Bill Belichick. His secret sauce

[SteelersFANinMA]

His teams colors are Red, White and Blue and their name is the Patriots.

 

[Steel G]

Reality it is a combination of everything mentioned.

But if you think cheating isn't a part of it, I have some swamp land to sell yinz.............

Exactly. The best coaches from when there was no free agency couldn't sustain like they do. And we are supposed to believe that this guy and his group of midget wrs, cast offs, unwanteds, and sometimes backup QBs wins at least 11 games every year and make the SB 7 out of 15 times? Right. Not Lombardi, Landry, Noll, Walsh, Parcells, or Shula. But this Browns loser can keep it up, ok, sure. It's the biggest scam in sports.

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[Punxsutawney]

Belichick is like a mad scientist in that he pushes the barriers of integrity within his profession, but his knowledge and command of his science is ridiculously high.

He's a master chess player amid a field of checker players, no doubt.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Exactly. The best coaches from when there was no free agency couldn't sustain like they do. And we are supposed to believe that this guy and his group of midget wrs, cast offs, unwanteds, and sometimes backup QBs wins at least 11 games every year and make the SB 7 out of 15 times? Right. Not Lombardi, Landry, Noll, Walsh, Parcells, or Shula. But this Browns loser can keep it up, ok, sure. It's the biggest scam in sports.

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Yeah, but what caliber of competition did all those coaches face?

It's a watered down league now.

Merely having a great QB and great defensive strategist as a HC can go a long way now, especially if one plays in a pathetic division year after year.

 

[SteelerFan448]

The Patriots don't have a bunch of stars, but that team knows their assignments inside and out. If they don't, they're gone. Rumors were that Collins began to freelance and that was one of the reasons they traded him. New England drafts marginal talent that is forced to work hard, buy into a system and know the playbook inside and out. Again, if they aren't up to the task, they're cut or traded. Not any coach could do this because it's not a pleasant place to play, but they win enough titles that it is worth it for players.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Exactly. The best coaches from when there was no free agency couldn't sustain like they do. And we are supposed to believe that this guy and his group of midget wrs, cast offs, unwanteds, and sometimes backup QBs wins at least 11 games every year and make the SB 7 out of 15 times? Right. Not Lombardi, Landry, Noll, Walsh, Parcells, or Shula. But this Browns loser can keep it up, ok, sure. It's the biggest scam in sports.

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I don't buy it either. It lands waaaaaay outside the normal range of plausible statistics. I've watched some great dynasties over the years and these guys just don't fit at all. It looks like bullshit,smells like bullshit,acts like bullshit...then it's bullshit. Just drafting late year after year will get a team to down trend nowadays.I'm at the point of being suspect of everything league wide. Maybe it's just me. It's all starting to look rather fraudulent. I'm pretty close to just turning it all off for good. Hell you can't even hit someone hard without it being a flag. Everything I ever loved about the game is dead. It's been replaced with a bunch of nonsense.

Looks like the pats**** have 67.8 million in cap space too. 5th in the league. The Steelers are at 13th.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Ernie Adam's jizz. that is his secret sauce. Bill is the curtain smoke and mirrors, Ernie is the brains behind the curtain.

Bill is Pinky, Ernie is the Brain they will do this year what they do every year try to take over the NFL.

 

[MT~Forged]

I have heard I don't know how many times, If you aren't bending the rules you really don't want to win.

While the *ats are sure to be still cheating, Bellicheat runs that show like no other. You get with it or you can go down the line. What I don't understand is how after all the cuts/trades NOBODY has come forward with a smoking gun.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I have heard I don't know how many times, If you aren't bending the rules you really don't want to win.

While the *ats are sure to be still cheating, Bellicheat runs that show like no other. You get with it or you can go down the line. What I don't understand is how after all the cuts/trades NOBODY has come forward with a smoking gun.

I've wondered how much other people besides Belicheat, Br*dy, and Ernie Adams really know, or how much they let them know. We've talked about this before but as good as the Pats**** are every year, isn't it kind of strange that his assistants and coordinators never seem to come close to that level of success when they go elsewhere? You'd think they'd learn something....unless they don't learn anything because they're not told anything.

 

[ianv2012]

I've wondered how much other people besides Belicheat, Br*dy, and Ernie Adams really know, or how much they let them know. We've talked about this before but as good as the Pats**** are every year, isn't it kind of strange that his assistants and coordinators never seem to come close to that level of success when they go elsewhere? You'd think they'd learn something....unless they don't learn anything because they're not told anything.

This has been one of my many arguments against those who say the cheating either wasn't significant enough to help them, or was over exaggerated. I would think if bellicheat is such a genius that it would rub off on his staff, but instead they end up coaching like he did in Cleveland, coincidence? Immensely suspect.

