After Ben
- Thread starter Irondiesel58
- Start date
Screw that, we need to use every draft pick and up coming off season to try to win now while we have Ben.
Here is the problem. You want a franchise QB you have to sacrifice a pick that could help you win it all now.
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 9,394
- Reaction score
- 6,217
- Points
- 113
Doesn't that depend upon how you feel about this administrations ability to use that pick wisely for another position?
Screw drafting. Once Ben retires, we can trade for Flacco!
"With their first pick in the 2017 draft, the Steelers select Lamar Jackson. Louisville ."
MAylock, "I really like this kid, blah blah blah blah,, he reminds me of bla bla bla bla..he can step in and bla bla bla, yada yada yad."
MAylock, "I really like this kid, blah blah blah blah,, he reminds me of bla bla bla bla..he can step in and bla bla bla, yada yada yad."
no thank you
P
POP
Guest
I agree, but that being said we MUST get in a better back up than Landry ******* Jones. As we saw vs. the Pats, he gets terrible when crunch time hits. He looked semi-OK until it mattered, and then he just imploded.
P
POP
Guest
No thanks. A repeat of Kordell.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2014
- Messages
- 1,508
- Reaction score
- 1,838
- Points
- 113
I realize it's only college ball, but has anyone noticed how the "franchise QB" at Penn State left and the team became better overnight? All of a sudden they're 9-2, scoring nearly 36 points a game, upsetting a second-ranked team for the first time in decades, with a defense that lost most of their starting defensive linemen. Call it coaching, call it compensating for a less talented QB, but the team overall became better. A franchise QB makes everyone's job a lot easier but it isn't the be-all, end-all of having a great team. I think it's fair to ask if we even have a franchise QB half the time. Ben has been very ordinary on the road lately and poor coaching has made it even more obvious. Personally, I'd rather have a great coach than a great QB.
You must not remember the Mark Malone, Bubby Brister, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, Kent Graham, or Tommy Maddux days to well. Ben will be in the HOF after his career is over and his play covers up some extremely inept coaching.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2014
- Messages
- 1,508
- Reaction score
- 1,838
- Points
- 113
Actually, I do remember
Ben is light years ahead of that group but Mark Malone, Bubby Brister, and Kordell Stewart all took us into the playoffs and won playoff games, Malone and Stewart took us to the AFC Championship game. None of them would remotely be considered franchise QBs, but they were adequate when the rest of the team held up their end. Ben was abysmal in losses to Philadelphia, Miami, and Baltimore and the only away game in which he cracked 100 in QB rating was the opener against Washington.
Ben is light years ahead of that group but Mark Malone, Bubby Brister, and Kordell Stewart all took us into the playoffs and won playoff games, Malone and Stewart took us to the AFC Championship game. None of them would remotely be considered franchise QBs, but they were adequate when the rest of the team held up their end. Ben was abysmal in losses to Philadelphia, Miami, and Baltimore and the only away game in which he cracked 100 in QB rating was the opener against Washington.
Malone, Brister, and especially Stewart benefited from having a solid defense that they rode the coat tails on. Our game plan in Philly, Miami, and especially in Baltimore were beyond idiotic. Ray Charles, Helen Keller, and Stevie Wonder could have combined forces and come up with a better game plan. Had we let Ben go no huddle and call the plays earlier against the Raven and we probably win that game. He was also over 120 QBR against the Chiefs, Jets, and Cowboys as well so that last stat of yours was just a little bit off as well.
http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/gamelogs
Just A Fan
Registered
- Joined
- May 10, 2015
- Messages
- 73
- Reaction score
- 23
- Points
- 8
Thank You. I was losing faith in my Steeler brethren as multiple people used that word wrong.
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2014
- Messages
- 35,987
- Reaction score
- 40,894
- Points
- 113
- Location
- between $2 short & ten buck two
I agree knowing there is a fine line. OUR coaching can't even put a long term team on the field that has above the line talent. Also our coaching can't seem to come up with an OBVIOUS game plan or make any in game adjustments.
