Asante Samuels Jr. visit...

[Phoenix1172]

It doesn't matter who they sign. I think it's worth giving him a chance however the main problem with this team is not player talent. It's coaching!

It will never get any better until Mike Tomlin is no longer part of this organization!

The guy had Generational Talent that most Head Coaches can only dream about and he couldn't win a Championship since 2008.

You think now in 2025 by some miracle he's going to be able to deliver?

Yeah, Ben's best years were waisted along with AB and the rest. It's the same problem now that the teams had then. Tomlin usually gets out coached in big games and often does not get his players better prepared against bad teams they are heavily favored to beat and play flat.

Tomlin is a good above average players coach, but he will never be mistaken as a developer of players or coaches. His teams are good enough to not have a losing season, which many fan bases would die for, but not good enough to regularly compete for a championship, which is what the Steelers fan base cares about (or win a playoff game).

 

[ExUSAF]

That reminded me of this video, pretty funny!

Who's on first?

 

[Drink IRON City]

This Franchise is so lost atm....trying to sign anyone and everyone with any possibility of starting on this roster!

You could take the Steel Curtain in their prime and make Teryl Austin & Mike Tomlin their DC's and they would SUCK A$$ T00!

The problems on this team are not personnel related! Sorry! It's COACHING!

Those two clowns and salad talkers would have been ran out of town by the MEAT EATERS in that era.!!!




Salute the nation

 

[Litos]

It doesn't matter who they sign. I think it's worth giving him a chance however the main problem with this team is not player talent. It's coaching!

It will never get any better until Mike Tomlin is no longer part of this organization!

The guy had Generational Talent that most Head Coaches can only dream about and he couldn't win a Championship since 2008.

You think now in 2025 by some miracle he's going to be able to deliver?

Nope. But this signing is not a part of the problem

 

[NoKap#7]

It doesn't matter who they sign. I think it's worth giving him a chance however the main problem with this team is not player talent. It's coaching!

It will never get any better until Mike Tomlin is no longer part of this organization!

The guy had Generational Talent that most Head Coaches can only dream about and he couldn't win a Championship since 2008.

You think now in 2025 by some miracle he's going to be able to deliver?

Cry me a river with the generational talent....your generational talent only played 5 seasons together (you could prob throw out 2013 since that was their first season together, but whatever) and Bell was injured a majority of one of those seasons (2015 - 6 GP). Not only that but the generational talent typically has to be on both sides of the ball which it certainly wasnt on the defensive side.

Here,let me remind you of what the defense looked like when your precious Killer Bs were active. Basically this team has been like a seesaw. When the Offense was good the defense was bad and vice versa.

Team Defense Ranking- Source: Pro Football Reference. Points allowed ranking in (). Im posting numbers through 2021, but the Killer Bs were active 2013-2018...although technically 2017 since Leveon sat out all 2018. Fact is the defense wasnt good enough to help out a good offense during that time except 2017 which is admittedly Tomlins biggest failure as a coach although it could be noted your best defensive player was paralyzed that year, nonetheless they still should have done better.

2007 - #1(2)
2008 - #1 (1)
2009 - #5 (13)
2010 - #2 (1)
2011 - #1 (1)
2012 - #1 (6)
2013 - #13 (14)
2014- #18 (18)
2015 - #12 (11)
2016 - #12 (10)
2017 - #5 (7)
2018 - #6 (17)
2019 - #5 (6)
2020 - #3 (3)
2021 - #19 (19)

This is the Offensive rankings for the same time frame. Team Offense Rank over the years...source PRO FOOTBALL REFERENCE "Points For" ranking in ()

2021 #25 (24)
2020 #24 (12)
2019 #30 (27)
2018 #4 (8)
2017 #3 (8)
2016 #7 (11)
2015 #3 (5)
2014 #2 (7)
2013 #20 (17)
2012 #21 (22)
2011 #12 (22)
2010 #14 (12)
2009 #7 (12)
2008 #22 (20)
2007 #17 (9)

So as you can see they never had a balanced team throughout the Killer B era besides 2017. Im sorry you guys are foolish enough to believe that the Killer Bs were elite, but they weren't. You can DEFINITELY win a SB solely on one side of the ball but you better have a unit thats all time great like the 85 bears defense, or 78 steelers defense, or 2000 Ravens...or the 2018 chiefs offense or the 2007 Patriots offense which the Killer Bs were not.

The killer bs were good enough to win a SB but they weren't good enough to carry a team to one if that makes sense. They werent a all time great and more important then anything else they only went into one post season with them all completey healthy. So stop with the generational talent overbite. At least be objective in your criticism.

 

[Shane Falco]

Makes sense now of the releasing of Thornhill. They’ve actually signed some Juan, but not another Juan

 

[Phoenix1172]

Cry me a river with the generational talent....your generational talent only played 5 seasons together (you could prob throw out 2013 since that was their first season together, but whatever) and Bell was injured a majority of one of those seasons (2015 - 6 GP). Not only that but the generational talent typically has to be on both sides of the ball which it certainly wasnt on the defensive side.

Here,let me remind you of what the defense looked like when your precious Killer Bs were active. Basically this team has been like a seesaw. When the Offense was good the defense was bad and vice versa.

