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13th loss to sub .500 team in 4 seasons....

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The thing about it is this: losing to sub 500 team keeps us from getting buys and home games in the playoffs. It also keeps us out of the playoffs. And to top everything off Mr. Tomlin coaches the team just to the point where we don't get any real good draft picks either.

You didn't answer the whole question. You said you would rather beat the bad teams. So it is OK for us to overall have a losing record something he has never had by the way,where you can feel better about us beating the bad teams. Beat the bad teams lose to the good teams we still miss the playoffs.
 
Stillers Fight Off Reality, Extend Cowher
July 13, 2001 by Still Mill

Stillers Fight Off Reality, Extend Cowher�s Contract

In a fit of absurdity unparalleled in the recent history of sports, the Stillers extended the contract of head coach Billy Cowher thru the 2005 season.���

It should come as no surprise that the team conveniently announced the extension only a day after the front-page headlines of the Jaromir Jagr trade.�� Rooney and company might lack the business and football acumen that is needed to win the Lombardi Trophy, but they�re certainly slick enough to at least attempt to capitalize on the circus of Jagr�s trade, so that most of the city might somehow be �left out� or otherwise engrossed in other sports news when the word of this outrageous extension was made public.

Of course, much of the Steelers fan base has been mesmerized and bamboozled �- as has Rooney -� with Billy Cowher.�� �He went to the playoffs his first six seasons� is the blind mantra of the Cowher-loving crowd.��

It is true that Cowher went to the playoffs his first six seasons.� However, there�s more �- a lot more -� to the big picture that is typically & conveniently forgotten or ignored:

Upon making the playoffs after the �97 season, Cowher -- just weeks after a pitiful home loss to Denver in the AFC title game -- had the gaul to literally threaten to leave the team while still under contract and join the still un-formed Cleveland franchise.�� Rooney and Co. blinked and lavished Cowher with an exhorbitant new contract worth over $2M per year, a figure that, at the time, was equaled to only by coaches (like Johnson and Parcells) who had actually won a Super Bowl.��

Since his clever little extortion ploy, Cowher has had such splendid seasons as 7-9, 6-10, and 9-7.� And for that, yesterday he was rewarded with a fatty 3-year contract extension that pays him $3M per annum thru the �05 season.�� We Pittsburgh sports fans have wondered for months how Derek Bell�s agent was ever able to swindle a 2-year, $9M deal from the Pirates when no one else was even remotely close to showing interest in Bell.� While Derek�s agent should be applauded for his ability to fleece the Pirates into bidding against themselves, Bill Cowher�s agent should be equally lauded for being able to fleece Rooney into an extension after 3 shameful seasons that have been highly hampered by some of the sorriest coaching in recent NFL memory.�

It�s become readily apparent that Cowher�s 6-year reign in making the playoffs was the direct result of playing in what, at that time, was easily the easiest, or at �worst� the 2nd-easiest, division in all of football and in a conference that was far inferior to the NFC.� In that time span, Cinci fell apart from its 1989 Super Bowl berth and was a laughingstock.� Cleveland was its typical subpar group, and things got bad enough with their owner that their entire team moved in Baltimore in the mid-90�s.�� Only Houston had any redeeming value, and that was more so in the early 90�s.� After the Great Collapse against the Bills in the �93 playoffs, Houston literally fell apart and was never the same.��

What�s equally apparent is that Cowher�s success of 6 playoff appearances was also the result of inheriting an incredibly solid nucleus of stud players from Chuck Noll.� Cowher had the luxury of inheriting such leaders and stars as Dawson, Nickerson, Woodson, Lloyd, Lake, and Jackson.�� Ever since that core of players has faded or gone away, Cowher has shown a gross inability to develop players.�� Until OT Marvel Smith played solidly as a rookie last year, Cowher had not developed a SINGLE offensive lineman who was not around since Cowher first arrived.� (Justin Strlzyk, for example, and Dirt and Jackson, were here before Cowher�s arrival.� Faneca was a 1st rounder, and frankly, isn�t much better as a 3rd-year player than as a rookie.)� Remember, this is a head coach who thought so little of LB Earl Holmes as a rookie, that Holmes actually was deactivated the 1st 15 games of the season.� The 16th game?�� Holmes was finally allowed to play, and facing a desparate Carolina team trying to secure a home-field playoff game, Holmes went out and led ALL players from both teams in tackles that day.�� Defense and special teams are supposed to be Cowher�s strengths.� Again, Cowher has failed to develop defensive lineman; and his work with highly touted LBs has been marginal, at best.�� Special teams ?�� His have perennially been among the weakest in the league.��

