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[Fiji Mariner]

Insert ProBowl photo of Big Dot here!

Strange that it’s almost like the HC loves to play linemen out of position (AND the OL coach has sucked as of late-he can’t catch the stray for Dot tho)

 

[jitter77]

Steelers are dead last in the league in YPC since Leveon Bell.
Dead Last over the last 6 seasons.
Can't put all the blame on Harris considering the line and the coaching but the facts are
Conner was 4.3 ypc in Pittsburgh
Warren is 4.8 ypc
Najee at 3.9 while durable and a good locker room guy, is never going to be the answer.
6.7 million option was just too steep considering his production and the 2025 RB class.

Conner did much better elsewhere while Bell was awful after leaving here. Warren is more a 3rd down or change of pace back. If Warren's runs were telegraphed and running into stacked boxes his ypc would be much lower. Bell was playing with a real offense and better line. Bell might have had negative ypc if he was running behind our current line and his hesitation style. Conner ran all over us in our last game against AZ. Our line / blocking scheme / offensive philosophy is pure garbage right now. No QB / RB has a chance. I just don't see it changing with our current leadership.

 

[insaniti]

Bell also sat out an entire year, and then chased the money and went to a HORRIBLE Jets team. He was set up to fail from the start.

 

[BringBackBubby]

It is hard to argue a 1000 yard guy, that was always healthy. I am glad he is gone though. He is toooooo slow .... he took forever to get to the line to already have missed the hole, and stand there and dance. Yes our line was bad, and our offense has been as predictable as water is wet...it was not all his fault for sure. It sure didn't help his case much when the whole world was watching Warren run right through where he was supposed to go while the line held a hole for a split second ( possibly on accident ) . Good luck to the guy, if he somehow starts running like a bulldozer he could be.....ahhh the mind wanders... wonders.......

 

[Badcat]

Conner did much better elsewhere while Bell was awful after leaving here. Warren is more a 3rd down or change of pace back. If Warren's runs were telegraphed and running into stacked boxes his ypc would be much lower. Bell was playing with a real offense and better line. Bell might have had negative ypc if he was running behind our current line and his hesitation style. Conner ran all over us in our last game against AZ. Our line / blocking scheme / offensive philosophy is pure garbage right now. No QB / RB has a chance. I just don't see it changing with our current leadership.

After much contemplation, this is exactly why I want AAron Rogers to sign with the Steelers. Any and all other QBs are going to buy into this bullshit MT offensive (dont throw in the danger zone) nightmare and we're back to another mediocre season. Russ lit up the Bengals to the tune of 44 points and Muth had his best game of the season, if not his NFL career, and it all went away once Russ was neutered. Russ don't want to play the game and was vocal about it and Tomlin don't want him back. If Rogers comes in, he's the defunct OC and will call the majority of the plays. That might be the best thing for the Steelers, honestly.

 

[bigben]

Conner did much better elsewhere while Bell was awful after leaving here. Warren is more a 3rd down or change of pace back. If Warren's runs were telegraphed and running into stacked boxes his ypc would be much lower. Bell was playing with a real offense and better line. Bell might have had negative ypc if he was running behind our current line and his hesitation style. Conner ran all over us in our last game against AZ. Our line / blocking scheme / offensive philosophy is pure garbage right now. No QB / RB has a chance. I just don't see it changing with our current leadership.

Conner 4.3 ypc pitt, 4.4 ypc in arizona.
Warren 4.8 ypc career.
To speculate Bell would be worse than Warren and Harris in the same situation is hilarious. You do realize Bell Had more scrimmage yards per game than any other RB in history when he was in Pittsburgh?
Warren a journeyman UDFA was given a chance, and took Najee's Job, despite the Line, Scheme and coaching.

 

[bigben]

It is hard to argue a 1000 yard guy, that was always healthy. I am glad he is gone though. He is toooooo slow .... he took forever to get to the line to already have missed the hole, and stand there and dance. Yes our line was bad, and our offense has been as predictable as water is wet...it was not all his fault for sure. It sure didn't help his case much when the whole world was watching Warren run right through where he was supposed to go while the line held a hole for a split second ( possibly on accident ) . Good luck to the guy, if he somehow starts running like a bulldozer he could be.....ahhh the mind wanders... wonders.......

