to inferior opponents. BTW you really can't compare Ben's time with both coaches, as Bill wasn't around long after Ben came around.

Also Tomlin won off of Bill's coat-tail. To get the edge he will need to win one with his own teams players. The ones he helped bring aboard.
 
Steeler said:
Of course he is a better QB now. That's called experience, not Tomlins coaching.
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Kordell Stewart got a lot of experience ...
So did Bubby Brister ...
How'd that work out for them or us?
 
Steeler said:
Of course he is a better QB now. That's called experience, not Tomlins coaching.
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Oh really? QBs just get better with time? Do you not know the story of Matt Casell? Or Derek Anderson? Or Matt Flynn? Or the 50 other one-hit-wonder QBs this league has seen over the years?

Ever heard of Rick Mirer? Probably not. He proves your argument to be false. Go look him up.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Kordell Stewart got a lot of experience ...
So did Bubby Brister ...
How'd that work out for them or us?
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Tomlin should get the credit for Ben even though he won a SB before him?

that is rich
 
slashsteel said:
Tomlin should get the credit for Ben even though he won a SB before him?

that is rich
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Wait ... wait ... wait ... Did I write what you're saying I wrote?
Nope. But, I did write a post to show that more than "experience" is needed for a QB to succeed.
 
slashsteel said:
Cowher didn't constantly lose to inferior opponents. .
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You just **** on your own argument. In his last year, you know the one where he handed off a supposedly Super Bowl ready team that went 8-8 over to Tomlin, Cowher lost to the Jags, Bengals, Falcons and Raiders. None of whom had a winning record, including a 2-14 mark set by Oakland.

You clearly have foggy memory of Cowher's record.
 
Steel Vanguard said:
You just **** on your own argument. In his last year, you know the one where he handed off a supposedly Super Bowl ready team that went 8-8 over to Tomlin, Cowher lost to the Jags, Bengals, Falcons and Raiders. None of whom had a winning record, including a 2-14 mark set by Oakland.

You clearly have foggy memory of Cowher's record.
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You mean the year his wife was dying of cancer?
 
There have been a lot of great POINTS made both Pro & Con. One of the things that might seperate the two is in Cowher era football you needed all three facets of the game to win consistantly. In Tomlin's era it is so GEARED towards the offense you don't need as good a "D": to win. So respectfully Tomlin's OFFENSE is better than anything Cowher ever put together as to Cowher's DEFENSE was better than anything Tomlin ever put together. ALSO, Tomlin hasn't had to face the CHEATING CHEATRIOTS before they were exposed. At the time no one knew the extent of the cheating so thus less prepared. Good Coach or average coach, he is OUR coach and we have to take him as is. LIKE IT OR NOT.



Salute the nation
 
DBS1970 said:
You mean the year his wife was dying of cancer?
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yeah that should be held against Cowher a short body of work, his last year. this guy....

a one year compared to every year playing down to inferior teams. Yeah I am the one with a foggy memory. lulz
 
Steel Vanguard said:
Holy ****, now we're making Cowher's career about CANCER?

Come on. Just...

COME THE **** ON!
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his last year was about that son, perhaps you should do your homework
 
slashsteel said:
Cowher didn't constantly lose to inferior opponents. BTW you really can't compare Ben's time with both coaches, as Bill wasn't around long after Ben came around.

Also Tomlin won off of Bill's coat-tail. To get the edge he will need to win one with his own teams players. The ones he helped bring aboard.
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That 1994 Championship game loss to an inferior Chargers team was unforgivable.
 
Steelerddan said:
That 1994 Championship game loss to an inferior Chargers team was unforgivable.
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wasn't Neil O'Donnell the QB then?

a lot of difference between him and a elite franchise QB
 
SteelBuckeye said:
One of the complaints during the Cowher/Stewart years was that there were BETTER free agent QBs available than what Cowher chose to bring in. Cowher COULD have brought in better than Tomczak and Graham . The fact of the matter is that Cowher attempted to coddle Stewart by not bringing in any real competition for the QB job after O'Donnell sabotaged the Super Bowl and ran to hide in New Jersey. He chose to roll with Stewart, Tomczak and Graham and in doing so, wasted the prime years of a helluva good defense by teaming them with an offense that could have been better with less erratic QB play. It's to Cowher's credit that he was able to get as much as he did out of those teams. It's a hit to his legacy that he chose to make it that way.
Hell, 1 year of Jeff George might have put him over the hump for another Super Bowl. I know the guy was a head case, but he was better than what was brought in.
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When have you EVER seen the Rooneys go after a big league free agent. I have been a steeler fan for close to FIFTY years and I don't remember one, I do however remember losing some pretty damn good player in free agency because of the Rooneus being so damn cheap
 
warriors42 said:
When have you EVER seen the Rooneys go after a big league free agent. I have been a steeler fan for close to FIFTY years and I don't remember one, I do however remember losing some pretty damn good player in free agency because of the Rooneus being so damn cheap
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Bettis thru a trade? Farrior?Clark?Kevin Greene?
 
Cope said:
You mean the pro-bowl QB who was leading the league in completion percentage in 95?
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you mean the pro bowl QB that threw the game away against the Cowboys, ran off into free agency never to be considered good again?
 
warriors42 said:
When have you EVER seen the Rooneys go after a big league free agent. I have been a steeler fan for close to FIFTY years and I don't remember one, I do however remember losing some pretty damn good player in free agency because of the Rooneus being so damn cheap
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The Steelers are constantly right up against the cap because they pay their own. Sometimes they let some walk but I think they've proven to know what they're doing. They've only been wrong on a few players after they left. Woodson to name one.
 
Steelerfan81 said:
The Steelers are constantly right up against the cap because they pay their own. Sometimes they let some walk but I think they've proven to know what they're doing. They've only been wrong on a few players after they left. Woodson to name one.
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Chad Brown to name another.

But overall yes they kept their own.
 
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