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2015 DeAngelo Williams vs 2017 Bell

Think outside the box. SIGN AND TRADE.

I think Bell is overrated, but let's say your correct? Who wouldn't offer two first round picks for " Generational Player "? :)

Like I said before, I'd trade him for Barkley if he's on the board, or the highest offer. A 1st, 2rd and 6th for Bell, okay with me as long as its in the upper portion of the round.

For example, let's say Tampa Bay ( who really needs a back now that Martin is gone ) take this deal. They have the 7th overall pick.

Our draft could look like this:

1 ) Safety, Fitzpatrick.
1b (our pick) Inside linebacker Evans
2A ) Running back Chubb or Johnson
2B ( Our pick ) DT/N Phillips
3 ) Tight End Gesicki


Then in free agency, we can use the 12 million in savings to sign one top player or two very good ones:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...ion-franchise-tags/13miy0x4fy0x51g9luduz20sgp


Fantasy .......nice.
 
This is not the NBA if they sign him to a long term deal and then trade him they eat any bonus money in the contract making it financially impossible to do this unless it is all base salary which I doubt he would accept unless you gauruntee it all which no team in their right mind would do.

You aren't thinking outside or even inside of the box. Just imagine the draft picks we could get. Then who we could/would draft. Crazy actually. I just wonder why Coach stopped at the number of picks that he did. Imagine if we traded Bell for 5 or 6 # 1's...The possibilities of what we can then get is endless...... You are right Coach. Playing "make believe" is fun.
 
I love this "we just need production". Then they throw out stats from a RB who did it for 10 games ONE TIME in his career to compare to Bell. How about we do this, bring you knuckleheads back down to earth and realize what Bell is doing is special, what Bell is asking for is to be recognized for his special skills.

Leveon Bell averages 128.5 yards from scrimmage a game. That is THE MOST EVER BY ANYONE in their first five years. More than Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, LaDainian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk, Terrell Davis, Adrian Peterson. Let that sink in. He passed Jerome Bettis for the most yards from scrimmage in Steelers history (first five years with the team) in 17 less games. You don't just plug someone in and get guaranteed results. He may not have break away speed, but he has consistency. He doesn't take negative runs very often, very rarely puts the ball on the ground, has elite level hands, runs routes better than most WR's.

It's hard to digest a player making that much money that isn't a QB, but he does SO MUCH. And stats only tell part of the story, especially when you pick and choose which ones you want to use.
 
I love this "we just need production". Then they throw out stats from a RB who did it for 10 games ONE TIME in his career to compare to Bell. How about we do this, bring you knuckleheads back down to earth and realize what Bell is doing is special, what Bell is asking for is to be recognized for his special skills.

Leveon Bell averages 128.5 yards from scrimmage a game. That is THE MOST EVER BY ANYONE in their first five years. More than Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, LaDainian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk, Terrell Davis, Adrian Peterson. Let that sink in. He passed Jerome Bettis for the most yards from scrimmage in Steelers history (first five years with the team) in 17 less games. You don't just plug someone in and get guaranteed results. He may not have break away speed, but he has consistency. He doesn't take negative runs very often, very rarely puts the ball on the ground, has elite level hands, runs routes better than most WR's.

It's hard to digest a player making that much money that isn't a QB, but he does SO MUCH. And stats only tell part of the story, especially when you pick and choose which ones you want to use.
In a passing league he is a elite pass catching RB a solid blocker besides being a RB who can pile up yardage quickly. I am not in the let Bell go crowd.

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I love this "we just need production". Then they throw out stats from a RB who did it for 10 games ONE TIME in his career to compare to Bell. How about we do this, bring you knuckleheads back down to earth and realize what Bell is doing is special, what Bell is asking for is to be recognized for his special skills.

Leveon Bell averages 128.5 yards from scrimmage a game. That is THE MOST EVER BY ANYONE in their first five years. More than Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, LaDainian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk, Terrell Davis, Adrian Peterson. Let that sink in. He passed Jerome Bettis for the most yards from scrimmage in Steelers history (first five years with the team) in 17 less games. You don't just plug someone in and get guaranteed results. He may not have break away speed, but he has consistency. He doesn't take negative runs very often, very rarely puts the ball on the ground, has elite level hands, runs routes better than most WR's.

It's hard to digest a player making that much money that isn't a QB, but he does SO MUCH. And stats only tell part of the story, especially when you pick and choose which ones you want to use.
Mike Wallace was putting up numbers close to the best ever over his first 3 seasons too.

He's not worth what he's asking, no player is worth twice the amount of the second highest paid at his position.

Nobody wants to get rid of him, but that doesn't mean we get stupid with his demands.

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Mike Wallace was putting up numbers close to the best ever over his first 3 seasons too.

