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Both sides of the ball will be better this year. BUY or SELL ?

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This writing isn't to put a finger on a blame. More to see reasons why on both sides of the ball the Steelers have the ability to be better. Even if the record at the end of the year doesn't reflect it.

The inability to adjust last year, led to the teams downfall. Lev Bell would go out a play, in would come James Conner. James was deficient against blocking and in the pass game. Maybe he will improve, but that remains a unknown. Ridley although a ok runner wasn't used as a pass catcher. So arguably there is a drop-off when Bell sits as a blocker and as a pass catcher. Enter JaySam who in the very least should be an upgrade in the passing game. Provided he shines in training camp and into the season.

Martavis Bryant could at times take the top off of coverage and was a decent blocker. But he wasn't a great route runner. And his lack of burst showed in his overall lack of production. Enter Washington who should be a push as a blocker, and should show a better route tree once he gets his feet wet. Washington is also slot capable, and might even shine there. I think you simply can do more with him than Martavis. We will see if he is that down the field wide-out. His overall workman like approach and good hands give him a fighting chance.

Bostic provided he stays healthy should easily be an upgrade over Spence. Dirty Red should be able to provide run defense relief provided he stays healthy as well.

Mitchell, Golden, and Gay no longer will be a step slow on the field, or simply not physically matching up. Removing them from the roster and replacing them with better speed and ability should help in certain sub-packages. As Burnett is a upgrade,and ditto the rest although they will need to show they are assignment sound capable. They give me no reason to believe that in other phases of the game, that they won't upgrade over those three stooges.

One would think Sutton would push Burns, or in the very least find himself on the field on extra defensive back formations.

Tuitt , Davis, and Burns need to step their level of play up a notch, but there is better depth this year, along with some new coaches to push them in the right direction.

Team like any other year will need to stay relatively healthy. But with better depth, that should help with any short term losses.

So

both sides of the ball will be better this year. BUY or SELL ?

For me I am buying, but Bostic will force me to watch the stock at the position closely.
 
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I'm buying. I think Watt will be improved in a second year and Burnett and Edmunds will be used to improve 3rd down defense and get us off the field more often.

On offense JuJu will start the year where he left off 2017 and Washington will follow along JuJu's 2017 path. If he can stay healthy the big improvement can come from
MacDonald. I also see Connor and Samuels playing bigger roles with less dependence on Bell.
 
Injuries always swing this one way or the other. We also don't know if we will get a late signing like we did with Haden last year. We have the uncertainty of what will happen with Bell as well. As of now I'd say he's going to be back by week 1 but we can't be 100% sure.

We need to get through Latrobe and pre-season injury free.

For the offense they need to improve in short yardage and red zone situations.

For the defense they need to stop the ******* run and contain so much better.
 
Two great unknowns - 1) what effect will the new "no head first" rule have on the offense and the defense and 2) injuries. I'm not all that optimistic about the season so I'm a sell. It will be difficult to match 13 - 3 in any case.

I wasn't all that impressed with the offense last year - for an offense that was supposed to score 30 points a game we hit that mark only four times and three times didn't even score 20. I think the defense will be better if for no other reason than they would have a hard time being worse.
 
Defensively, we're having to replace two players - Shazier and Mitchell.

Replacing Shazier last season was applying a band-aid to a wound that needed to be stitched up. Though, to enter "real talk", our run defense wasn't all that good with Shazier on the field. Average at best, but not Cleveland-like. IMO, Bostic seems like a quicker version of Williams. More of a thumper, and somewhat serviceable in the pass game.

Now, if Edmunds picks up the defense and learns it so that it's second nature, we can move him into lineup quicker. I don't see any difference between a guy learning the system as a vet and one learning the system as a rookie. There will be mistakes either way. May be better to accept the learning pains of a rookie than delay them by playing a vet. Though against teams such as Jax, and run-first teams, Bostic may have more value.

I believe we'll be more athletic this year, with more interchangeable parts. But, this will all be predicated by the development of Hargraves up front. As we saw early last season, if he can't control the nose, we'll be gashed time and again in the run game. Hargraves, McCullers and Frazier should all enter camp as possible starters, IMO. I don't see one of them as being any better than the others. Which, at this point, means we have no NT.

Offensively, Washington should more than off-set any loss of Bryant. Brown, JuJu and Washington are similar in size and speed, so we could line them up anywhere. James seemed to come into his own last year, and is Heath-lite.

Hopefully Samuels can pass-protect when put in the game. If so, he and Bell would make a nice combo in the backfield.
 
Two great unknowns - 1) what effect will the new "no head first" rule have on the offense and the defense and 2) injuries. I'm not all that optimistic about the season so I'm a sell. It will be difficult to match 13 - 3 in any case.

I wasn't all that impressed with the offense last year - for an offense that was supposed to score 30 points a game we hit that mark only four times and three times didn't even score 20. I think the defense will be better if for no other reason than they would have a hard time being worse.