Team Defense Ranking- Source: Pro Football Reference. Points allowed ranking in (). Im posting numbers through 2021, but the Killer Bs were active 2013-2018...although technically 2017 since Leveon sat out all 2018. Fact is the defense wasnt good enough to help out a good offense during that time except 2017 which is admittedly Tomlins biggest failure as a coach although it could be noted your best defensive player was paralyzed that year, nonetheless they still should have done better.

2007 - #1(2)
2008 - #1 (1)
2009 - #5 (13)
2010 - #2 (1)
2011 - #1 (1)
2012 - #1 (6)
2013 - #13 (14)
2014- #18 (18)
2015 - #12 (11)
2016 - #12 (10)
2017 - #5 (7)
2018 - #6 (17)
2019 - #5 (6)
2020 - #3 (3)
2021 - #19 (19)

This is the Offensive rankings for the same time frame. Team Offense Rank over the years...source PRO FOOTBALL REFERENCE "Points For" ranking in ()

2021 #25 (24)
2020 #24 (12)
2019 #30 (27)
2018 #4 (8)
2017 #3 (8)
2016 #7 (11)
2015 #3 (5)
2014 #2 (7)
2013 #20 (17)
2012 #21 (22)
2011 #12 (22)
2010 #14 (12)
2009 #7 (12)
2008 #22 (20)
2007 #17 (9)

So as you can see they never had a balanced team throughout the Killer B era besides 2017. Im sorry you guys are foolish enough to believe that the Killer Bs were elite, but they weren't. You can DEFINITELY win a SB solely on one side of the ball but you better have a unit thats all time great like the 85 bears defense, or 78 steelers defense, or 2000 Ravens...or the 2018 chiefs offense or the 2007 Patriots offense which the Killer Bs were not.

The killer bs were good enough to win a SB but they weren't good enough to carry a team to one if that makes sense. They werent a all time great and more important then anything else they only went into one post season with them all completey healthy. So stop with the generational talent overbite. At least be objective in your criticism.

I don't know of anyone calling the three of them elite and I doubt that only three people on any team can carry the team to a championship. The three of them were very good, even great, football players in their prime. The team definitely had enough talent on the team many of those years you listed to have won a championship had they been better coached and executed better.

People forget, or are too young, to remember how good AB was. All they remember is how he started to really go off the rails the last bit of his Steelers career then really went off after. I won't be surprised if CTE is a contributing factor to his apparent rapid mental decline.

Of the three, I'd probably say that AB is the only one I would call elite (Ben probably as well). All three were elite at times, but AB was in the conversation of best WR in the league for a number of seasons. If Ben ever gets in the Hall, a lot of that will be because of AB. I remember lots of games where Ben would just chuck up some desperation pass and AB would somehow make one unbelievable catch after the next. The guy was a lot of fun to watch. The team has not had a WR on the team since he left that can even come close to how good and how clutch he was most of the time. He's probably still better than what we have now.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Of the three, I'd probably say that AB is the only one I would call elite (Ben probably as well). All three were elite at times, but AB was in the conversation of best WR in the league for a number of seasons. If Ben ever gets in the Hall, a lot of that will be because of AB. I remember lots of games where Ben would just chuck up some desperation pass and AB would somehow make one unbelievable catch after the next. The guy was a lot of fun to watch. The team has not had a WR on the team since he left that can even come close to how good and how clutch he was most of the time. He's probably still better than what we have now.

Ben was absolutely elite, especially what we've seen since he's retired. Everyone calls Aaron Smith the most underrated Steelers player, I honestly think not enough people give Roethlisberger enough credit.

 

[Phoenix1172]

Ben was absolutely elite, especially what we've seen since he's retired. Everyone calls Aaron Smith the most underrated Steelers player, I honestly think not enough people give Roethlisberger enough credit.

As I thought about it, I agree. I keep thinking of Ben during the last couple of years. He was definitely elite for a lot of years. There were so many plays where he was dead in the water with defenders all around him only to have him toss them off then throw deep for a long completion. I miss those days.

People can say what they want about the offense through the teens, but at least it always felt like there was hope regardless of the score. If the team was down 21 in the third, I kept watching because the team had the talent on offense to come back. For the last few years, if the team gets down two scores, you can almost forget about it. Tomlin's teams anymore are built to get a 10 point lead early then play conservative on offense and hope the defense can hold out. If they get down in a game, there is no plan B because they never play anything else besides the dink and dunk stuff and don't know how to execute when they have to air it out.

 

[NoKap#7]

Ben was absolutely elite, especially what we've seen since he's retired. Everyone calls Aaron Smith the most underrated Steelers player, I honestly think not enough people give Roethlisberger enough credit.

To me theres only been three elite QBs...Brady, Mahomes, Montana. These are the Final boss guys.

Ben is in the very good tier along with Manning, Elway, I really want to put Bradshaw (although I prob shouldnt), Aikman, Rodgers guys like that, Favre, Young, Unitas, Warner...there might be a couple of more people to put in there

and underneath them...

Marino, Allen, LJ, Hurts, Stafford,Newton, Gannon, Eli M., Kelly, Wilson maybe Bradshaw belongs here moreso then the above tier.