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A possible red flag on Durpee

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A possible red flag on Dupree

The NFL prospects take the wonderlic. I actually had to take the test for a high tech job scored a 38, which codes as upper level green. In terms of football, I really do not worry much on scores between 17-30, unless its under 20 and its a QB. However it was reported that Dupree scored a 13. This is worrisome as other scouting reports hinted he was slow to learn, and his reads on the field were a little slow. This could possible explain why an A+ physical specimen didn't play to the ability that he had. Our defense was rather complex to learn...so I read.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...d-Dupree/d87ad20f-d294-4926-82b3-24cc8cd76899
 
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I think we've actually had some pretty dumb OLB's in the past that worked.

I doubt Harrison's or Porter's or Lloyd's wonderlic scores would set the world on fire....
 
Coach said:
The NFL prospects take the wonderlic. I actually had to take the test for a high tech job scored a 38, which codes as upper level green. In terms of football, I really do not worry much on scores between 17-30, unless its under 20 and its a QB. However it was reported that Durpee scored a 13. This is worrisome as other scouting reports hinted he was slow to learn, and his reads on the field were a little slow. This could possible explain why an A+ physical specimen didn't play to the ability that he had. Our defense was rather complex to learn...so I read.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...d-Dupree/d87ad20f-d294-4926-82b3-24cc8cd76899
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Seems odd that someone who stayed behind at school to continue to work out and finish his education would have scored that low. I know you don't really have to be smart to get a college education, so finishing the degree doesn't mean he should have scored higher, but the drive to work as hard as he did to finish the degree and get ready for the NFL doesn't jive with someone of lower intelligence.
 
Coach said:
The NFL prospects take the wonderlic. I actually had to take the test for a high tech job scored a 38, which codes as upper level green. In terms of football, I really do not worry much on scores between 17-30, unless its under 20 and its a QB. However it was reported that Durpee scored a 13. This is worrisome as other scouting reports hinted he was slow to learn, and his reads on the field were a little slow. This could possible explain why an A+ physical specimen didn't play to the ability that he had. Our defense was rather complex to learn...so I read.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...d-Dupree/d87ad20f-d294-4926-82b3-24cc8cd76899
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The kid will receive his bachelor's degree in 4 days. Yeah, he's pretty damned stupid.
Also, here's an article for you about how well the wonderlic (a 70 something year old test) predicts intelligence and/or success on the football field. Hint: not much. Full disclosure: it seems like the daughter is trying to push her own test to supplant her father's. However, valid points about the wonderlic's efficiency are raised.

Kathy Kolbe is very proud of her father's accomplishments in developing cognitive testing in the 1930s and 40s. Eldon Wonderlic, who developed the Wonderlic test given to every football player attending the annual NFL Scouting Combine, has had his cognitive test used for far longer than other tests developed around that time.

But Kolbe says that's the problem with the test itself: Time and the cognitive testing field have made huge strides in the meantime. The Wonderlic, as a result, has become outdated, surpassed by much better cognitive testing tools. Innovative as it was for its time, it shouldn't be used today.

The NFL, though, continues to stick by the test it has deployed since the 1970s, even as evidence mounts that there's no correlation between high scores and on-field success. As Kolbe explains to CBS Sports, she developed her own test -- the Kolbe Index -- as an update to past cognitive testing tools used, and to better identify potential strengths in prospective employees -- in the NFL's case, football players.

Kolbe said that the biggest problem with her father's test is that there are inherent socioeconomic biases -- the test essentially measures how well you have been educated, not your intelligence or potential. That, and other factors, are why it has produced uneven results among NFL players.
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http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/eye-performance/201504/daughter-wonderlic-creator-test-doesnt-work-nfl-dismisses

Based upon your posts, it seems like you WANT the kid to be dumb as a box of rocks. Yet, other than an outdated test that doesn't actually test what it purports to, there is no evidence to support your opinion.

Instead, the Wonderlic continues to pass judgment without any pretense of accuracy. Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw both scored terribly on the Wonderlic with reported scores of 15. Both are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame now. Marino ended his career as the all-time NFL passing yards leader. Bradshaw has four Super Bowl rings.
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Those lower than 17-20 scores that Marino and Bradshaw put up ... hmmm, I guess they weren't smart enough to read a freaking defense. Poor guys. If only they had scored higher on the MF WONDERLIC; they would have been Hall Of Famers.
 
