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Analytics And Jarvis Jones

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I'm just going to drop this little bomb in here and run since I know what type of debate it's going to bring. However, here's an article detailing how if the Steelers had used analytics when thinking of drafting Jarvis, they probably would have thought twice. I will admit that I have been hoping for a "breakout" season from Jarvis and this article just adds another punch in gut to those hopes. Take it for what it's worth to you.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2407688-jarvis-jones-and-trade-value-how-football-analytics-can-hack-the-nfl-draft

Edit: Of particular note to me is the prediction of how many sacks Jarvis could be counted on to produce over his first 5 years. It's not one that will make you feel good.
 
not holding breath....wish I had 3 years to get prepared to do a job.

Sorry, in a bad mood and athletes are spoiled *******.
 
Real interesting article and the spider charts look like a good tool that can define measurables quickly and can be easily compared.
 
He is just a player you have to move on from. I realize he won't be cut at camp but if you start him because he was a first round pick you are slitting your own throat. Jeanine Stephens, Chad Scott and Ziggy Hood. He isn't the first nor last bad bust.
 
Jarvis's measurables were terrible, but i could look past that if he had great film. Some guys just don't test well, or they have lingering injuries that hold them back. The problem with Jarvis is that his film was bad too.

I remember being excited at the prospect of getting Jarvis. I had seen a few Georgia games where he had some splash plays, but i didn't focus on him while watching.

When just about every mock had the steelers taking Jarvis, i went to watch his films expecting to be happy about the stud pass rusher the steelers were apparently going to draft.

What i saw shocked me. He was terrible. Yes, he had a bunch of splash plays but when you focused on him you realized that his big plays came in 2 categories. 1. The OT he faced was horrible. 2. He hustled and the QB held the ball way too long and Jarvis eventually got there.

Even in college, when the OT, or even a TE got their hands on Jarvis, he was done. Watch the Alabama game and you see him get his *** kicked. But if you don;t focus on him, you think he had a big game. That's because he got a sack fumble early in the game. Huge play, right? If you watch the play, McCarron hold the ball forever. Jarvis is stoned by the OT but eventually gets past. Eddie Lacy then inexplicably turns his back on Jarvis who then gets a blind hit on the QB. Give him A for effort but a C for pass rush.

In the second half, Bama adjusted their strategy. They stopped blocking Jarvis with an OT, and instead they single blocked him with their mediocre TE which allowed their OT to get to the second level and open up runs. That TE destroyed Jarvis.

Unfortunately, this is exactly what we've seen of him in the NFL. Even 4th string preseason OTs who are 2 weeks away from selling insurance are able to shut Jarvis down easily as soon as they get their hands on him.
 
I am not sure what they saw in Jarvis but it would be interesting to see the other linebackers above and below him in his draft with the stat checker and spider graph applied to them, might make for some interesting comparisons.
 
I'm not defending the pick, but you could also easily find examples of great players with bad combines and bad players with great combines.

This type of analysis lacks "robustness" - for those who have taken research design and analysis classes.
 
Show me some college film where he beats an OT for a sack. Using good form, dip and rip, something! Makes you wonder what they were thinking. SEC Glasses?
 
Haven't given up on the kid, but from what I saw in training camp to add to his body of work during the games he played in was less than impressive.

I am sure few would argue this is a make or break it year for him. The coaches pretty much echoed that with open competition comments.

I will see him up close in training camp, as I think you can see a lot there when you look closely............
 
I just looked at his size and his spinal stenosis and figured he'd never be big enough or strong enough to do well in the NFL.
 
I have given up on him.
 
It might take a player a year, maybe two, to develope. Durring that time, potential is exibited, more and more. Injury can play a role, but sooner or later one must realize, it just isn't there. I would love to be TOTALY wrong on this, but ................



Salute the nation
 
This is make or break year #3 for Uncle Jarvis. If he doesn't show up this season that should be it for him. He might not even beat out 37 year old Harrison for the starting job. How can they have made that pick with the poor combine numbers and really not that impressive tape from Georgia. This was a #1 that we so desperately needed to hit a home run with and by all indications really screwed it up. Makes you wonder had we not drafted this guy at #17 how far would he have fallen?
 
to be fair ... or to just throw a little more salt in the wound ... Many were dead sure that Mingo and Jordan were light years better than Jarvis. So far that hasn't been the case. I think Miami was shopping Jordan at this time last year and Mingo hasn't exactly set the field on fire. Doesn't excuse Jarvis' career so far, but it looks like we wouldn't have been any better off with either of those two.
 
Time to employ the buckshot draft technique, use the first round pick to trade back as many times as possible to amass picks and then hope you hit the target with the buckshot...not like we couldn't live without our recent first rounders.
 
We haven't really seen enough of Jarvis's potential because if injuries, we'll find out this season. His SEC tape was fine, beat some solid tackles including D.J. Fluker in the SEC Championship game. Heard he had hamstring problems at his pro day which effected his performance so I don't put too much stock into Bleacher Analytics.

Bottom line, he needs to hit the weight room this off season, I think Harrison can be a good influence there. With hard work and effort, and a solid coaching organization like the Steelers with guys like Porter to work with I think he'll develop into a solid NFL pass rusher.
 
Steelers1356 said:
We haven't really seen enough of Jarvis's potential because if injuries, we'll find out this season. His SEC tape was fine, beat some solid tackles including D.J. Fluker in the SEC Championship game. Heard he had hamstring problems at his pro day which effected his performance so I don't put too much stock into Bleacher Analytics.

Bottom line, he needs to hit the weight room this off season, I think Harrison can be a good influence there. With hard work and effort, and a solid coaching organization like the Steelers with guys like Porter to work with I think he'll develop into a solid NFL pass rusher.
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He needed to hit the weight room LAST off season too. He even said he KNEW he had to. Not saying he didn't, but if he did, somebody forgot to tell his arms, legs, neck, etc. As much as I want to see Jarvis succeed; because I hate the idea of a busted draft pick, I question whether he would put in the hard work and effort on his own. So I guess it's good that he's working out with the other LBs.
 
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