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Almost half the team did not want to be in the locker room!

Tibs said:
Take that up with the President, send him a postcard or email.
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I have no problems with the president speaking his opinion. everyone should stand for the flag.

I don't have to agree with everything he says, but I do agree with this point.
 
Cras108er said:
Yeah I'm not buying it either. To point #2, he said he "just wanted to see flag." Come on man! You can come up with something better than that.

If he couldn't live with the decision of the team, then don't be part of the team, but don't glory hog at your team's expense.

BTW, I don't care what the decision of the team was. If they'd decided they were all going to go out on the field, I'd say the same thing about anyone who chose to stay back.

FYI, until 2009, teams didn't go out on the field for the National Anthem. It was only after the DOD paid $5M out of their recruitment budget to the NFL to have the players come out as a marketing ploy that they started doing it. So don't give me this crap about him being "compelled" to pay his respects.


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He wished to pay tribune and respect. And that is perfectly fine. There is crap alright but it isn't coming from Big Al.
 
slashsteel said:
Al was walking to the field to pay tribute, he owes nobody a apology. nobody.

Best possible approach is to stand on the ******* field in unity STFU and stand and respect the flag. Then go play football.

That is how you WIN, ignore the political agenda. Just make ever day business as usual.
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And you think you have the right to think for Al?
 
slashsteel said:
damn right I do I served and am entitled to a opinion

and have a half a ******* clue
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Well you might want to try harder at finding that half a clue.

If Al felt he did something wrong and apologizes who are you to say he doesn't need to apologize? You serving has nothing to do with what another man thinks or feels. Self-righteous much?
 
nooneuno said:
Well you might want to try harder at finding that half a clue.

If Al felt he did something wrong and apologizes who are you to say he doesn't need to apologize? You serving has nothing to do with what another man thinks or feels. Self-righteous much?
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He was doing damage control

He is a good man.

He can apologize all he wants

But my opinion is he didn't need to apologize

My opinion deal with it. So yeah I have a clue,go ahead and buy yourself one.
 
slashsteel said:
I have no problems with the president speaking his opinion. everyone should stand for the flag.

I don't have to agree with everything he says, but I do agree with this point.
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I agree with him saying everyone needs to stand for the flag. I don't like the shock factor insult attached to it, not for the POTUS.
 
mdk2 said:
I agree with him saying everyone needs to stand for the flag. I don't like the shock factor insult attached to it, not for the POTUS.
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and you are entitled to that opinion. I just wish everytime he commented it didn't carry onto the football field. Like they would tell me at work, leave that **** at home.
 
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What owner, coach, president, GM, business owner...etc. leaves a decision of this magnitude that directly impacts the image of your team, company, organization...etc up to the employees to decide how they want to handle it? When your team is a direct reflection of yourself, who in their right mind leaves a decision of that magnitude up to their employees to figure out or vote on? If this REALLY went down the way they are all claiming it is a major cop out by Tomlin, Rooney, and Colbert as a way of taking no responsibility or accountability for their actions. Any smart CEO would consult with their legal team, PR firm, HR, and Community leaders to figure out how best to address the situation. Once that is understood, the CEO, HR Department, or a combination of them prepares the company directive from there. So either the entire Steelers management team is inept beyond beyond belief or they did have input and directive on what was happening and hid behind the "players choice" line.
 
Steeler Pride said:
What owner, coach, president, GM, business owner...etc. leaves a decision of this magnitude that directly impacts the image of your team, company, organization...etc up to the employees to decide how they want to handle it? When your team is a direct reflection of yourself, who in their right mind leaves a decision of that magnitude up to their employees to figure out or vote on? If this REALLY went down the way they are all claiming it is a major cop out by Tomlin, Rooney, and Colbert as a way of taking no responsibility or accountability for their actions. Any smart CEO would consult with their legal team, PR firm, HR, and Community leaders to figure out how best to address the situation. Once that is understood, the CEO, HR Department, or a combination of them prepares the company directive from there. So either the entire Steelers management team is inept beyond beyond belief or they did have input and directive on what was happening and hid behind the "players choice" line.
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I take it they wanted them to have a choice in the matter. Not that I don't agree with you.
 