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deljzc said:
I think we've actually had some pretty dumb OLB's in the past that worked.

I doubt Harrison's or Porter's or Lloyd's wonderlic scores would set the world on fire....
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Unknown. Anything under 15 is basically an illiterate or very slow person. Harrison has the strength of a bull and used leverage to the max. Porter was a DB in a linebacker's body. A dual threat as a pass rusher or coverage person. Lloyd hit and intimidated like Mike Tyson, and forced many fumbles.

I don't think Dupree will be this good as these three. I see him as a very good run defender who's scheme flexible ( base 3-4, nickel, dime ) that will offer a good but not great pass rush.
 
ark steel said:
Seems odd that someone who stayed behind at school to continue to work out and finish his education would have scored that low. I know you don't really have to be smart to get a college education, so finishing the degree doesn't mean he should have scored higher, but the drive to work as hard as he did to finish the degree and get ready for the NFL doesn't jive with someone of lower intelligence.
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I saw a special on Real Sports. Colleges are not honest with grades for Athletes. They cheat and lie for them. Not saying UK is doing this type of stuff. I am saying its out there. Dupree has good football character according to what I read.
 
Ive had former classmates that were dumber then a box of rocks but they were athletic and could dominate on a football field. Lets not get crazy here....its football, not open-heart surgery.
 
He could have been excited and nervous after being picked by the Steelers, but he didn't seem like the brightest bulb of the bunch. Maybe he doesn't interview well, didn't know what to say, but he is going to be playing football. He's not being paid to be a rocket scientist. He'll be fine. Seems like a good guy.
 
His coaches raved about him to anyone who would listen. I doubt he is not intelligent enough to succeed in the NFL.
 
coach took the wonderlic for a high tech job?

sometimes I get my trolls mixed up. he's one though, right?
 
So Dupree is in the Kordell Wonderlic zone. Good thing he ain't a quarterback.
 
Btw, the kids name is Dupree, not Durpee ... that would cost you a couple of points on an intelligence test.
 
"However it was reported that Durpee scored a 13."

Pun intended?
 
Coach said:
I saw a special on Real Sports. Colleges are not honest with grades for Athletes. They cheat and lie for them. Not saying UK is doing this type of stuff. I am saying its out there. Dupree has good football character according to what I read.
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I did not consider this, but I'm not sure it affects my basic premise, since it wasn't based upon what his grades actually are, but the will to put forth as much effort as he did. I feel like someone with a lower intelligence would probably say "**** it, I don't need this."
 
They say 10 is the literate level. Kelvin Benjamin had a 7 last year. Frank Gore a 6. It hasn't affected them.
 
I think one of Duprees problem in college was he tried reading too much and not reacting. I think Porter will coach him up to just react during the play and any reading you do is pre-snap. Commit to it whether it succeeds or fails. I saw glimpses of that with JJ prior to getting injured. He was reacting and not reading after the snap. This to me is a make or break year for JJ but in the first three games before he was injured he had 2 sacks. So if Porter can keep on him and do anything with JJ I will feel good what he can do with an athlete like Dupree.
 
The Wonderlic is a pretty challenging exam -- Coach if you scored a 38 that's fetching impressive.

I've taken it for jobs in the past and never have rec'vd the scored results; though I did inquire. I hardly believe it has any relevance to understanding football or many other professions; certain minds are taylored to handle that exam; heck even myself with the math I have to take a little more time to figure it out myself and under the time constraints I've been stumped halfway through it.
 
as long as he puts the effort to learn technique I doubt he fails his draft status. He'll be a run stuffer with the speed to rush the QB and also cover TEs
 
Up until the week of the first game his freshman year Dupree was a TE. Maybe that has something to do with his instincts being a little slow. He is still learning the position.
 
I'm not worried about the Wonderlic for an OLB
 
The tests are multiple choice, some people guess better than others on questions they do not know. A savant might do real well on that test yet could not safely cross a street. I suspect that test like many others is one measure of a persons intelligence but not the only one. Some folks also have problems with reading comprehension but do well when presented with visual information. I doubt he will need to be able to solve for vector quantities on the football field or do time distance analysis or algebra.

I would suggest taking the test results with a grain of salt and realizing there are other indications of intelligence regarding this young man that might also be applicable in this instance.
 
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