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Be 100% honest. Do you count any of the Patriots Super Bowl wins?

wig said:
It does matter.

The more people continue to recognize and remember the fact that the **'s have cheated and don't deserve a single one of those superbowl trips (excepting the Bears game in the 80's, 84, was it?) the more and more likely we'll see the **'s and their fans melt down as it becomes more obvious that the NFL world simply doesn't respect their cheating.

Then there will be the H.O.F. voting down the line. That's when it will get interesting. One day SOMEBODY needs to remember this ****. Somebody needs to take into account that Brady and Bellichick didn't deserve ANY of those trophies and the only way that happens is if the scandal stays in the public eye.

Frankly, remaining an irritant is the responsibility of a fan who cares about the game. It's true.
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I can see that the cheating scandals and his irascible nature with the media may hurt Belichick with the hall voters, but do you truly believe this will have any impact on Brady's first ballot induction into the hall? I don't.

You can shout it from every rooftop in the country, it's still not going to change history. The NFL will protect it's own.
 
As much as I can't stand them and as disappointed as I was with the way the SB ended, I'm almost ready to put the Patriot hate behind me. I can't even explain it. Maybe I'm just tired of it. Maybe it's the way the Seahawks acted during the game (the fight, Baldwin, etc). As the days have gone by, I just can't even be bothered to care any more.

Anyway, to answer the question, I don't count the first three because I believe Spygate was some seriously nefarious crap. However, the deflated balls thing, while scummy, just doesn't really impress me that much. I think they won this one fair. Now, that doesn't mean we won't learn of something else in the future that they have been doing and I might change my mind, but for now I'll let them have this one. LOL
 
thumbring said:
As much as I can't stand them and as disappointed as I was with the way the SB ended, I'm almost ready to put the Patriot hate behind me. I can't even explain it. Maybe I'm just tired of it. Maybe it's the way the Seahawks acted during the game (the fight, Baldwin, etc). As the days have gone by, I just can't even be bothered to care any more.
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I hear ya. I think we get to where it just doesn't matter because the league won't do anything about it.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I hear ya. I think we get to where it just doesn't matter because the league won't do anything about it.
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Yep, this. Nothing at all will happen, their silence so far is deafening.

And I think there's a whole lot more to it than most know. The whole thing is rotten. Goodell is butt buddies with Kraft who is butt buddies with Leslie Moonves, the pres of CBS, who aside from owning the AFC television rights, also cozied up with the Pats* to slap a CBS restaurant down at Patriot Place when it opened in 2007, the same year spygate broke and was shoved under the carpet. There's plenty of reason, need and desire to constantly have the Pats* in the playoffs every year. CBS then partnered up with the league to broadcast the Thursday night games this past season. Now, though being denied by the league, there were rumors flying yesterday that CBS is in talks to purchase a large portion of the NFL network. Now need you wonder why Cowher, once becoming a CBS lap dog, came out awhile back to proclaim that spygate had no effect on anything? Cowher's soul has been bought and sold. At one time Cowher couldn't stand Belichick when he was in Cleveland and was flummoxed when Belichick had a hissy fit over a Steelers trainer trying to help an injured Pat*. But now it's, "Nothing to see here, move along."
 
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It's entertainment. Not sports.

As long as you can get your head around that, you'll be fine.

Tom Brady is a fine entertainer. As an athlete... Well, let's not go fooling ourselves, shall we?
 
wig said:
It's entertainment. Not sports.

As long as you can get your head around that, you'll be fine.

Tom Brady is a fine entertainer. As an athlete... Well, let's not go fooling ourselves, shall we?
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http://www.exploringmarkets.com/2014/01/tom-brady-is-worst-athlete-in-nfl-his.html

Tom Brady has a remarkable story.

No one thought he could do it.

And for reasons beyond his entire control.

They said he was too unathletic, too slow, too gangly. NFL scouts took this picture of him while at the combine the year he entered the 2000 draft:

tom-brady-combine.jpg


The most shallow industry in all of America is professional sports.

They judge just about every player on physical attributes.

Can he jump high? Can he bench press? How long are his arms? How big are his hands?

Of all the starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now, Tom Brady had the worst combine. His 40-yard dash time, for example, was THE slowest. Take a look:


Name 40 Yard Dash 20 Yard Shuttle 3 Cone Drill Vertical
Russell Wilson 4.53 4.09 6.97 34
Colin Kaepernick 4.53 4.18 6.85 32.5
Cam Newton 4.56 4.18 6.92 35
Geno Smith 4.58 n/a n/a n/a
Andrew Luck 4.59 4.28 6.8 36
Ryan Tannehill 4.65 n/a n/a n/a
Aaron Rodgers 4.71 n/a 7.39 34.5
Ben Roethlisberger 4.75 n/a n/a n/a
Jay Cutler 4.77 4.31 7.12 0
Peyton Manning 4.8 n/a n/a n/a
Matthew Stafford 4.81 4.47 7.06 30.5
Andy Dalton 4.83 4.27 6.93 29.5
Drew Brees 4.83 4.21 7.09 32
Joe Flacco 4.84 4.27 6.82 28.5
Matt Ryan 4.89 4.51 7.1 24.5
Eli Manning 4.9 n/a n/a n/a
Chad Henne 4.92 4.4 7.17 25.5
Tony Romo 5.01 4.2 7.11 30
Nick Foles 5.03 n/a n/a 30.5
Philip Rivers 5.08 n/a n/a n/a
Tom Brady 5.28 4.38 7.2 24.5


Tom Brady stuck it to everyone.