Out of 32 teams in the league not 1 team felt he was worth more $ than Jaylen Warren signed for in Pittsburgh.
If somehow Najee turns it around, every team in the league was wrong for not signing him for 5.25 million, and he will get paid next year.
We'll see

 

[insaniti]

Conner 4.3 ypc pitt, 4.4 ypc in arizona.
Warren 4.8 ypc career.
To speculate Bell would be worse than Warren and Harris in the same situation is hilarious. You do realize Bell Had more scrimmage yards per game than any other RB in history when he was in Pittsburgh?
Warren a journeyman UDFA was given a chance, and took Najee's Job, despite the Line, Scheme and coaching.

I'll just copy and paste this here for you. I posted this months ago in another Najee thread.

I have irrefutable proof that comparing Najee and Warren as apples to apples is not only wrong, it's flat out insane. This should settle to be honest.

Snap counts, Najee Harris 587, Jaylen Warren 473
Rush Attempts, Najee Harris, 263, Jaylen Warren 120

In other words, 44% of the plays that Najee was on the field for were run plays. 25% of the plays that Warren was on the field for were run plays. Even if they alternate series (which they don't), they use them in COMPLETELY different ways. And it's really not even close.

Out of 32 teams in the league not 1 team felt he was worth more $ than Jaylen Warren signed for in Pittsburgh.
If somehow Najee turns it around, every team in the league was wrong for not signing him for 5.25 million, and he will get paid next year.
We'll see

You do understand the chargers signed Najee for one year 9.25m. Warren under his tender is one year 5.2m. 9.25>5.2

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Part of the reason they used them in different ways was that Jaylen was a better pass blocker, so he was the obvious choice for pass sets…and Jaylen may be able to pick up a 3rd and 8 on a draw where ya know Naj ain’t getting more than 4.

They definitely had different roles

The better comparison will come if Jaylen get the majority of 1st and 2nd down reps this year…you know the run/ run part of the run/run/pass/punt offense

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Part of the reason they used them in different ways was that Jaylen was a better pass blocker, so he was the obvious choice for pass sets…and Jaylen may be able to pick up a 3rd and 8 on a draw where ya know Naj ain’t getting more than 4.

They definitely had different roles

The better comparison will come if Jaylen get the majority of 1st and 2nd down reps this year…you know the run/ run part of the run/run/pass/punt offense

Hopefully, and I know you will laugh, we will keep using him like we did and not revert to using him like Najee. If we do the offense will look a whole lot better and less predictable. Now laugh away.

 

[Confluence]

I'll just copy and paste this here for you. I posted this months ago in another Najee thread.

I have irrefutable proof that comparing Najee and Warren as apples to apples is not only wrong, it's flat out insane. This should settle to be honest.

Snap counts, Najee Harris 587, Jaylen Warren 473
Rush Attempts, Najee Harris, 263, Jaylen Warren 120

In other words, 44% of the plays that Najee was on the field for were run plays. 25% of the plays that Warren was on the field for were run plays. Even if they alternate series (which they don't), they use them in COMPLETELY different ways. And it's really not even close.


You do understand the chargers signed Najee for one year 9.25m. Warren under his tender is one year 5.2m. 9.25>5.2

I read that $4M is performance bonuses in Najee's total possible earnings, and that he's only counting $5.25M against the cap.

 

[MT~Forged]

I don't get the Khan hate. He has to work with Tomlin, it's part of the dynamic that's always been here. Everyone saying that he's not a talent evaluator, forgets that Andy Weidl is the assistant GM and has a lot to say with talent evaluation... but I'm failing to see where this mess has anything to do with Khan or Weidl? Two solid drafts so far, he can't tell Tomlin WHERE to play the guys he gets him.

Preach on Brother

He went out and upgraded the ILB room, and then we got hit with a string of season ending injuries that put us in scramble mode. So last offseason, he addresses it again with Queen, but Tomlin and his 2 DL system is the problem.

Yes, he did, you can't prevent injuries

Last year everyone was all in with the Brandon Ayuik trade, and it didn't happen. This year, he makes the trade, and now he's out of touch.

He seemed to be active all year trying to get that #2. Tried in FA, but no one was interested, Drafted a WR that got hurt, worked throughout the year to upgrade. The problem was that TOMLIN refused to use who he was given. Wilson was ignored because he got hurt early, Williams was never really utilized.

Yes we are in QB hell, but Colbert and Tomlin created that mess long before Khan took over. Najee and Pickett were Colbert guys, not Khan guys...and they are both gone now. I just don't get the Khan hate...

