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[Coryea]

Wheaton shouldn't even be mentioned in the terms of people associated with this cluster ****. He and Bell were the only ones on offense who seemed ready to play at a consistent level.

Wheaton has done fine, i'm not putting him down, just saying we have a rookie in the slot and a guy making his 2nd start on O, Wheaton had a drop and ran the wrong route last night, to be expected and not the reason we lost.
We have no deep threat, and when the field shrinks in the red zone these damn screens to the wr's don't work, and we don't use heath as a target in the redzone for some reason

 

[Coryea]

Yeah, nothing is ever ol' Bennie's fault, - on or off the field.

I guess you decided to not read the part where I said Ben had a bad game? Just sick of hearing Brady or Rodger, blah, blah, blah. How many one and dones has Rodgers had in the playoffs? Brady had a bad game last week too, and hasn't won anything without a top defense, and there's that cheating thing.*

 

[antdrewjosh]

He missed a wide uopen Justin Brown. After that I'd fail to see where he was so bad. I'm not saying he played lights out, but the playcalling was terrible. There was no rhythm and they were constantly in third and long.

Yeah, put Fucko behind that Steelers line and see how great he is. Throw it up an pray for PI. **** the overrated pile of ****.

I guess you decided to not read the part where I said Ben had a bad game? Just sick of hearing Brady or Rodger, blah, blah, blah. How many one and dones has Rodgers had in the playoffs? Brady had a bad game last week too, and hasn't won anything without a top defense, and there's that cheating thing.*

When I refer to Rogers and the rest I mean those lights out run of games of insane stats. Those unstoppable streaks of games. When has Ben done that? Cause we need it right now til this defense finds its way. He is our best player he cant have games like last nite. He has to carry us. We all knew that.

 

[Coryea]

When I refer to Rogers and the rest I mean those lights out run of games of insane stats. Those unstoppable streaks of games. When has Ben done that? Cause we need it right now til this defense finds its way. He is our best player he cant have games like last nite. He has to carry us. We all knew that.

When Tomlin gives him the keys to the car and let's him do it his way, that's what Brady, Manning, Rodgers all get to do. It doesn't matter if they are home, away, snow, rain, night, day, they can go no-huddle when they want, they can go shot gun when they want, they can go with 4wr's, or the bigs, or 2wr's 2te's when they want, Tomlin has never allowed that.

 

[antdrewjosh]

When Tomlin gives him the keys to the car and let's him do it his way, that's what Brady, Manning, Rodgers all get to do. It doesn't matter if they are home, away, snow, rain, night, day, they can go no-huddle when they want, they can go shot gun when they want, they can go with 4wr's, or the bigs, or 2wr's 2te's when they want, Tomlin has never allowed that.

We are in shotgun majority of the time this is Ben's offense. Has been for a couple of years now. We are a pass first team. Ben has to have monster games every week. Not every other week. Every week.

 

[Spike]

We didn't score the 30 pts necessary to win games like I said, that's on the offense.

But I have never been more embarrassed to be a Steelers fan watching that pathetically weak, soft defense.

 

[Coryea]

If this was Ben's offense there'd be alot more no-huddle and hurry up.

 

[Steelerz99]

No one gets a hall pass for that **** sandwich we all had to ingest. Ben made crucial mistakes, as did the OL, DL, DB's Coaching staff etc. I don't see the Ravens as having better talent across the board, but they were DEFINITELY the better prepared/coached team last night and that's a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[fogdoctor]

We didn't score the 30 pts necessary to win games like I said, that's on the offense.

But I have never been more embarrassed to be a Steelers fan watching that pathetically weak, soft defense.

I agree. Our D is the weak point of the team and there is no use complaining until we get better talent. We need 30+ pts / game.

 

[Coryea]

How many offenses average 30 points a game, especially with a rookie slot wr, 2nd year wr, and a pylon at RT? We are screwed.

 

[fogdoctor]

How many offenses average 30 points a game, especially with a rookie slot wr, 2nd year wr, and a pylon at RT? We are screwed.

Yup. I still say we can win 7 games though.

 

[thumbring]

I usually defend Ben because of the horrible OL play he's had to deal with for years now. But I must admit I'm getting tired of him missing easy throws in big situations. Missing Brown and Miller were both potentially big plays that might have turned momentum in that game. If the defense is going to suck, then more pressure falls on Ben to carry the team and he was certainly unable to do that last night.

