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Ben or Todd

Cool shades teams seem to start out slow. SEEMS THAT WAY.

They don't play dick in the pre sesason. If you cant see how ben has deteriorated physically you need glasses. Hes not a geriatric yet.. But the man needs some stretching exercises and yoga or something. He looks brittle to me. Yes I still like him and want him as QB. Haley ,, IDK he has kept ben up right. Better than Arians.

You know, ben has performed over the years. Sometimes though we have won without him having the numbers. we are putting up enough points.. But is it enough to beat the ******** from Foxboro.?
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
I'm not a big fan of Haley's offense. He did the tough job of convincing Ben that he doesn't have to hold the ball for the big play every down. He got Ben to embrace the short game. But Haley's offense seems to have nothing in the middle. It's a WR screen or a bomb on most plays.

With the deep threats of AB and Martavis, there should be tons of open area in the intermediate ranges. I just don't think they attack the middle or intermediate often enough. Something as simple as an angle route from Bell out of the backfield.

The offense is obviously good, but it should be unstoppable.
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Cleveland was primarily the short game, MN seemed all long ball, all the time. maybe Chicago will be the medium game. Put it all together in Baltimore.
 
Well sometimes Ben has guys wide open on short routes. On medium routes. Seems all the coverage would be on the deep route. Multiple guys on defense just running with the deep route guy(s). Guys underneath are just looking around and are completely uncovered. Ben throw's into triple coverage. Drive stalls. That is what gets to me. Seems like it is a weekly thing.
 
stillwright said:
Well sometimes Ben has guys wide open on short routes. On medium routes. Seems all the coverage would be on the deep route. Multiple guys on defense just running with the deep route guy(s). Guys underneath are just looking around and are completely uncovered. Ben throw's into triple coverage. Drive stalls. That is what gets to me. Seems like it is a weekly thing.
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Does anyone Remeber when Ben was used in the "Pistal" set? It was a short shotgun and It worked well. It didn't give him as much time and he had to throw a little more out of instinct than progression. It worked because it took the thinking part away to some degree. Ben is back there and spends to much time thinking. He was put in the Pistal because of injury but the side affect was the completions and great QBR. I'm not saying it's the fix as there is no fix. Ben has always had that indecisive streak of having to wait to long to see the play.



Salute the nation
 
You people realize Minnesota was a top 5 defense last year right? 3rd best in total yards and pass yards given up. The Browns game can be chalked up to rust (hopefully) but this was a good defense, at least based on last season and week 1 against a good Saints O. Turn one of the 4 FGs into a TD and we put up 30 and I don't think you hear anyone complaining.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
34-3 to the Eagles starting a rookie QB and Baltimore.
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When have the Ravens ever been an easy out? It's called a rivalry and these games will always be close.

Eagles were running a Rookie QB who played the entire preseason, so this O was firing on all cylinders when the regular season started, and it took a month before opposing teams caught up to their execution. Their rash of injuries after September didn't help them maintain their stellar play in Sept. It's not who you are playing, it's when you are playing them.

Case in point, we got to play a good Min without their starting QB. That's a win for us, but we definitely benefitted on when we played them.
 
I was a fan of this team when we were waiting for Kordell Stewart to throw his next worm burner and trying to win with just defense.

I don't give a **** if we score 2 points, as long as the other team has zero. A win is a win, style points aren't worth **** at the end of the season, and rubbing another teams nose in the loss is the Patriot way, not the Steeler way.

Joe
 
nitsuj1225 said:
You people realize Minnesota was a top 5 defense last year right? 3rd best in total yards and pass yards given up. The Browns game can be chalked up to rust (hopefully) but this was a good defense, at least based on last season and week 1 against a good Saints O. Turn one of the 4 FGs into a TD and we put up 30 and I don't think you hear anyone complaining.
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I'd also say that Cleveland's D has improved. Even with 5 TOs and short fields everywhere, they held the Ravens to 4 scoring drives. If this team is +5 in the turnover ratio, I bet we put up 50 points.
 
Cope said:
When have the Ravens ever been an easy out? It's called a rivalry and these games will always be close.

Eagles were running a Rookie QB who played the entire preseason, so this O was firing on all cylinders when the regular season started, and it took a month before opposing teams caught up to their execution. Their rash of injuries after September didn't help them maintain their stellar play in Sept. It's not who you are playing, it's when you are playing them.

Case in point, we got to play a good Min without their starting QB. That's a win for us, but we definitely benefitted on when we played them.
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Those damn Ravens games are close because for whatever reason we play them scared. If we would open it up from the first series, I swear we'd kill them, but for whatever reason we see the big bad ******* ravens and suddenly our offense is back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust mentality. Run run pass punt. Drives me crazy.

Joe
 
with a name like "Todd", you know he's a douche and blame-worthy.
 
t-man said:
Those damn Ravens games are close because for whatever reason we play them scared. If we would open it up from the first series, I swear we'd kill them, but for whatever reason we see the big bad ******* ravens and suddenly our offense is back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust mentality. Run run pass punt. Drives me crazy.

Joe
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I always felt they were close because we are built to beat the other. It's how we draft, it's how we scheme, and how we playcall. That and actually being a rivalry, means that team wants to beat us more than any other team in the league. They went 2-0 against us that year they had 4 wins. We still made the playoffs, and those 2 wins knocked them out of the top 5 in the draft, where they had to take the second best LT because the best one smoked pot in a gas mask. Too funny!
 
nitsuj1225 said:
You people realize Minnesota was a top 5 defense last year right?
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This. Despite them bottling up Bell and being in Ben's face most the game, the offense still put up 26 points. This was one of those rare games where at no point was the outcome in question. The offense was taking chances because they could. I'm pretty sure if the game had been closer in the second half, it wouldn't have been bombs away. I'd like to see them play a little better upfront and on the road, but so far I like where they're heading on both sides of the ball.
 
I think once the O-line improves, it will help. Also we need to get stability at the TE and a reliable #3 WR. It might be early but Besides Brown and the Alien, I'm not impressed at all. Makes we wish we had Hamilton. Atleast he kept the chains moving.
 
Ben or Haley.

Easy call. Haley is too predictable, His play calling runs hot or cold. and he's got a top 5 NFL offense to work with.

My issues are the red zone lack of TD's relative to our talent.
Not calling play action enough or at all
Calling way too many short screens
When he runs it on 3rd down and more than 4 yards to go ( Yet this happens a few times a year )
Forcing it o Brown a bit too much
Not letting Ben go no huddle often enough
Being way too conservative when having a lead, allowing the other team to catch up.
I could come up with more points...
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
But Haley's offense seems to have nothing in the middle. It's a WR screen or a bomb on most plays.

With the deep threats of AB and Martavis, there should be tons of open area in the intermediate ranges. I just don't think they attack the middle or intermediate often enough.
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My observation as well. Bryant and Brown are both deep threats. Try Bryant deep when he is singled up and the defense has 8 in the box and is single-high safety or shading the safety towards Brown. Make the defense respect the long ball.

Do that to open up the middle. Safeties deep, LB'ers filling the running lanes, middle of the field is there for the taking. Also, use play-action to freeze the LB'ers or suck them towards the LOS. That makes the middle of the field a lot of grass with very few defenders standing on it.
 
Both Ben and Haley share the blame (If 26pts is what youre looking to blame). I know some of you still have PTSD from Kordell, Neil, etc., but to suggest otherwise is simply false.

-Todd gets the blame for calling those gawd awful screens, and getting too cute from time to time.

-Ben gets the blame for always looking for the HR rather than moving the chains.
 
Sorry, all the photos are "not allowed" in this forum.

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