Tibs said:
I'd wager it was the half of the team that had some sort of protest on their minds, be it linking arms, kneeling, what have you.

Since there was no consensus, they elected to stay together in the tunnel. Job well done. Turn the page, get ready for the Ratbirds.
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Tomlin asked for team unity, which really means the majority vote rules, but when it's a personal decision tied in with what you believe outside of football no man should be forced to do such an action.

Those who voted no had their beliefs stopped upon. Chris Hubbard said the was close.

Bad move coach Tomlin. You would be much better off letting the very few who wanted to protest take a knee do it. Has any Steeler ever taken a knee?
 
Coach said:
Tomlin asked for team unity, which really means the majority vote rules, but when it's a personal decision tied in with what you believe outside of football no man should be forced to do such an action.

Those who voted no had their beliefs stopped upon. Chris Hubbard said the was close.

Bad move coach Tomlin. You would be much better off letting the very few who wanted to protest take a knee do it. Has any Steeler ever taken a knee?
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to me, unity would have been locking arms together, each player, coach and staff member on the sidelines. Nothing is more unified than that.
 
Cras108er said:
I'm disappointed that there continues to be discussion about this. Tomlin had the right approach. The TEAM makes a decision, and then the individuals support the team.

When I saw Villanueva in the tunnel, I thought to myself that he had thrown his teammates under the bus. There were others who probably felt the way he did, but as a TEAM they decided how THEY would respond. Villanueva has been in the military. He knows you don't go rogue. I do believe he owes his teammates an apology.

Chris Hubbard spoke about the vote, and how many people voted for and against. He has no business talking about a decision hat was made behind closed doors to the media/public. The team chose to handle it the way they did to avoid putting anyone. HE owes his teammates an apology too.

Finally, Ben is now saying that he didn't agree, and felt that they should have gone on the field. Sorry, but you address those issues in house, but when you step out that door, you present a United front.

As a 20 year military veteran, I thought the Steelers took the best possible approach out of a unwinnable situation. I'm really disappointed in how this has been handled subsequently. It really makes me question the cohesion on the team.


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I get what your saying, but Al put his life on the line. If anything his teammates should have respected that more than any of the other outside BS or the team could have made a different statement. They could have said something like "given Als unique situation we support his decision to go out there." Then you wouldn't have this other BS. Seems like some players were really torn and could have effected their mindset / performance.
 
AmericanSteeler said:
I just watched Villenueva take ALL the blame for the outrage against the Steelers. This has added insult to injury. And in his statement he was clear that there were many other players who would have been there with him if they had known he made the decision to go out there. Therefore, there was something said to the team as a whole that made them believe they could not or should not go.
To bring in another thread regarding the NFL players handbook which clearly indicates the expectations for players to be on the field and standing during the anthem.... For those who are making this such a "bad, bad, Trump" issue- has it occurred to those folks that when Trump suggested the league and owner fire players who do not stand that he is supporting an employer following through on the commitment/contract made with a player, ,which the player has broken. These entitled idiots think they can do anything with no fallout on themselves. In my job it I were to deliberately fail to follow the mandates laid out by my supervisor- and signed off by me as I assume the players did as well- I would be fired.
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The players being out there is part of a marketing strategy. It helps military recruitment. As I posted in another thread the Pentagon pays millions to the NFL to do the whole anthem thing.

Like I said in that thread get rid of it completely, problem solved.
 
These players are sure back stepping. If so many did not want to be involved than why did they not go on the field. If this falls under Tomlin than he has taken away their rights and should be investigated. Tomlin again showed himself at press conference and it has all back fired. He has lied to fans on who did what and why. He disrespected not only a veteran that wanted to stand for what he believed, as Tomlin said he wanted all to be together and he also took away the rights of the ones that wanted no part in the demonstration. Once more it is Tuesday and the Steelers are involved in the how and what to demonstrate instead of the football game.
 
Pittsburgh Steelers QB Roethlisberger Regrets National Anthem Protest

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said Monday that he regrets participating in his team's Sunday protest of the national anthem.

Roethlisberger released a statement in which he said that he does not "believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest"

http://freebeacon.com/culture/roethl...grets-protest/

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