He's not worth what he's asking, no player is worth twice the amount of the second highest paid at his position.

Nobody wants to get rid of him, but that doesn't mean we get stupid with his demands.

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So, do you give him the contract like i outlined (assuming the cap hits are right) such that his cap hit over the next 3 years is $10m-$11m?
 
I have a question for those in favor of keeping Bell at any cost.

If YOU controlled the Steeler's financial decisions, what would YOU be willing to pay Bell? Would YOU pay him $14-$17 million/year on average, keeping in mind the sacrifices necessary at other positions?
 
So, do you give him the contract like i outlined (assuming the cap hits are right) such that his cap hit over the next 3 years is $10m-$11m?
Absolutely. The problem is the contract he turned down was 5yrs 60 million. Years 1 and 2 guaranteed at 15 million each season, year 3, 4, 5 each at 10 million. It would still be alot of dead money for the Steelers to cut him after year 2, so unless something major happened he would've been here at least 3 seasons so that's 40 million guaranteed.
Freeman's (2nd highest paid rb) entire contract was worth 41 with only 18 guaranteed.
He turned down a contract that blew every other RB away.

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Absolutely. The problem is the contract he turned down was 5yrs 60 million. Years 1 and 2 guaranteed at 15 million each season, year 3, 4, 5 each at 10 million. It would still be alot of dead money for the Steelers to cut him after year 2, so unless something major happened he would've been here at least 3 seasons so that's 40 million guaranteed.
Freeman's (2nd highest paid rb) entire contract was worth 41 with only 18 guaranteed.
He turned down a contract that blew every other RB away.

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This year may have some differences from his point of view, though.

He, absolutely, proved himself last year. Tons of touches running the ball, lots of receptions, running more than just dump off routes. Everything we needed, even if his averages dropped some. Stayed healthy, stayed clean.

Outside of him and the team, though, other things were happening. As you have mentioned a couple of rookie RB's had fantastic years, especially, i think, Kamara. Does this make Bell rethink his uniqueness? What about with RB's like Barklay coming into the league?

Even though it was in August, the Freeman contract may reset Bell's expectations of what he can really get on the market. Saying you want $15m-$17m isn't the same as refusing to accept lower.

So, now his calculus is: I'm guaranteed $14m+ this year. Is it still realistic that I can get $15m+ from another team on the next contract? Maybe a $30m-$35m guarantee is more attractive this year. Maybe $40m with lower annual salaries gets it done. $40m with $2m salaries gets him $15m/year over the next three years. and still keeps the cap hits at $10m. After 3 years you talk extension or take some dead money?

Some teams have a ton of cap room and could pay a bunch for him. One of those teams is, likely, to get Barklay. None of this year's RB FA's will break the bank for a contract.
 
This year may have some differences from his point of view, though.

He, absolutely, proved himself last year. Tons of touches running the ball, lots of receptions, running more than just dump off routes. Everything we needed, even if his averages dropped some. Stayed healthy, stayed clean.

Outside of him and the team, though, other things were happening. As you have mentioned a couple of rookie RB's had fantastic years, especially, i think, Kamara. Does this make Bell rethink his uniqueness? What about with RB's like Barklay coming into the league?

Even though it was in August, the Freeman contract may reset Bell's expectations of what he can really get on the market. Saying you want $15m-$17m isn't the same as refusing to accept lower.

So, now his calculus is: I'm guaranteed $14m+ this year. Is it still realistic that I can get $15m+ from another team on the next contract? Maybe a $30m-$35m guarantee is more attractive this year. Maybe $40m with lower annual salaries gets it done. $40m with $2m salaries gets him $15m/year over the next three years. and still keeps the cap hits at $10m. After 3 years you talk extension or take some dead money?

Some teams have a ton of cap room and could pay a bunch for him. One of those teams is, likely, to get Barklay. None of this year's RB FA's will break the bank for a contract.

I think it makes the Steelers FO rethink his uniqueness more than Bell himself. Therefore I think the Steelers likely have a little more leverage at this point because of those rookies who performed similarly.
 
I have a question for those in favor of keeping Bell at any cost.

If YOU controlled the Steeler's financial decisions, what would YOU be willing to pay Bell? Would YOU pay him $14-$17 million/year on average, keeping in mind the sacrifices necessary at other positions?

Absolutely. The problem is the contract he turned down was 5yrs 60 million. Years 1 and 2 guaranteed at 15 million each season, year 3, 4, 5 each at 10 million. It would still be alot of dead money for the Steelers to cut him after year 2, so unless something major happened he would've been here at least 3 seasons so that's 40 million guaranteed.
Freeman's (2nd highest paid rb) entire contract was worth 41 with only 18 guaranteed.
He turned down a contract that blew every other RB away.