Salute the nation
- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 11,264
- Reaction score
- 15,710
- Points
- 113
Very level-headed viewpoint.
Ben ******** the bed in each of the Steeler losses both demonstrates the need for a franchise QB and how having one in his prime is still problematic, and needs to be overcome by good coaching.
That has not happened this season.
- Joined
- Sep 7, 2014
- Messages
- 1,508
- Reaction score
- 1,838
- Points
- 113
I was talking away game stats - He only got above 100 against Washington - Philly, 62.4; Miami, 57.1; Baltimore, 67.3; even the win at Cleveland he was only 74.7.
Did you watch the Cleveland game, where our game plan was to run - run - and run some more. Which Bell did to the tune of over 200 combined yards. Who cares what your QB rating is when you can eat thru the clock and run the ball at will. Baltimore was the worst game plan ever that played right into the Ravens strengths. Once we changed up the game plan Ben was 9/13 for 156 yards and 2 TD. Philly was an awful game for everyone. Miami, once again, a team that has been abused by the run and we refuse to give Bell the ball. If you set your players up to fail and they fail, is it the players fault for failing or the coaches for having a bad game plan?
Way ahead of yourself. GREAT QB play until 38/40 now days. Ben is 33. I fully expect him to play and play well for at least 5 more years. I'd say when Ben is about 37 You might start looking. That's 4 years away.
I actually think Ben is hitting his best years right now and will be hot for at least 4 to 5 years
- Joined
- Apr 21, 2014
- Messages
- 13,580
- Reaction score
- 18,641
- Points
- 113
The Landry Jones pick was stupid because it was a high pick on a QB when Ben obviously has so many years left. Look at how long QBs are playing now because you aren't allowed to touch them. Ben should be able to play until he's 40.
I'm all for drafting a late round QB to develop, but i can't see spending a high pick on a QB until you think Ben has 1 or 2 years left. That was the mistake with Landry. Even if Landry looked great, so what? He'd be getting ready to leave town as a free agent and the Steelers would still have Ben at QB and still need a backup QB.
When you look at the draft, most successful starters are 1st rounders. You can make a chicken or the egg argument i guess. Do 1st rounders succeed because they are that much better or because the team gives them more chances with playing time and coaching?
The point is, that if you don't draft a QB high then you are just as likely to hit paydirt with a 6th rounder as a 3rd rounder. That's what the steelers should do. Draft a late round guy and hope to get lucky. Then when Ben is close to done, you trade up, do whatever it takes and land yourself that 1st round stud.
I'm all for drafting a late round QB to develop, but i can't see spending a high pick on a QB until you think Ben has 1 or 2 years left. That was the mistake with Landry. Even if Landry looked great, so what? He'd be getting ready to leave town as a free agent and the Steelers would still have Ben at QB and still need a backup QB.
When you look at the draft, most successful starters are 1st rounders. You can make a chicken or the egg argument i guess. Do 1st rounders succeed because they are that much better or because the team gives them more chances with playing time and coaching?
The point is, that if you don't draft a QB high then you are just as likely to hit paydirt with a 6th rounder as a 3rd rounder. That's what the steelers should do. Draft a late round guy and hope to get lucky. Then when Ben is close to done, you trade up, do whatever it takes and land yourself that 1st round stud.
His name is Maddox.
He's 45 and has been out of football for more than 10 years. Wouldn't be much help now.
Landry and Prescott were both taken in the 4th round. Just sayin...
Landry Jones was a pretty darn good college QB. Not all QB's, even first rounders make it in the NFL. When Landry came out, I thought he would be better than he currently is. Perhaps he didn't have the right coach and perhaps he just didn't have the smarts. He did have the arm strength and mobility to make it in the NFL. Picking a franchise QB (not that they had that in mind for Landry) is not an exact science. It's probably the hardest position to draft for in the NFL.