Of all the starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now, and all of the ones listed above, Tom Brady has had the best career. He's won more Super Bowls than all of them. He's passed for more yards and touchdowns than almost every single one of them too.

He will be in the hall of fame. He might even be the greatest quarterback to have ever played.

So let this story inspire you, and everyone around you. Forget about the team he plays for. Focus on his story. There's so much more to athletics than physical attributes. Tom Brady is your proof.

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Attached the table in hopes it's easier to read

QBnumbers.JPG
 
wig said:
It's entertainment. Not sports.

As long as you can get your head around that, you'll be fine.

Tom Brady is a fine entertainer. As an athlete... Well, let's not go fooling ourselves, shall we?
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Pretty much that's it.
 
wig said:
It's entertainment. Not sports.

As long as you can get your head around that, you'll be fine.

Tom Brady is a fine entertainer. As an athlete... Well, let's not go fooling ourselves, shall we?
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I made peace with that years ago. I make theatrics about it for my own entertainment. The NFL kind of reminds me of the movie "The Last Boyscout"
 
Patrick27 said:
don't mean a thing if you ain't got that ring.

Pats got 4 of em now.

***** all you want about asterisks, but whining like little timmy on the playground "cheater cheater cheater" means three things:
1) Pittsburgh fans are pathetic crybabies
2 The Pats got the hardware and nobody is taking it away, and I don't see any asterisks in their trophy case
3) New England is and will continue to be the benchmark of success in the NFL - The Pats are the measuring stick by which other teams gauge how good their teams are, and have been for the last decade.

and I think the last one is the one that really gets you all right in the craw. The fact that the once might Steelers are a bunch of modern day also-rans. Got to try and tear down the Pats in order to try and make you feel better about having a mediocre team.

I love the fact that New England makes the Pittsburgh fans crap their diapers when the two teams meet.
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See this is what I am talking about. This guy actually thinks the other 31 teams fans are "crybabies" because most don't consider their super bowl victories as real or not tainted. It's a 100% honest question to ask. I personally don't count them and I would consider myself the majority at this point. Fine be happy and call Tom Brady a god I really don't care but to me, my opinion, is their super bowls should at very least have an explanation next to them stating they did them dishonestly. I am curious to see if there's a punishment because at this point I trust Goodell as far as I can throw him.
 
FordFairLane said:
See this is what I am talking about. This guy actually thinks the other 31 teams fans are "crybabies" because most don't consider their super bowl victories as real or not tainted. It's a 100% honest question to ask. I personally don't count them and I would consider myself the majority at this point. Fine be happy and call Tom Brady a god I really don't care but to me, my opinion, is their super bowls should at very least have an explanation next to them stating they did them dishonestly. I am curious to see if there's a punishment because at this point I trust Goodell as far as I can throw him.
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Once the scandal is swept under the rug by godell like the others and the pattern of cheating is continually ignored there will be no need to do so. Eventually it will only be of importance to folks that watch the games with more than casual involvement. As long as the fantasy games are embraced by so many cheating will never be the focus that it likely should. I have a suspicion that fans like myself will gradually become less involved with the game as it has evolved into what is played today and continues further down the track it is on. At this point I am not as interested as I once was and am not really concerned about the next season, it looks to be a debacle on a grand scale.
 
Another point about CBS and the Pats*. Did you see who was at the Grammys last night? CBS's big showcase event? Kraft and some of the Pats* and they even had Edelman and Butler up on stage to present. Cause, you know, they know everything about pop music. The bed is large and deep, large and deep.
 
I think like with most scandals where the evidence was destroyed and it looks so much like a cover up, as the years pass the legend of it will grow. personally I think eventually someone spills the beans, but even if they don't people will always remember this era of Pats as cheaters.... that's the ugly truth for all the Pats fans to digest... no matter how much they scream and cry and wish it away, their rep is overwhelmingly tainted... what do the national polls say about this stuff?, only the immediate New England area has anything less than 60% of people who don't think they cheated for some or all of their superbowls... and it will only get worse over time...
 
Just heard Foot and Hoke on the radio this afternoon -- both said that during the 2004 game they knew what the defense formations were and how to counter act -- they seemed to be one step ahead of them the entire game like they KNEW what was coming .
 
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