 

[Steel G]

Yeah, but what caliber of competition did all those coaches face?

It's a watered down league now.

Merely having a great QB and great defensive strategist as a HC can go a long way now, especially if one plays in a pathetic division year after year.

It was a lot easier to keep a good team together for longer periods of time back then. Yet this guy in a "watered down" league can keep finding the best guys to run his system time and time again? Your argument kind of makes it more obvious.

 

[Punxsutawney]

It was a lot easier to keep a good team together for longer periods of time back then. Yet this guy in a "watered down" league can keep finding the best guys to run his system time and time again? Your argument kind of makes it more obvious.

Actually, it enhances my argument, given how the gap between the best and worst teams is a narrow as it's ever been. Belichick's attention to detail is HUGE on a year to year basis.

Under Belichick, the Patriots have been absolutely destroyed in some big games in the post season, but they keep chugging along from season to season.

Also, that QB of theirs is pretty ******* good.

I personally do not like Belichick, as I think he is a pompous, condescending ******* who deliberately looks for holes in the rules to exploit, but I also believe he knows the rules thoroughly enough to both exploit them and enhance his team's ability to compete.

Again, it's chess and checkers.

Watching that game Sunday night, I could not help but think Belichick was thinking what will happen three plays from now, while Tomlin was desperately trying to comprehend what happened three plays ago.

 

[AggieSteel]

It was a lot easier to keep a good team together for longer periods of time back then. Yet this guy in a "watered down" league can keep finding the best guys to run his system time and time again? Your argument kind of makes it more obvious.

Yep how has Charlie Weis' "decided schematic advantage" worked out for him everywhere else? Lmao kinda hard when the real advantages are being created elsewhere with you none the wiser..

 

[Slash#10]

There are a ton of factors that play into account for their team accomplishments. Not all of them are in Belichick control. Consider how many coaches changes have gone on in their division since he has been the NE HC. Dolphins, Bills, and Jets have not been consistently competitive to challenge NE. Compare that to our division. Since Belichick has been HC Steelers and Ravens have had 2 HC and Bengals only 1 and those 3 teams have rotated AFC North Championships.

Now if you consistently get an automatic playoff bid year after year because you are winning your division than honestly your focus, attention and goals shift more towards being successful in the playoffs. Versus being concerned by challenges of trying to climb out of your own division. That is a huge under rated advantage NE and Belichick have over most teams in the NFL.

When it comes to what he does have control over, Belichick has a literal life time experience at this job, because his daddy was a coach and scout. This has been his entire career and that's another advantage. Where his opponents are learning how to manage a situation he can probably just reflect on a past experience and operate from that position.

Additionally outside of Gronk, his personnel are mainly contributors with an elite talent but not star famed egos. They typically fail in line and it works because they are winning and it comes easy most of the time. All the cast offs with troubles all the way back to Corey Dillon start acting correct because of winning. You think Blount would be this model citizen had he signed with Browns after leaving the Steelers?

Lastly, Belichick does change defensive and offensive attacks and strategies from week to week. Last season or 2 seasons ago he had some unknown RB score like 4 TDS and ridiculous about of yards vs Colts I think. They went from a vertical threat offense when they had Moss, to a 2 TE personnel offense (Hernandez and Gronk) drafting both in same draft if memory serves correctly, to then a death by a thousand paper cuts offense, and than can go lightening 'n thunder rushing attack. The defense switch it's fronts so often. They play such a variety of techniques it's very challenging to prepare for.

My 3 cents

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[slashsteel]

I've wondered how much other people besides Belicheat, Br*dy, and Ernie Adams really know, or how much they let them know. We've talked about this before but as good as the Pats**** are every year, isn't it kind of strange that his assistants and coordinators never seem to come close to that level of success when they go elsewhere? You'd think they'd learn something....unless they don't learn anything because they're not told anything.

Nobody outside Bill and Ernie need to know.

As then Bill can easily pass it off as film study, instead of it being signal study.


That cat cheated after being caught. So for anyone to believe with just the slap on the wrist he stopped is ridiculous. Especially with the things that have been witnessed.


NO that cat is still cheating, now he knows he just has to be sneakier at it.

I am sure he is a solid coach, but the extra **** can't ever be forgotten.

 

[ianv2012]

Nobody outside Bill and Ernie need to know.

As then Bill can easily pass it off as film study, instead of it being signal study.


That cat cheated after being caught. So for anyone to believe with just the slap on the wrist he stopped is ridiculous. Especially with the things that have been witnessed.


NO that cat is still cheating, now he knows he just has to be sneakier at it.