I don't get this either. Kahn has lead the Draft in the last 2 years and has made more impact that the 5 years before that. I don't know how much input Tomlin has, but would expect it to be significant because of his 19-year tenure. I hope to see Kahn do well again this year, he is NOT THE PROBLEM.

 

[MT~Forged]

I always liked Harris, but he was taken too early. Not in the Draft, because that is debatable, because they needed to rebuild the OL first. If they had drafted the C and another OL the year they picked Harris and gotten Harris the following year, it could have worked.

As far as Harris' production in the games, I liken it to when my son played RB in High School. The Coach used to do the same thing Tomlin does, run him right into the teeth of the defense. I always used to ask him if he saw the holes in other spots, and he said he did, and pointed it out in film study. BUT, he said the Coach called the play to hole X, and that was what he did. He was never one to intentionally ignore what he was being told to do. It used to drive me crazy, but I taught him to respect the Coach's position and do as he was told, so I could only blame myself.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Hopefully, and I know you will laugh, we will keep using him like we did and not revert to using him like Najee. If we do the offense will look a whole lot better and less predictable. Now laugh away.

Would love to see a less predictable offense, but I’m not sure who is gonna play the Najee role if Jaylen doesn’t. Are we signing Chubb or drafting a RB early?

I’m even coming around to the fact that the smug faced, tripping QB a a Ron may even be coming to town…for way too much $$$

The combo of him driving Mike’s car with GP and DK as the primaries will quite possibly be just the
Comic gold that finally takes this team to a
Playoff win and the instant 3 year extension that’s built into Milke’s contract when he finally gets that playoff win.

It’s gonna either be a **** show laugh riot, a Super Bowl or the most depressing season in a decade…and I’m here for the unpredictable cuz the last few seasons have hit a level of predictability that I’ve never seen. At least surprise me once in a while Steelers.

 

[stillwright]

I’ll put my 2cents here. “When the chips were down last year season on line”. They gave to ball to their #1 RB. A great test to see if they saw anything in him for their future. At the time of the year a big bruising foul weather back is supposed to shine. Let’s see how brightly he shone.

Eagles game…..6 attempts for 14 yards
Ravens game 9-45
KC game. 13-74. ( 45 of those yards were with 3 minutes to go in the game with the Steelers way behind and KC playing in pass mode for Defense) He did sweet **** all for the rest of the game.
Cincinnati. 12-36.
Ravens. 6-17.

Look ,I get it wasn’t all Naj. But c’mon. He was average at best in our system. I thought we wanted to get better not stay the same. He was definitely replaceable. I just don’t get what I’m not seeing. It was high time to move on. Even if he has more success with the Chargers,it just wasn’t happening here.

Maybe it is simply time to move on from the HC.....if we are moving on from something.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Would love to see a less predictable offense, but I’m not sure who is gonna play the Najee role if Jaylen doesn’t. Are we signing Chubb or drafting a RB early?

I’m even coming around to the fact that the smug faced, tripping QB a a Ron may even be coming to town…for way too much $$$

The combo of him driving Mike’s car with GP and DK as the primaries will quite possibly be just the
Comic gold that finally takes this team to a
Playoff win and the instant 3 year extension that’s built into Milke’s contract when he finally gets that playoff win.

It’s gonna either be a **** show laugh riot, a Super Bowl or the most depressing season in a decade…and I’m here for the unpredictable cuz the last few seasons have hit a level of predictability that I’ve never seen. At least surprise me once in a while Steelers.

I was suggesting we be creative and no one fills the Najee role of being a crash test dummy. Whoever is the primary back needs to be used more like Warren was used in that you didn’t know if he was blocking running or catching a pass. It is probably the reason his yards per carry were so high. Najee was used poorly.

 

[Steelmann]

Maybe it is simply time to move on from the HC.....if we are moving on from something.

lol….ive been convinced of that since January 8th 2012. 13 years later and it’s still the same old **** over and over. Wash,rinse,repeat,wash,,repeat. How anyone sees differently is beyond my mental capacity.
We are in shambles folks.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I was suggesting we be creative and no one fills the Najee role of being a crash test dummy. Whoever is the primary back needs to be used more like Warren was used in that you didn’t know if he was blocking running or catching a pass. It is probably the reason his yards per carry were so high. Najee was used poorly.

Interested to see how Najee looks with LAC
Seemed like a good dude in a bad situation
Wish him well when not playing us

 

[bigben]

I'll just copy and paste this here for you. I posted this months ago in another Najee thread.

