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Antonio Brown to holdout?

Congrats AB and hope to see you at OTA's soon. Hope this was all just a misunderstanding and we can go back to loving you and how you play.
 
I think all the things Faneca was bitching about back in 2007 were correct.

The offensive line in Pittsburgh was degrading in front our eyes. The coaching was bad. The talent we were giving money too was bad. It would have frustrated me too.

I mean, we just signed Sean Mahan, gave a huge contract to Kendall Simmons and Zeirlien/Arians were ******* up the line coaching. That's all facts.

Faneca helped the Jets have a top-5 run offense in 2008 and 2009. He didn't start falling off the cliff until 2010.

Still not sure he wasn't a better investment than some of the choices Tombert made during that time frame (Simmons, Mahan, Starks, Colon, Kemo). Not sure I consider that track record very good.
 
deljzc said:
I think all the things Faneca was bitching about back in 2007 were correct.

The offensive line in Pittsburgh was degrading in front our eyes. The coaching was bad. The talent we were giving money too was bad. It would have frustrated me too.

I mean, we just signed Sean Mahan, gave a huge contract to Kendall Simmons and Zeirlien/Arians were ******* up the line coaching. That's all facts.

Faneca helped the Jets have a top-5 run offense in 2008 and 2009. He didn't start falling off the cliff until 2010.

Still not sure he wasn't a better investment than some of the choices Tombert made during that time frame (Simmons, Mahan, Starks, Colon, Kemo). Not sure I consider that track record very good.
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You think his helping the Jets with top 5 rushing offense in 2008 outweighed the Super Bowl win?
He was Pro Bowl both years and All Pro 2009 -- but was cut in April 2010 --- so he didn't make it to year 3. I think maybe he got that last one due to reputation.

He spent a lot of time bitching about his contract, which when he signed it -- it was one of the biggest contracts in NFL at that point and of course by 2007 there were others paid more. His record deal in 2008 (40 mil over 5 $21 G) was passed by Jake Long a month later. I wonder if had he stayed, he wouldn't have made the same or close -- only 2 years of that $40 mil you know. The Cardinals signed him for scrap money in 2010.....
 
TDX27 said:
Congrats AB and hope to see you at OTA's soon. Hope this was all just a misunderstanding and we can go back to loving you and how you play.
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Amen to that...Congrats on the new baby AB!! Sounds like his agent was being an asshat along with the overzealous NFL talking heads needing some breaking news...

If nothing else, a seed has been planted in the Rooneys' head that AB may be sniffing for a raise... perhaps they work something out discreetly at some point, a restructure/extension as a nod to his on-field performance.
 
FSF said:
You think his helping the Jets with top 5 rushing offense in 2008 outweighed the Super Bowl win?
He was Pro Bowl both years and All Pro 2009 -- but was cut in April 2010 --- so he didn't make it to year 3. I think maybe he got that last one due to reputation.

He spent a lot of time bitching about his contract, which when he signed it -- it was one of the biggest contracts in NFL at that point and of course by 2007 there were others paid more. His record deal in 2008 (40 mil over 5 $21 G) was passed by Jake Long a month later. I wonder if had he stayed, he wouldn't have made the same or close -- only 2 years of that $40 mil you know. The Cardinals signed him for scrap money in 2010.....
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So Mahan making it 1 year out of 5, Simmons making it 2 years out of 5, Colon making it 2 years out of 5, Kemo making it 2 years of 4 and Starks getting tagged and making it 2 out of 4 is a better track record?

The offensive line evaluation and coaching was in shambles. Regardless of whether we paid Faneca or not, he was dead on correct about the dysfunctionality of the offensive line group the minute Cowher/Grimm left.

No one knows what "could have been" had he stayed and we decided to turnover quicker on all those other positions that seemed like a lot of dead weight until the 2010-2012 draft classes. And remember, the decision on Faneca wasn't really made in 2008, it was made in 2007 when we decided to make him finish out his contract rather than make a 5-year deal THEN (when he had 1-year left on his contract). That's like we did with Aaron Smith for example.