He has to be better.

 

[Rod Farva]

Man. This is nuts... said in another thread, yeah, Ben had a ****** game. The week prior he had a very good one. He gets a pass from me for this stinkfest.....not because he wasn't a bug part of the problem but because there are so many much more glaring issues with this team that he's the last guy we need to look at imo.

 

[insaniti]

Yeah, put Fucko behind that Steelers line and see how great he is. Throw it up an pray for PI. **** the overrated pile of ****.

Flacco played behind a line very similar last year, you can see exactly how he played...not very well. The Ravens made some good moves and their line is much improved over last years.

Yeah the same Flacco who has managed to out play Ben the last couple of years. He missed Heath too. I expect better out of our best player. Those throws are potential game changers.

I think you need to look at last years stats again to see who out played who. Flacco had a better game yesterday, but he also didn't have ANY Steelers players anywhere near him as he threw.

When I refer to Rogers and the rest I mean those lights out run of games of insane stats. Those unstoppable streaks of games. When has Ben done that? Cause we need it right now til this defense finds its way. He is our best player he cant have games like last nite. He has to carry us. We all knew that.

When has Ben been given the green light to do that? They'll give him a drive or two of no huddle then go back to running our backs into the teeth of the defense. The ONLY runs to the outside last night were the reverses to the WR.

 

[blitzburghv5]

Man. This is nuts... said in another thread, yeah, Ben had a ****** game. The week prior he had a very good one. He gets a pass from me for this stinkfest.....not because he wasn't a bug part of the problem but because there are so many much more glaring issues with this team that he's the last guy we need to look at imo.

VS Clev he passed for almost 280 yds in a half....second half, he stunk..........last night, he stunk. Im more worried about HIM than defense....over time, theyll get better (we saw glimpses of them playing better especially comin out of the halftime break). Dallas is atrocious on defense, but Romo can keep em in striking distance (although hes dumpster fire waiting to happen by the last qtr)

 

[Steelerfan]

No one gets a hall pass for that **** sandwich we all had to ingest. Ben made crucial mistakes, as did the OL, DL, DB's Coaching staff etc. I don't see the Ravens as having better talent across the board, but they were DEFINITELY the better prepared/coached team last night and that's a bitter pill to swallow.

Well said.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

When your offense doesnt score a TD in the last 6 quarters- How do you not blame the QB?

I think that Ben is a great QB- but I think that the offense should be featuring more L.Bell than it has. 11 touches ain't gonna do it.

 

[Rod Farva]

VS Clev he passed for almost 280 yds in a half....second half, he stunk..........last night, he stunk. Im more worried about HIM than defense....over time, theyll get better (we saw glimpses of them playing better especially comin out of the halftime break). Dallas is atrocious on defense, but Romo can keep em in striking distance (although hes dumpster fire waiting to happen by the last qtr)

So Ben was on pace for over 500 yards passing vs Cleveland (who, let's face it, adjusted and came out hot in the 2nd and shut down AB). The D gave up 24 unanswered to a b/u QB missing his best receiver and starting RB and Ben bailed them out with a nice last minute drive but you're more concerned with him than the D? And Romo threw for like 280 total last week including 3 picks by the way.

The D might get better. With this secondary I don't see that happening soon. Ben has more than proven his worth....my biggest worry about him is that he stays healthy behind this sieve of an o line.

 

[antdrewjosh]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=pittsburgh-steelers&id=9013

Ben Roethlisberger has to elevate his play
 
By Scott Brown | September 12, 2014 2:12:34 AM PDT

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Ben Roethlisberger and the Pittsburgh offense were out of sync against the Ravens.
BALTIMORE -- The Pittsburgh Steelers, in spite of themselves, hung around on a sticky Thursday night at M&T Bank Stadium.

They trailed the Baltimore Ravens by just a touchdown, and the offense was on the move near the end of the first half when Ben Roethlisberger threw a pass that sailed over the head of 6-foot-5 tight end Heath Miller.

The Steelers punted instead of getting a fresh set of downs inside the Ravens’ 20-yard line.

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And that errant pass defined their dismal night as much as the three turnovers they committed and the nine penalties that also had coach Mike Tomlin fuming during a terse postgame news conference.

The Ravens beat the Steelers 26-6 at M&T Bank Stadium. What should be most troubling to Tomlin, who is 17-17 in his past 34 games, is that Pittsburgh has been outscored 50-9 in its past six quarters.

