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Ben is Canton Bound

*shrugs* He'll be back under a different name
 
Chicoman said:
I will say this tonight on ESPN after the game you had Tom Jackson & Trent Dilfer both trashing today's NFL and saying how easy it is to pass in today's NFL....not directly but indirectly taking away some of the glory that deserves to goto Ben Roethlisberger.
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Oh. come on.... this is the exact thing everyone on here has been whining about for years, and NOW you want to take issue with the talking heads for agreeing with you?
 
10,600+ career yards rushing with an average of 4.1
4,200+ career yards receiving with an average of 9.1
78 rushing, 13, and 1 passing career touchdowns. ( 92 total )
Shares SB record for touchdowns scored in a single game with three other players with 3.
Singlehandedly owns the post season record for touchdowns scored in a single game with 5.
Five time probowl selection.
1 SB championship.

This person is not currently in the Hall of Fame.
It's not always about all the stats you can name and cite.

And certainly one individual game in the regular season, or post season for that matter, is not going to cement it one way or the other.
It was an incredible game for Ben.......it would have been for ANY NFL player, past/present/future.
But you can't cite this game for Ben's greatness based purely on statistics, but than rage against everyone else when they bring up his SB statistics, including an NFL record for worst QB rating for a winning QB by a landslide 22.6, and career SB stats of 3 TDs and 5 INTs.
I guess I missed the post after the Baltimore game this year hyping his HOF induction.
 
fedderone said:
10,600+ career yards rushing with an average of 4.1
4,200+ career yards receiving with an average of 9.1
78 rushing, 13, and 1 passing career touchdowns. ( 92 total )
Shares SB record for touchdowns scored in a single game with three other players with 3.
Singlehandedly owns the post season record for touchdowns scored in a single game with 5.
Five time probowl selection.
1 SB championship.

This person is not currently in the Hall of Fame.
It's not always about all the stats you can name and cite.

And certainly one individual game in the regular season, or post season for that matter, is not going to cement it one way or the other.
It was an incredible game for Ben.......it would have been for ANY NFL player, past/present/future.
But you can't cite this game for Ben's greatness based purely on statistics, but than rage against everyone else when they bring up his SB statistics, including an NFL record for worst QB rating for a winning QB by a landslide 22.6, and career SB stats of 3 TDs and 5 INTs.
I guess I missed the post after the Baltimore game this year hyping his HOF induction.
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So, it's your belief that he will be kept out of the HOF because of Super Bowl stats? What about career playoff stats including also games other than the Super Bowl. How about regular season stats? Do wins and losses play a factor? What about all the other "snap shot" games? Game winning drives? How about the fact that the media (who does the voting) is now starting to say Ben and HOF in the same sentence without a "yeah but".
Look, my vote won't get him in ..... but yours won't keep him out.

Lets compare two HOF QBs:

QB 1: W/L 94-71-0, Career Completion Percentage 61.5%, Passing Yards 32942, TDs 165, INT 141, Career Passer Rating 81.6, Playoff Record 11-4, Playoff Comeback Wins 1, Playoff Game Winning Drives 1, Super Bowl Wins 3.

QB 2: W/L 100-50-0, Career Completion Percentage 63.6%, Passing Yards 36485, TDs 235, INT 125, Career Passer Rating 93.4, Playoff Record 10-4, Playoff Comeback Wins 2, Playoff Game Winning Drives 2, Super Bowl Wins 2
 
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SteelBuckeye said:
So, it's your belief that he will be kept out of the HOF because of Super Bowl stats? What about career playoff stats including also games other than the Super Bowl. How about regular season stats? Do wins and losses play a factor? What about all the other "snap shot" games? Game winning drives? How about the fact that the media (who does the voting) is now starting to say Ben and HOF in the same sentence without a "yeah but".
Look, my vote won't get him in ..... but yours won't keep him out.
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I'm sorry you're missing the point of my post.
I loathe people who crown based on stats, and specifically one regular season game stats.
I also loathe people who give sole credit/blame to one individual player on a TEAM sport....this tends to happen the most with QBs.
I also believe you shouldn't talk about any players HOF credentials or how many years it'll take to get them in until they officially retire and don't play another snap.
In the case of Ben, he's got another 5 or so years left? A lot can happen in those 5 years.
Maybe the Steelers with another SB or so.
Maybe Ben loses his escapability because of all the shots he's taken from awful O-line protection/hanging onto the ball too long/not throwing away and trying to extend the play and he plays "average" or "poor" for what we've come to expect of him and the last years of his career are sad.
We don't know.
He's been the best QB for us since Terry. Unquestionably.
I'm really just railing agasint all the HOF talk after this particular game.
REE-DICULOUS, in my humble opinion.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
So, it's your belief that he will be kept out of the HOF because of Super Bowl stats? What about career playoff stats including also games other than the Super Bowl. How about regular season stats? Do wins and losses play a factor? What about all the other "snap shot" games? Game winning drives? How about the fact that the media (who does the voting) is now starting to say Ben and HOF in the same sentence without a "yeah but".
Look, my vote won't get him in ..... but yours won't keep him out.
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If you're going to count Super Bowl victories as a criteria for induction, I think you absolutely have to consider his performances in those games. He was atrocious minus one drive and one throw(better catch).
 