This is why I am buying. The defense will *definitely* be better with growth from young players and free agents filling a couple huge holes. The offense might not be better "on paper" but they underachieved in the first half of the year something serious. They will perform better, I am pretty sure of that. Especially since MB never really came back to form, and Washington could easily replicate the production he had last year (although not the physical talent). And Samuels is a very interesting weapon that I think might add a whole new dimension to the offense.

But to your point, 13-3 will be very hard to replicate. It's plausible that the offense is better, the defense is better, but the record isn't better. We should still be in the playoffs and I would think make a run there.
 
Looks like we play a decent amount of good qbs. Not having Mitchell should be addition by subtraction, but not having shazier is definitely going to hurt. Mitchell and Shazier will be replaced with scrubs or rookies which will make it tough. The offense will probably be worse with a disgruntled bell and no bryant. The D could improve but it will require removing the 2DL packages and having players step up. At this point i would sell
 
Hargraves, McCullers and Frazier should all enter camp as possible starters, IMO. I don't see one of them as being any better than the others. Which, at this point, means we have no NT..

Hargraves is way better than the other two at that current position. And the true NT is an obsolete position.
 
Is this a joke?

A joke would be perhaps only giving one option, or coming into a thread and not giving a opinion. But throwing out a one liner, because you have nothing to add.

Some might see that as a joke.

hi
 
. Mitchell and Shazier will be replaced with scrubs or rookies which will make it tough. would sell

Both are to be replaced by players who were starters in the league last year. Both leaders on the field.

James seemed to come into his own last year, and is Heath-lite.
I disagree. Mcdonald to me had the better progression of play and played better. I'm speaking from opinion,, ill have to check my facts. James is the player that needs pushed in camp.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/15853/vance-mcdonald

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/2979590/jesse-james

I was/am wrong I think maybe. Mcdonald had a good September and I guess that's what I remember most. He only played 10 games vs James 16

I'm not sure that I'm wrong. But James had better stats over all. But if you compare the December month played in the split stats.. Mcdonald did much better that month.
 
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The only thing holding back McDonald is health. He's the best blocker and receiver we have at the TE position.

Our biggest deficiency on O was Red Zone TDs. Bryant should have been a RZ threat, but was not. We got production from our TEs, RBs, and Brown with some JuJu thrown in. I hope Washington can help or Hunter, since both have shown the ability to be threats to do so. I think Samuels will be a wildcard here, and man, if the Steelers use him right, we're going to be pretty tough to stop inside the 10.

The biggest thing that can fix our RZ offense though would be personnel decisions and better play calling, getting the best players on the field, with the best play called, giving them the best chance to score, would be ideal. I'm hoping Haley leaving is addition by subtraction in this area of the offense.

On D, I think we will improve from last year. Carrying a new scheme utilizing a moneybacker will be interesting to see, and hopefully be disruptive and lead to TOs. Last year, that was our D. Play for TOs. When Shazier was in, we got them. When he was out, we didn't. The league is tilted against the D. Good Os will move the ball at will. If you can get some TOs, you will win the game.

So in closing I think on D, it's an improvement from the end of the season, but may be a push from when Shazier was playing. I'd take that as a net positive.
 
And Mitchell could have been replaced by a traffic cone and we'd be the same. A traffic cone has less of a chance of tripping another defensive player trying to not make a downfield tackle...
 
Problem is, you don't just "replace" Shazier. He's a rare talent and while VE or Evans may have come close, Bostic will be serviceable and is a communicator, which was one of the biggest things they lost in Shazier, aside from his speed. On top of that, they didn't just blow up their safety group and start over. They planned and targeted well, having brought in another "communicator" in Burnett, upgraded over Golden with Behre, and the two drafted safetys sound better every day with the amount of nickel and dime the unit is playing these days. I'm optimistic about the D this year. Not gonna be top 5, but they could be top 10.

On offence, Washington will be > Bryant. McDonald will excell with a camp under his belt, and the RB group is sounding like its upgraded with Samuels.

I'll take the Buy.
 
A joke would be perhaps only giving one option, or coming into a thread and not giving a opinion. But throwing out a one liner, because you have nothing to add.

Some might see that as a joke.

hi
Suggesting that the defense has a shot at being better than the offense this year is a joke.
 
Suggesting that the defense has a shot at being better than the offense this year is a joke.
Who suggested that? Pretty sure that is not what the topic was about. Do not pass go do not collect any green backs. Go directly to jail.

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I like the proposed direction they are trying to take with the defense. Should be a much faster defense..i would go all in at first in training camp and see just how many Safeties i can play and still be effective vs the run. Play heyward hargrave and tuitt with Watt and Dupree with 4 safeties(Burnett Edmunds Allen and davis) and burns and Haden. In known passing downs replace hargrave with hilton and one of the safeties with sutton. Be fast and Aggressive
 
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