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Did I miss the thread about the Big 12 potentially being no more, or is there a college sub-forum? I hear Kentucky is lobbying hard for Kansas to join the SEC, but basketball wouldn't be welcomed.
 
I almost started this over the weekend

The Big 12 is dead without UT and OU

Here comes all the realignment discussions.

I hope at the end of it UH gets a seat at the table, possibly in the PAC 12
 
I don't keep up with any of this stuff, and have no idea how any of the conference stuff works, but I was surprised when I saw some headlines the other day about Oklahoma and Texas potentially joining the SEC. I checked the board and didn't see anything. Kentucky might want some of Texas.
 
College football keeps getting worse. It’s all about the students, the pageantry, and the rivalries. Instead they make it only about the money.
 
this was bound to happen as soon as players started getting paid. I mentioned in previous threads that this is going to end up with about 15 - 20 schools dominating and the rest will be like minor league.

sure, you could say it's always been like that but the difference is that lower tier teams always had the unexpected great years. Every year there are surprise teams like Boise, Central Florida, Coastal Carolina, etc. But now that will become nearly impossible. Those teams happened because good coaches could develop players for years and every so often they get a veteran heavy squad with a couple of great payers sprinkled in.

Now that won't happen. Now a guy has a big freshman year at Tulsa and next year he's getting paid at Oklahoma.

I really think this is what ESPN wants. They would much rather have college football essentially be reduced to about 30-40 teams that they could cover and control more easily.

The remaining Big 12 teams are ******. I guess they will have to scramble to merge with BYU and Mountain West. I don't think the BIg 10 or Pac 12 would be interested in any of them.

Texas A&M must be pissed. All they had to offer over Texas was SEC. Now they are back to second tier. SEC fans may be careful what you wish for with Texas. If the era of paying players goes like many think then nobody has more money than Texas coupled with boosters who are hungry to pay for wins.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
this was bound to happen as soon as players started getting paid. I mentioned in previous threads that this is going to end up with about 15 - 20 schools dominating and the rest will be like minor league.

sure, you could say it's always been like that but the difference is that lower tier teams always had the unexpected great years. Every year there are surprise teams like Boise, Central Florida, Coastal Carolina, etc. But now that will become nearly impossible. Those teams happened because good coaches could develop players for years and every so often they get a veteran heavy squad with a couple of great payers sprinkled in.

Now that won't happen. Now a guy has a big freshman year at Tulsa and next year he's getting paid at Oklahoma.

I really think this is what ESPN wants. They would much rather have college football essentially be reduced to about 30-40 teams that they could cover and control more easily.

The remaining Big 12 teams are ******. I guess they will have to scramble to merge with BYU and Mountain West. I don't think the BIg 10 or Pac 12 would be interested in any of them.

Texas A&M must be pissed. All they had to offer over Texas was SEC. Now they are back to second tier. SEC fans may be careful what you wish for with Texas. If the era of paying players goes like many think then nobody has more money than Texas coupled with boosters who are hungry to pay for wins.
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I would imagine Texas lost a ton of good football players over the years just because they wanted to go to an SEC team for better exposure/competition. With Texas in the SEC, those guys can now stay home AND get paid big money. Might turn the tide on their on the field product. This has to be the genesis of 2 or 3 Super Conferences. Does Clemson, Miami and Florida State stay in the ACC? How does this affect the Big Ten....is it strong enough now to keep Ohio State? Pulling in a team like Kansas helps basketball but their football is meh. Does Notre Dame finally go to a conference? Crazy scenarios.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
I would imagine Texas lost a ton of good football players over the years just because they wanted to go to an SEC team for better exposure/competition. With Texas in the SEC, those guys can now stay home AND get paid big money. Might turn the tide on their on the field product. This has to be the genesis of 2 or 3 Super Conferences. Does Clemson, Miami and Florida State stay in the ACC? How does this affect the Big Ten....is it strong enough now to keep Ohio State? Pulling in a team like Kansas helps basketball but their football is meh. Does Notre Dame finally go to a conference? Crazy scenarios.
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tOSU leaving the B1G? Now that's an outcome I wouldn't have thought of. The B1G making a push for OK. State, some of the ACC teams, some of the PAC-12 teams, or a mixture of all of these to create a "National Super Conference" is one of the things I'm seeing bandied about on the interweb.
 
Here's a good discussion on expansion possibilities. First half is about conferences and contract issues. Last half is about PSU recruiting. Donald Driver's son is expected to pick PSU later this week.

 
I hope the Big 12 dissolves. I'd like to see WVU playing close to home again: Pitt, Penn State, Va Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, etc.
 
JMM said:
I hope the Big 12 dissolves. I'd like to see WVU playing close to home again: Pitt, Penn State, Va Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, etc.
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they are done, the only question is where the other teams go
 
SteelerFan448 said:
College football keeps getting worse. It’s all about the students, the pageantry, and the rivalries. Instead they make it only about the money.
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TOTALLY agree but the NFL has been doing this for EVER. The game of football is no longer the game but is the game of the greenback..




Salute the nation
 
Maybe they go to two super conferences of twenty teams like Tape mentioned? They could at that point emulate the NFL and use the bowl games as playoffs to the ultimate championship game between the two conferences? I think that would be pretty interesting.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
Maybe they go to two super conferences of twenty teams like Tape mentioned? They could at that point emulate the NFL and use the bowl games as playoffs to the ultimate championship game between the two conferences? I think that would be pretty interesting.
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Better with four big conferences, 4 Conference Champs with the next best 8 teams after that. The 4 champs get a first round bye.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
Maybe they go to two super conferences of twenty teams like Tape mentioned? They could at that point emulate the NFL and use the bowl games as playoffs to the ultimate championship game between the two conferences? I think that would be pretty interesting.
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They've got to ditch this idea of bowl games as playoffs. Way too much traveling for fans. Give the higher seed the home game and play the title game at a neutral location.
 
so now the Big 12 is mad at ESPN, reports are they blame ESPN for conspiring with the SEC to take UT and OU and with the AAC to take 3-5 schools when the BIG 12 collapses or sooner to make the league collapse so UT and OU can leave without the huge penalties
 
CoolieMan said:
so now the Big 12 is mad at ESPN, reports are they blame ESPN for conspiring with the SEC to take UT and OU and with the AAC to take 3-5 schools when the BIG 12 collapses or sooner to make the league collapse so UT and OU can leave without the huge penalties
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ESPN basically owns college football so I completely buy in that ESPN is helping to facilitate this next round of moves. They just acquired the marquee SEC game from CBS and I saw they had the contract with the AAC and apparently are trying to get Big 12 teams to leave and go to that conference.
 
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