fedderone said:
I'm sorry you're missing the point of my post.
I loathe people who crown based on stats, and specifically one regular season game stats.
I also loathe people who give sole credit/blame to one individual player on a TEAM sport....this tends to happen the most with QBs.
I also believe you shouldn't talk about any players HOF credentials or how many years it'll take to get them in until they officially retire and don't play another snap.
In the case of Ben, he's got another 5 or so years left? A lot can happen in those 5 years.
Maybe the Steelers with another SB or so.
Maybe Ben loses his escapability because of all the shots he's taken from awful O-line protection/hanging onto the ball too long/not throwing away and trying to extend the play and he plays "average" or "poor" for what we've come to expect of him and the last years of his career are sad.
We don't know.
He's been the best QB for us since Terry. Unquestionably.
I'm really just railing agasint all the HOF talk after this particular game.
REE-DICULOUS, in my humble opinion.
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Thank you. That's what I've been saying.
 
Ben's biggest hurdle to making the HOF is he is not well liked or respected by the voters. His off field drama (BS as it was) will always hurt him, and a career of play that some consider inconsistent. I believe he should be a 2nd or 3rd round ballot guy (black and gold goggles...maybe), but he will be hemmed by the writers and guys who think Joe Flacco, Tony Romo, and Colin Kaperdouche are current NFL "elites" . Oh, and he should have been MVP in XLIII. That probably would have sealed the deal, again "voters" chose Stoner Holmes over him out of spite. I bleed it, but I know the NFL and associates do not like the Steelers. Especially Big Ben.
 
fedderone said:
I'm sorry you're missing the point of my post.
I loathe people who crown based on stats, and specifically one regular season game stats.
I also loathe people who give sole credit/blame to one individual player on a TEAM sport....this tends to happen the most with QBs.
I also believe you shouldn't talk about any players HOF credentials or how many years it'll take to get them in until they officially retire and don't play another snap.
In the case of Ben, he's got another 5 or so years left? A lot can happen in those 5 years.
Maybe the Steelers with another SB or so.
Maybe Ben loses his escapability because of all the shots he's taken from awful O-line protection/hanging onto the ball too long/not throwing away and trying to extend the play and he plays "average" or "poor" for what we've come to expect of him and the last years of his career are sad.
We don't know.
He's been the best QB for us since Terry. Unquestionably.
I'm really just railing agasint all the HOF talk after this particular game.
REE-DICULOUS, in my humble opinion.
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I can understand the wait til they retire approach. And I also don't think that one game puts any person in the HOF (His cleats maybe or the football). That said, when you have a special QB, LB, RB, whatever position where stats can be kept there will always be the tendency to compare the "pace" of that player to those who have already entered the HOF. No harm in doing so unless and it can be fun. So, with all due respect, I'll continue looking at the stats, etc. and discussing the relative merits of Ben's HOF candidacy as it stands right now. I'll also do the same when he retires and upon the first year of his eligibility.
One game, not so much. I'll take games like this and marvel at the singular beauty and Awe of this game. It adds to his "resume", but it's not his whole resume.
 
awboatguy said:
Ben's biggest hurdle to making the HOF is he is not well liked or respected by the voters. His off field drama (BS as it was) will always hurt him, and a career of play that some consider inconsistent. I believe he should be a 2nd or 3rd round ballot guy (black and gold goggles...maybe), but he will be hemmed by the writers and guys who think Joe Flacco, Tony Romo, and Colin Kaperdouche are current NFL "elites" . Oh, and he should have been MVP in XLIII. That probably would have sealed the deal, again "voters" chose Stoner Holmes over him out of spite. I bleed it, but I know the NFL and associates do not like the Steelers. Especially Big Ben.
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Yep. It's a biiiiig conspiracy!
 
Hollywood Bags said:
Yep. It's a biiiiig conspiracy!
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I don't think it's a conspiracy, but it's pretty obvious that reporters don't see Ben as the "guy" they respect as a traditional QB in the NFL. They see him more as a gimmick guy. Even last nights performance won't sway the naysayers.
 
There are only 2 QBs playing today that are locks for the Hall - Brady and P. Manning.

All the rest that have played at a high level throughout their careers are still proving themselves - but I think Ben is at the top of that secondary list.
 