Fanaca produced 16-13-9-5 AV according to Football Reference during 2007-2010, which would have been the 4 years of his5-year deal to stay a Steeler into a 3rd contract. That's more production than Aaron Smith (who was in the same situation and re-signed). He accumulated 6-10-2-3-2 in his last 5 seasons and only played/started 42 out of 78 games because of injury. Was THAT a better 3rd contract signing? Farrior accumulated 16-8-10-9 in his playing of 4 out of 5 last seasons in his 3rd contract and I would say that's a very good contract. That's the exact same AV in their last 4 years. Hines Ward signed his 3rd contract and only played 3 more years and accumulated 10-7-3 AV.

I just don't understand the double standard with Faneca. He would have contributed just as much as Farrior and MORE than both Aaron Smith and Hines Ward provided in their 3rd contracts as life-time Steelers, but for some reason because he accurately described the fuckup that was happening to our offensive line philosophy and coaching he gets persecuted in Steeler Nation.

Makes no sense.
 
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I for one agree with you regarding Faneca 100%. He was given a raw deal and the idiots that were running the offensive line managed to win the big game with the worst line we have ever seen on the steelers in recent years. I thought Faneca was correct in his assessment and was given a raw deal because he had the gall to say the emperor had no clothes. There is also the strong possibility he recognized what was on the way for the team and just might not have been ok with no losing season mentality is ok.
 
Only thing is that NONE of us know what happens behind closed doors; we do know Faneca went public & one of reasons that group did so well is they kept so much in house - Ike said as much on NFL Network.

I won't comment on what I don't know -- none of us was in that locker room but I will say that if Faneca or anyone of his stature was setting negative example; well we saw Blounts impact on Bell. They won without him with bad OL but we are in era were all teams have glaring weakness somewhere. Outs was the OL during that time
 
Wingman said:
I for one agree with you regarding Faneca 100%. He was given a raw deal and the idiots that were running the offensive line managed to win the big game with the worst line we have ever seen on the steelers in recent years. I thought Faneca was correct in his assessment and was given a raw deal because he had the gall to say the emperor had no clothes. There is also the strong possibility he recognized what was on the way for the team and just might not have been ok with no losing season mentality is ok.
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The problem with the Faneca situation is that even tho he was right, he went about everything the wrong way. You can't have an OL coach telling you to do one thing, and be the OG vet on the team and do something completely different and have that be a good example to the younger guys on the OL. That was a BIG problem with our OL back then. Two different mentalities clashing. If a coach is telling you to do something, you need to do it for the good of the team. Faneca didn't do that, it didn't help the situation. He had a ****** attitude because Grimm didn't get the HC job. It didn't matter what we offered him, he wasn't going to stay.
 
Antonio Brown is at the Steelers facilities today (per every reporter who covers the team). So I guess we don't have to set ourselves on fire to protest AB's absence or the fact that the Steelers haven't traded him yet...
 
SteelerAl said:
Antonio Brown is at the Steelers facilities today (per every reporter who covers the team). So I guess we don't have to set ourselves on fire to protest AB's absence or the fact that the Steelers haven't traded him yet...
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great news, order is restored
 
If AB does want to chat about his contract with the team, this was a neat way to open the discussion and judge fan reception to a holdout. I doubt this was accidental/mistaken
 
Confluence said:
If AB does want to chat about his contract with the team, this was a neat way to open the discussion and judge fan reception to a holdout. I doubt this was accidental/mistaken
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yeah, it couldn't possibly be a writer who saw a story with no proof and ran with it. That's never happened with the Steelers before...btw, have we traded Ben to the Raiders yet or was it the Texans?
 
insaniti said:
yeah, it couldn't possibly be a writer who saw a story with no proof and ran with it. That's never happened with the Steelers before...btw, have we traded Ben to the Raiders yet or was it the Texans?
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That's gonna leave a mark...

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I can't believe he's holding out...WTF?

Lets draft a couple receivers in the 1st 2 rounds...
 
It's a start, now just string together anothr few years, of showiing up. WhoaLa, contract time.



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