I have irrefutable proof that comparing Najee and Warren as apples to apples is not only wrong, it's flat out insane. This should settle to be honest.

Snap counts, Najee Harris 587, Jaylen Warren 473
Rush Attempts, Najee Harris, 263, Jaylen Warren 120

In other words, 44% of the plays that Najee was on the field for were run plays. 25% of the plays that Warren was on the field for were run plays. Even if they alternate series (which they don't), they use them in COMPLETELY different ways. And it's really not even close.


You do understand the chargers signed Najee for one year 9.25m. Warren under his tender is one year 5.2m. 9.25>5.2

The Chargers signed Harris for 5,250,000 guaranteed $
Warren 5,346,000 Guaranteed $
I have irrefutable proof Warrens production has been better. Besides the cold hard statistics, The Steelers gave him the contract.
For more guaranteed $ than Harris got.

 

[bigben]

I’ll put my 2cents here. “When the chips were down last year season on line”. They gave to ball to their #1 RB. A great test to see if they saw anything in him for their future. At the time of the year a big bruising foul weather back is supposed to shine. Let’s see how brightly he shone.

Eagles game…..6 attempts for 14 yards
Ravens game 9-45
KC game. 13-74. ( 45 of those yards were with 3 minutes to go in the game with the Steelers way behind and KC playing in pass mode for Defense) He did sweet **** all for the rest of the game.
Cincinnati. 12-36.
Ravens. 6-17.

Look ,I get it wasn’t all Naj. But c’mon. He was average at best in our system. I thought we wanted to get better not stay the same. He was definitely replaceable. I just don’t get what I’m not seeing. It was high time to move on. Even if he has more success with the Chargers,it just wasn’t happening here.

Facts don't lie
There is not another starting RB in the league with similar touches/ games started that has more games under 50 yards rushing, and less games over 100yds than Harris.
I doubt there has been a RB in NFL history that has more games under 50 and less over 100.
If there is somebody can prove me wrong.
I'll wait

 

[insaniti]

The Chargers signed Harris for 5,250,000 guaranteed $
Warren 5,346,000 Guaranteed $
I have irrefutable proof Warrens production has been better. Besides the cold hard statistics, The Steelers gave him the contract.
For more guaranteed $ than Harris got.

Actually, the Steelers have only signed Gainwell. Warren hasn't signed his tender offer yet. Najee's incentives are yardage based, he'll get those in the Chargers system, and Warren will remain the change of pace back for the RB1 that we draft this year. That is, if he even signs the tender...

 

[Fiji Mariner]

He’ll sign the tender
That’s a lotta coin compared to what he’s made so far and the other option is to not play for it which equals zero

 

[insaniti]

He’ll sign the tender
That’s a lotta coin compared to what he’s made so far and the other option is to not play for it which equals zero

He's still free to negotiate with other teams until he signs that tender. Teams would just have to give up a 2nd round pick to us if they did sign him. Since he hasn't signed it yet, I think he's looking for a longer term deal, and wants to know his role, which the Steelers might not know until after the draft.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

He's still free to negotiate with other teams until he signs that tender. Teams would just have to give up a 2nd round pick to us if they did sign him. Since he hasn't signed it yet, I think he's looking for a longer term deal, and wants to know his role, which the Steelers might not know until after the draft.

Fully realize that he can seek a deal elsewhere

Also realize other teams won’t give a 2nd for Jaylen, but sure find out your market value isn’t a team giving up a 2nd for you

A team would simply draft a 2nd round RB of likely higher ceiling and have control of said back for 4 years for about the price of Jaylen for 1 year

But it only takes 1 dumbazz GM so there’s always a chance…be it microscopic as it may in this scenario

 

[Lloyd]

Facts don't lie
There is not another starting RB in the league with similar touches/ games started that has more games under 50 yards rushing, and less games over 100yds than Harris.
I doubt there has been a RB in NFL history that has more games under 50 and less over 100.
If there is somebody can prove me wrong.
I'll wait

But he got over 1,000 yards 4 years in a row, it must be bc he's so good, not due primarily from repetition or anything. After all, Najee was an Art II pick, he had to be right. Come hell or high water he was. He thought he was getting a Derrick Henry, no one had the balls to admit he instead drafted a a Trent Richardson. And he rode the Najee bus for 4 straight years to prove he was right. You were wrong, Art. Najee was no Derrick Henry, no where close.