Ben will get into the Hall of Fame.
- He has 2 superbowl wins and 3 appearances along with another AFCCG appearance.
He will have one of the best winning percentages for a QB ever.
He is on pace to be:
-- top 10 in QB rating, Currently he is 9th
-- top 10 in yards likely around 50G or more,
--Pass completion %
--Top 10 in TD's... even if he played 5 more seasons with only 15 TD passes per game, he would finish around 6th in tds when he retired
even with the stats he probably wont get higher than inthe top 20 like Td% or Int%, he still will be comparable to a lot of greats like Marino and Montanna with very simular or even worse numbers than Ben
However, what he will have going for him is the legend of big ben. he has surpassed elway as the most escapable QB in NFL history. The comebacks and game winning drives he had are going to be magnified. the superbowl winning drive is going to be epic in this case, and frankly the really bad Olines and run game he had through his prime is going to help him immensely when the case is made
 
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madinsomniac said:
Ben will get into the Hall of Fame.
- He has 2 superbowl wins and 3 appearances along with another AFCCG appearance.
He will have one of the best winning percentages for a QB ever.
He is on pace to be:
-- top 10 in QB rating, Currently he is 9th
-- top 10 in yards likely around 50G or more,
--Pass completion %
--Top 10 in TD's... even if he played 5 more seasons with only 15 TD passes per game, he would finish around 6th in tds when he retired
even with the stats he probably wont get higher than inthe top 20 like Td% or Int%, he still will be comparable to a lot of greats like Marino and Montanna with very simular or even worse numbers than Ben
However, what he will have going for him is the legend of big ben. he has surpassed elway as the most escapable QB in NFL history. The comebacks and game winning drives he had are going to be magnified. the superbowl winning drive is going to be epic in this case, and frankly the really bad Olines and run game he had through his prime is going to help him immensely when the case is made
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Interesting and thanks for the stats. I wasn't aware he was on some of those lists. Like I said before, I think he should be a 2nd or 3rd ballot guy.
 
He couldn't spell CAT if you spotted him the C and the T. Oh, wait wrong QB.
 
madinsomniac said:
Ben will get into the Hall of Fame.
- He has 2 superbowl wins and 3 appearances along with another AFCCG appearance.
He will have one of the best winning percentages for a QB ever.
He is on pace to be:
-- top 10 in QB rating, Currently he is 9th
-- top 10 in yards likely around 50G or more,
--Pass completion %
--Top 10 in TD's... even if he played 5 more seasons with only 15 TD passes per game, he would finish around 6th in tds when he retired
even with the stats he probably wont get higher than inthe top 20 like Td% or Int%, he still will be comparable to a lot of greats like Marino and Montanna with very simular or even worse numbers than Ben
However, what he will have going for him is the legend of big ben. he has surpassed elway as the most escapable QB in NFL history. The comebacks and game winning drives he had are going to be magnified. the superbowl winning drive is going to be epic in this case, and frankly the really bad Olines and run game he had through his prime is going to help him immensely when the case is made
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Well yeah, but he can't throw a football a quarter-mile over them mountains like Uncle Rico.

 
madinsomniac said:
Ben will get into the Hall of Fame.
- He has 2 superbowl wins and 3 appearances along with another AFCCG appearance.
He will have one of the best winning percentages for a QB ever.
He is on pace to be:
-- top 10 in QB rating, Currently he is 9th
-- top 10 in yards likely around 50G or more,
--Pass completion %
--Top 10 in TD's... even if he played 5 more seasons with only 15 TD passes per game, he would finish around 6th in tds when he retired
even with the stats he probably wont get higher than inthe top 20 like Td% or Int%, he still will be comparable to a lot of greats like Marino and Montanna with very simular or even worse numbers than Ben
However, what he will have going for him is the legend of big ben. he has surpassed elway as the most escapable QB in NFL history. The comebacks and game winning drives he had are going to be magnified. the superbowl winning drive is going to be epic in this case, and frankly the really bad Olines and run game he had through his prime is going to help him immensely when the case is made
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15 TD Passes Per GameI would love to see 5 TD passes per game, now did you mean something else?
 
Wingman said:
15 TD Passes Per GameI would love to see 5 TD passes per game, now did you mean something else?
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Lol I meant per season... nice catch. (Though if he does go the next five seasons throwing 15 a game I am sooooo taking credit for that prediction :D)
 
SteelBuckeye said:
I can understand the wait til they retire approach. And I also don't think that one game puts any person in them HOF .
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Joe Namath is in for one game...hell, he threw 170 TDs against 223 INTs and still made it in. Think he was a career 50 percent passer too. Friggin' Bob Griese is in the Hall too for less than what Ben has accomplished. Think he only threw like 11 passes in Super Bowl VII and only threw 7 passes in Super Bowl VIII.
 
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