True, the defense may actually be worse at stopping the run than it was last season, which was considered an outlier. But the offense was expected to carry the defense until the young players got more experience and the new players got a grasp of the system.

Roethlisberger, after looking shaky in the second half of the Steelers' 30-27 win over the Browns, was pedestrian in his second start.

The 11th-year veteran completed 22 of 37 passes for 217 yards against the Ravens. He missed three open receivers when the outcome still hung in the balance.

Roethlisberger didn’t lose the game, but he didn’t come close to conjuring up some of the magic that he has before in Baltimore.

Four years ago, Roethlisberger played through a broken nose and late in the game he held off Terrell Suggs long enough to throw away a pass. The next play he threw for the game-winning touchdown. Two years before that, Roethlisberger led the Steelers on a 12-play, 92-yard touchdown drive in the fourth quarter to beat the Ravens.

Those games seem like they are from a bygone era.

And maybe they are with all of the turnover of personnel that has taken place since the Steelers played in three Super Bowls and won two of them from 2005-10.

Roethlisberger though is the one player who holds the Steelers together and gives them hope, and his wide receivers could have given him a little more help Thursday night.

Maybe Justin Brown was supposed to stop in the middle of the field on a third-down pass that Roethlisberger threw behind him in the second quarter. Maybe Markus Wheaton and even Pro Bowler Antonio Brown could have done a better job fighting for balls that Roethlisberger gave them a chance to catch.

But the reality is that Roethlisberger has to raise the level of play of everyone around him, not the other way around.

And he has to start with himself if the Steelers are to have any chance of returning to the playoffs after consecutive 8-8 seasons.

 

[Rod Farva]

Okay, you win.....cut the ******.

Ridiculous over reaction on my part......just as I think all this dumping on BR is. I've never liked the guy on a personal basis and definitely not a BR nuthugger....I see and acknowledge his short comings and flaws, but damn, man. I think it's a testament to his toughness, desire and ability that he's not in a frigging wheel chair by now, let alone being tasked with completely carrying a team that seems to be continually asking him to do more with less as he ages.

"Roethlisberger didn’t lose the game, but he didn’t come close to conjuring up some of the magic that he has before in Baltimore.

Four years ago, Roethlisberger played through a broken nose and late in the game he held off Terrell Suggs long enough to throw away a pass. The next play he threw for the game-winning touchdown. Two years before that, Roethlisberger led the Steelers on a 12-play, 92-yard touchdown drive in the fourth quarter to beat the Ravens."

One inconsistent game doesn't negate those accomplishments. And I believe he will achieve many more.....I just don't see him as one of the more pressing issues with this team.

 

[Coryea]

I don't think anyone is saying Ben had a good game, but Brady had a double digit lead last week and had a ****** half and they lost by double digits. Manning missed at least 3 passes late vs Indy when Indy came back and Denver needed some first downs, Rodgers, missed a couple open guys because he got happy feet and took off when he didn't have to in week 1, then didn't even try to get the first down when he could've gotten it easily.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I don't think anyone is saying Ben had a good game, but Brady had a double digit lead last week and had a ****** half and they lost by double digits. Manning missed at least 3 passes late vs Indy when Indy came back and Denver needed some first downs, Rodgers, missed a couple open guys because he got happy feet and took off when he didn't have to in week 1, then didn't even try to get the first down when he could've gotten it easily.

Like i said I'm not talking one game. Ben has never had those stretch of games where he has played lights out and rung up the scoreboard. All those guys have.

 

[Coryea]

Like i said I'm not talking one game. Ben has never had those stretch of games where he has played lights out and rung up the scoreboard. All those guys have.

yet he has the same career comp% as Brady, only 2 lower than Rodgers, and his career QB rating is only 2 lower than Brady. I think we had a run last season, final 8 games averaged 28 points a game when he ran the no huddle the majority of the time.

 

[antdrewjosh]

yet he has the same career comp% as Brady, only 2 lower than Rodgers, and his career QB rating is only 2 lower than Brady. I think we had a run last season, final 8 games averaged 28 points a game when he ran the no huddle the majority of the time.

Point taken...

My point is we need it again.

 

[insaniti]

Point taken...

My point is we need it again.

This was the SECOND GAME of the season, and it was on a short week.