I am sure he is a solid coach, but the extra **** can't ever be forgotten.

Well we'll never truly know will we

 

[wig]

Oh, the P*ts cheat alright. It's in their DNA.

But that game on Sunday was ALL on Tomlin and Butler and a bit on Haley. That defensive gameplan allowed the P*ts to not even bother ******* cheating. I mean that was such an abhorrent gameplan that Brady probably came in his pants 4 times before the end of the 2nd quarter.

I still can't comprehend why or how they thought that defense could begin to be effective. I'll say this much. The Steelers have done the NFL an invaluable service over the last 10 or so years. They have definitively shown the league how not to defend the P*triots. Pretty much all any team needs to do is watch game film of the P*ts - Steelers games and do exactly the opposite of what Tomlin has the Steelers do and you would have a better shot at being competitive.

I expect the Rooney's will be getting gift baskets any time now.

 

[madinsomniac]

http://nypost.com/2017/01/30/scientists-tom-bradys-diet-is-total-bs/

I have always suspected that Tom Brady abuses steroids or some other way to make him suddenly go from what he was to where he is now. Here is yet another call that his diet excuse is bullcrap.... he was losing arm strength 4 years ago now has more than ever... its suspicious at best

 

[ark steel]

http://nypost.com/2017/01/30/scientists-tom-bradys-diet-is-total-bs/

I have always suspected that Tom Brady abuses steroids or some other way to make him suddenly go from what he was to where he is now. Here is yet another call that his diet excuse is bullcrap.... he was losing arm strength 4 years ago now has more than ever... its suspicious at best

from the article

Brady limits himself to the occasional banana

doesn't sound believable....

 

[Steelerfreak]

Here is what I've been puzzled over most recently with Obiwan...

So much is brought up about changing schemes and plans from week to week.

This is the NFL where the gap between players is as close as can be , and he takes "nobody's" and changes their roles from week to week, and their technique is never beaten? Never exposed? I'm talking about the minuscule technique that guys develop over years to make themselves the elite, his guys just snap their fingers and can do it?! With 90% accuracy?!

I think back to Troy Brown. He was Brady's original 1 receiver, and bill throws him in at CB and the guy start getting picks?

I know Brady makes up for a lot, but just doesn't seem like that success can be organic.



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[SteelerSask2]

My belief is they have a system between Adams, Belichick and Brady where they are just one step ahead. It isn't one it's three. Adams gives the info from above to Belichick who puts them in the best possible situation and Brady makes the final sight adjustment. Adams has the photo memory so he has studied what you do and knows what most likely will happen. I think at this point it is more of a system with the savant in the booth then direct cheating.

 

[SteelerSask2]

What I always come back to with the Patriots is this. Show me one team in sports history that has won like this with middle of the pack talent outside of one guy. Even basketball which can be heavily dominated by one player. Jordan had Pippin, Jabbar had Magic and Bird had Parish/McAle. The Pats don't even really look for star offensive players
They look for parts that fit and can speak the same language that they use so they are in the right spot. Only way to beat them is to really dumb it down and win the one on one's consistently. On paper Atlanta should destroy them but sadly won't.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

What I always come back to with the Patriots is this. Show me one team in sports history that has won like this with middle of the pack talent outside of one guy. Even basketball which can be heavily dominated by one player. Jordan had Pippin, Jabbar had Magic and Bird had Parish/McAle. The Pats don't even really look for star offensive players
They look for parts that fit and can speak the same language that they use so they are in the right spot. Only way to beat them is to really dumb it down and win the one on one's consistently. On paper Atlanta should destroy them but sadly won't.

That's the thing, the Pats**** play good fundamentals, smart football, and rarely make mistakes. Like on third-and-one Belicheat isn't going to air it out downfield to the WR with broken fingers.

 

[slashsteel]

I bet if you threw a lie detector up on Billacheat some would be surprised at what he still is doing.

Not me. Too many reports for me to think they magically stopped even slightly.

Combine that with how the NFL slobs over them despite their history is enough for me not to watch anything attached to the Pats, outside of the Steelers.

 

[insaniti]

#3 is worth its weight in gold. Brown's endless antics - end zone dances that draw a penalty, Facebooking in the locker room after a game - are a distraction and I wonder how long Belichick would have put up with it. Sometimes you just know they won't so you don't do it. Same thing with Bell with his suspension and now this injury brouhaha. I don't know what Jamie Collins did to deserve it but trading a good player to the Browns had to get the attention of the rest of the team.

This is a joke right? Care to tell me who was in the car WITH Bell? Care to tell me what team he currently plays for, and what team IMMEDIATELY scooped him up once we cut him?