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The offer that he turned down last year was more than I would have offered him then or now. He turned down $30 million guaranteed over two years to play a one year deal for $12.x million. That right there tells you his intelligence level and that he thinks he is worth WAY MORE than he is. I love LeVeon Bell "the player", but I do not like Leveon Bell "the person" or "the teammate". If I could have Leveon Bell the player with the character of a Jerome Bettis or Heath Miller, I'd pay a lot more.

Dammit, it pains me to say it because I want him back really bad, I would use MY money on ILB, S, OLB and replace him in the draft or via free agency.
 
The offer that he turned down last year was more than I would have offered him then or now. He turned down $30 million guaranteed over two years to play a one year deal for $12.x million. That right there tells you his intelligence level and that he thinks he is worth WAY MORE than he is. I love LeVeon Bell "the player", but I do not like Leveon Bell "the person" or "the teammate". If I could have Leveon Bell the player with the character of a Jerome Bettis or Heath Miller, I'd pay a lot more.

Dammit, it pains me to say it because I want him back really bad, I would use MY money on ILB, S, OLB and replace him in the draft or via free agency.
Yep, and he's not going to come down on his asking price and the Steelers aren't going to offer more than last year.

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The offer that he turned down last year was more than I would have offered him then or now. He turned down $30 million guaranteed over two years to play a one year deal for $12.x million. That right there tells you his intelligence level and that he thinks he is worth WAY MORE than he is. I love LeVeon Bell "the player", but I do not like Leveon Bell "the person" or "the teammate". If I could have Leveon Bell the player with the character of a Jerome Bettis or Heath Miller, I'd pay a lot more.

Dammit, it pains me to say it because I want him back really bad, I would use MY money on ILB, S, OLB and replace him in the draft or via free agency.

He was already, essentially, guaranteed almost $27m without signing that contract ($12m+ for 2017 tag and $14m+ if he got tagged for 2018). The only thing outside of his control on the extra was a big injury. So, his choice was to sign a $30m guarantee or take the, practically, guaranteed $27m without a contract. Why would anyone take that? He bet on himself and he took care of the part he needed to take care of.and he is, practically, still guaranteed that $14m+ He will be getting most of the $30m without a long term contract. Doesn't sound stupid, at all.
 
I think it makes the Steelers FO rethink his uniqueness more than Bell himself. Therefore I think the Steelers likely have a little more leverage at this point because of those rookies who performed similarly.

That may be true, too.
 
Outside the box...*'s way.

Bell contract 4 years $20m. Cap hit $5m/year. No guaranteed money.

Steelers invest $35m in a record label.....

Unrelelated, Bell gets a recording contract, you know, out of the blue. Record label gives him $35m guaranteed to be producer/artist for their label.
 
Outside the box...*'s way.

Bell contract 4 years $20m. Cap hit $5m/year. No guaranteed money.

Steelers invest $35m in a record label.....

Unrelelated, Bell gets a recording contract, you know, out of the blue. Record label gives him $35m guaranteed to be producer/artist for their label.

sounds like something the P*ts would do for Tom Terrific
 
sounds like something the P*ts would do for Tom Terrific



ONLY difference is we don't have an owner who would shovel money his way on the low side................Kapish????


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320 carries, 1447 yards, 4.5ypc, 17tds, long 52
64 catches, 587 yards, 9.2ypc

321 carries, 1291 yards, 4.0ypc, 9tds, long 27
85 carries, 655 yards, 7.7ypc, 2tds

The top numbers are Williams, now he started 10 games so I averaged it out to a full season, Bell sat out vs Cleveland so his numbers would be a bit higher.

Williams cap hit was 1.4 million that season.

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When the numbers don't support you're argument you make them up?

Leveon bell has the highest yards from scrimmage per game in the HISTORY of the NFL
Higher than Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Ladanian Tomlinson, Adrian peterson, All of them.
Where is Williams on that list?
 
When the numbers don't support you're argument you make them up?

Leveon bell has the highest yards from scrimmage per game in the HISTORY of the NFL
Higher than Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Ladanian Tomlinson, Adrian peterson, All of them.
Where is Williams on that list?
Make up what numbers?

Yeah he does, but they aren't paying him for what he's done, they are paying him for what he'll do, his average ypcarry and ypcatch were both down this year, he has a ton of touches, positive test, and injury history. Yet they still offered him to be by far the highest paid RB in the NFL. That wouldve put him at the time inside the top 10 paid wr's, with his guaranteed money close to the 3rd highest paid wr (Hopkins).
And you people ***** like the Steelers are ******* him over.

No one ever said Williams was better, it's to point out we got nearly the same production, better in TDs and ypcarry, at an extremely lower cap hit.

You must be part of the "give Bell a blank check crowd"?

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