Sorry. No idea how to link. Sure someone will. Basically doesn't point finger at Tomlin but doesn't not blame him either. Kinda surprised at this point with the 4-1 record.
Ben cites physical practices as possible cause of injuries
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But the majority of the injuries have occurred during games, not practice.
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It's not frigging badminton. We used to play hard hitting smash mouth football and guys managed to do just fine for years. I don't get what the problem is now.
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Tomlin did a pretty good job of taking care of the veterans. It's a delicate balance on how physical you are in practice, but it certainly helps set the tone in training camp. Although I'm sure some will complain about what Ben said, I appreciate his honesty. Way too many canned answers from athletes.
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I cite physical practices as a possible cause of winning
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http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-rash-of-team-s-injuries/stories/201610110170
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Mike Tomlin puts the Steelers through some of the most physical practices in the NFL, said Ben Roethlisberger, and the quarterback believes that may be why they have so many injuries.
“We have a lot of injuries,” Roethlisberger said on his radio spot on 93.7 The Fan Tuesday. “I think a lot of our stuff stems from we’re one of the most physical football teams in training camp, in practice, you know. We do more hitting than most teams do and more [practices in] pads.”
Tomlin declared Cam Heyward out for Sunday’s game in Miami after their star defensive end came down with a hamstring injury in the first half Sunday against the New York Jets.
He is merely the latest in a long list of starters who have been out with injuries: Offensive tackle Marcus Gilbert (ankle), guard Ramon Foster (chest), linebacker Ryan Shazier (knee), safety Robert Golden (hamstring), fullback Roosevelt Nix (back), and wide receivers Markus Wheaton (shoulder) and Eli Rogers (toe). In addition, some key backups also have been out: offensive tackle Ryan Harris (shin), cornerback Senquez Golson (foot) and center-guard Cody Wallace (knee). Tomlin also said special teams player Shamarko Thomas (groin) will miss Sunday’s game in Miami.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-rash-of-team-s-injuries/stories/201610110170
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Mike Tomlin puts the Steelers through some of the most physical practices in the NFL, said Ben Roethlisberger, and the quarterback believes that may be why they have so many injuries.
“We have a lot of injuries,” Roethlisberger said on his radio spot on 93.7 The Fan Tuesday. “I think a lot of our stuff stems from we’re one of the most physical football teams in training camp, in practice, you know. We do more hitting than most teams do and more [practices in] pads.”
Tomlin declared Cam Heyward out for Sunday’s game in Miami after their star defensive end came down with a hamstring injury in the first half Sunday against the New York Jets.
He is merely the latest in a long list of starters who have been out with injuries: Offensive tackle Marcus Gilbert (ankle), guard Ramon Foster (chest), linebacker Ryan Shazier (knee), safety Robert Golden (hamstring), fullback Roosevelt Nix (back), and wide receivers Markus Wheaton (shoulder) and Eli Rogers (toe). In addition, some key backups also have been out: offensive tackle Ryan Harris (shin), cornerback Senquez Golson (foot) and center-guard Cody Wallace (knee). Tomlin also said special teams player Shamarko Thomas (groin) will miss Sunday’s game in Miami.
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I think it was one of those Ben moments where he believes something and maybe rightfully so, but he doesn't filter it out for the media. He kinda threw his coach under the bus. Isn't there all kind of NFL rules that govern the amount of contact practices you can have or did that get thrown out. I remember for sure a year or two and there was a precise number. It was like you have 16 or something.
Actually on my youth teams I'm shocked at how little we have to practice too the ground tackling to get the desired effect on game days. We never go live in scrimmage except for a goal line drill, we do Oklahoma drill once a week. The rest is all rehearsal, but thud in scrimmage has to be full fit, no arm reach and tag. You have to be fully square and make the fit.
I think it was one of those Ben moments where he believes something and maybe rightfully so, but he doesn't filter it out for the media. He kinda threw his coach under the bus. Isn't there all kind of NFL rules that govern the amount of contact practices you can have or did that get thrown out. I remember for sure a year or two and there was a precise number. It was like you have 16 or something.
Actually on my youth teams I'm shocked at how little we have to practice too the ground tackling to get the desired effect on game days. We never go live in scrimmage except for a goal line drill, we do Oklahoma drill once a week. The rest is all rehearsal, but thud in scrimmage has to be full fit, no arm reach and tag. You have to be fully square and make the fit.
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Lack of practice is why the NFL is going downhill. It is easy to see how the level of play has dropped across the board.
NFL sets the example and colleges follow, so now most colleges don't hit as much in practice. So now many high schools don't either. Forget most of the youth football where the media has convinced moms that a bump on the head at age 10 means your son will be a drooling idiot at age 30.
Games are now practice. We are watching training camp until about week 10.
It used to be that you had to practice and come up with a gameplan to overcome another team. You actually had to play better than the other team to win. Now games are decided by which team's WRs make the most plays on jump balls or which team's DBs miss the most open field tackles.
That's why there's a dropoff. Football used to be the ultimate team game. Now it's almost like the NBA where they try to set up the star player while the other guys just stand around or act as decoys.
The other thing is the salary cap. Nearly every team follows the same formula. Give huge contracts to a few stars, then hope you can draft some young stars who contribute early before you have to give them big money. Fill in the middle with journeymen. Journeymen who don't get enough playing time to really get good because as soon as they get good enough to make some decent money, they get replaced by a cheaper rookie who has potential but makes a ton of mistakes.
The NFL is badly in need of a developmental league. College football is no longer adequate. College coaches used to teach kids how to play football. Now they just teach them gimmicky schemes that 20 year old kids who practice 20 hours per week can't defend. They don;t teach blocking or tackling anymore.
The NFL needs a farm system. They need a league where practice squad level guys actually get to practice because aside from meetings and lifting weights they get few reps in the NFL.
NFL sets the example and colleges follow, so now most colleges don't hit as much in practice. So now many high schools don't either. Forget most of the youth football where the media has convinced moms that a bump on the head at age 10 means your son will be a drooling idiot at age 30.
Games are now practice. We are watching training camp until about week 10.
It used to be that you had to practice and come up with a gameplan to overcome another team. You actually had to play better than the other team to win. Now games are decided by which team's WRs make the most plays on jump balls or which team's DBs miss the most open field tackles.
That's why there's a dropoff. Football used to be the ultimate team game. Now it's almost like the NBA where they try to set up the star player while the other guys just stand around or act as decoys.
The other thing is the salary cap. Nearly every team follows the same formula. Give huge contracts to a few stars, then hope you can draft some young stars who contribute early before you have to give them big money. Fill in the middle with journeymen. Journeymen who don't get enough playing time to really get good because as soon as they get good enough to make some decent money, they get replaced by a cheaper rookie who has potential but makes a ton of mistakes.
The NFL is badly in need of a developmental league. College football is no longer adequate. College coaches used to teach kids how to play football. Now they just teach them gimmicky schemes that 20 year old kids who practice 20 hours per week can't defend. They don;t teach blocking or tackling anymore.
The NFL needs a farm system. They need a league where practice squad level guys actually get to practice because aside from meetings and lifting weights they get few reps in the NFL.
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I'm glad my sons team goes hard during their practices. He's only 8 and playing mighty mite football, but they are getting them ready for hits.
They do bull in the ring, Oklahoma drills, etc... Full speed scrimmage and it pays off, we're 4-1-2 and should have won our last game if not for bad refs. Our conditioning and hitting ability is way above other teams. I think it matters. I'd rather have tough S.O.B.'s over china dolls.
They do bull in the ring, Oklahoma drills, etc... Full speed scrimmage and it pays off, we're 4-1-2 and should have won our last game if not for bad refs. Our conditioning and hitting ability is way above other teams. I think it matters. I'd rather have tough S.O.B.'s over china dolls.
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I really don't see a story here. Practicing hard can wear a body down, but not practicing hard can lead to being soft in games. I'll take my chances and make sure the team is ready on gameday.
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Was gonna say, they don't want to know what practice in the 70's was like.
It is a fine line to walk, and one Coach Mike Tomlin makes sure he manages and pays close attention to.
"It's a conversation that we continually have," said Tomlin. "You have to walk a fine line. It's a delicate thing, team development and readiness. Not enough, too much. Those discussions are ongoing and it's a legitimate one."
Tomlin said it's a matter of balance when you manage the process over a time frame that runs about six months.
"It's time tested and really looking at each individual group and trying to give it what it needs along with experience," said Tomlin. "We don't do a lot of evaluating in that regard right now because that is in our rear view. As we come to the close of the season we will take a global look at issues such as those."
Tomlin said he had no problem with Roethlisberger sharing his opinion.
"We're a transparent group. Opinions are valued," said Tomlin. "We don't care where good ideas come from. We are just trying to win football games.
"Ben's been around here long enough to have an opinion and also express it."
http://m.steelers.com/news/article-...ine-line/3cf92425-2816-4edf-ad38-f538eff6da8b
"It's a conversation that we continually have," said Tomlin. "You have to walk a fine line. It's a delicate thing, team development and readiness. Not enough, too much. Those discussions are ongoing and it's a legitimate one."
Tomlin said it's a matter of balance when you manage the process over a time frame that runs about six months.
"It's time tested and really looking at each individual group and trying to give it what it needs along with experience," said Tomlin. "We don't do a lot of evaluating in that regard right now because that is in our rear view. As we come to the close of the season we will take a global look at issues such as those."
Tomlin said he had no problem with Roethlisberger sharing his opinion.
"We're a transparent group. Opinions are valued," said Tomlin. "We don't care where good ideas come from. We are just trying to win football games.
"Ben's been around here long enough to have an opinion and also express it."
http://m.steelers.com/news/article-...ine-line/3cf92425-2816-4edf-ad38-f538eff6da8b
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Time to kick it old school
I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest - If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!
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I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest - If you can't take it, you shouldn't play!
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Ben...wtf. Why would you allow something like this to come out of your mouth?