Remember, this is a coach who, facing the Lions� 19th ranked defense, admitted �I got scared� after a near-Stewart end-zone INT, and then ordered 2 plunges from deep in Lion territory, settling for a FG to set up the infamous �Coingate� overtimes loss.�� Prior to that point in the game, Cowher insisted on ordering a reverse on a kickoff --- despite cold, hard facts that the Lions were kicking off from midfield (due to a personal foul penalty on a PAT) and that the man who had practiced the reverse all week, David Dunn, suffered a broken hand and was out the rest of the day.� The ensuing attempted reverse ended with a disastrous fumble on the handoff, giving the feeble Lions free points they would have never gotten.� Then there�s the infamous loss at Cleveland last season, in which Cowher�s team called its last TO after a long Fu run put the ball at the Cleve. 8-yard line.�� Despite all the time allotted during the time out, the best Field Goal Bill could come up with was a line plunge on 1st down, followed by a spike.�� The thought of lobbing the ball to either of his 6-5� receivers was far too trembling for the field goal miester to handle.�� This is a man, who, facing a division rival that was scratching for a playoff berth, actually called a timeout to mull over the Titans� 4th and 8 from midfield with less than a minute remaining.�� Then, with only ONE WR in the game who had EVER caught an NFL pass, (and the receiver who had murdered the Stillers all game long that day), Cowher eschews doubling up on that receiver (Mason), claiming afterwards, �I thought they would punt.� �Come to think of it, has there ever been an NFL coach who gets LESS out of a timeout, than Billy Cowher?

Then there�s Cowher�s playoff record.�� Despite the chorus of �But at least he made the playoffs�, let us examine the playoff history of Little Billy Cowher:


- '92 - with home-field edge secured throughout the playoffs, Cowhead's Steelers get absolutely demolished by the Bills, 24-3, in 3 Rivers Stadium in the 1st round.

- '93 - gets Steelers into playoffs as wild card; team loses at KC on a terribly-protected blocked punt by a very mediocre KC team.

- '94 - again with home field secured throughout the playoffs, Cowhead's team easily beats Cleve, a team they�d already beaten up on twice in the regular season.�� Then they faced wild-card SD in the AFC Title game.� Cowhead allows his men to hold video dance practices days before the SD game, and his team falls flat on its face in losing at home to a terribly average SD team that gets thoroughly destroyed in the Super Bowl.� The game's big play is a 40-yd TD strike to little used Alfred Papunu, on a play-action play that Bobby Ross built specifically for this game.� Cowher�s offense that day was as imaginative as the gray buildings the Soviets built in East Berlin after WW2.�

- '95 - Cowhead's team ekes out a weak win at home over an aging, decrepit Buffalo team, then lucks out and gets the AFC title game at home when KC loses to the wild card Indy Colts.� Cowhead's team flounders and flops about for about 57 minutes and allows Indy to remain in (and lead) the game, and only a last-minute TD saves the team from a disgraceful loss.� Then, in the Super Bowl, Cowhead arrives to a Sun Devil Stadium field that is sopping wet, sloppy, muddy, and soggy.��� Rather than playing the bigger Morris, who proved himself as a superb �mudder� in the mid-season win at Cleveland on a wet, muddy field, Genius Bill insists on starting and playing scatback Erric Pegram for a large majority of the 1st half.� Pegram continually ran line plunges into the heart of the Dallas defense and was totally engulfed and ineffective.� Meanwhile, Cowhead's defense is thoroughly bewildered and surprised by the Dallas offensive attack, and the game is quickly well in Dallas' favor.�

- '96 - playing in NE in the fog, Cowhead's entire team was in a fog.� The very 1st offensive play from scrimmage --- a play that is typically rehearsed 30 times prior to the game -- is flagged for 2 men being in motion at the same time.� The entire team smells in every aspect of the game and is given a severe can of whipass by New England.

�'97 - At home, Cowhead's team ekes out a 7-6 win against an injury-decimated NE team, a win that was ugly, piss poor, and totally undeserving.� Then, in the AFC title game, facing a Denver team they had already beaten and a team that was on the ropes in the 2d quarter, Cowhead managed to again snatch defeat from victory with a series of shoddy tactical moves on both sides of the ball.
The playoffs is where the great coaches � be it Chuck Noll, Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, or Bill Parcells � establish themselves.� All Cowher has established in his 6 playoff stints is a pathetic history of horrific upsets, subpar play, and entirely poor preparation & in-game tactics.��

Oft-forgotten is Billy Cowher�s shameful history on �opening day�.� Cowher won his first-ever game against the Oilers, but since then has been downright incompetent when it comes to preparing a team in camp to be ready for the regular season.� To wit:

- �93 � thoroughly embarrassed and dominated by San Fran.

- �94 - thoroughly embarrassed and dominated by Dallas.

- �95 � at home, facing a pitiful Detroit team, eked out a close win on a late FG.�

- �96 � a sorry, wretched performance in a shameful loss to 2nd-year Jacksonville.

- �97 - thoroughly embarrassed and dominated at home by Dallas.

- �98 � facing a pitiful Ravens team, stunk & sputtered, and eked out a close win despite a thoroughly slovenly effort, aided by 2 horrible long-snaps by Balt.

- �99 � won big over laughingstock-expansion Cleveland playing its first ever game as a �new� franchise.

- �00 � stunk and sputtered in home loss to Baltimore.�

Then there�s the Pittsburgh �- and Cowher -� predilection of placing all the blame on the coordinators.� After Chan Gayboy left in early 1998, Cowher himself, and nobody else, hired Gay Ray Sherman.�� (Although Cowher did, in a fit of utter stupidity, allow his young, immature QB to also interview Sherman.)� That fiasco lasted just one year.� Then Cowher personally hired Kevin Gaypride.�� To be sure, both Sperman and Gaypride did horrible jobs while in Pittsburgh.� However, both men had to get their game plan APPROVED each & every week by one man, and that man�s name was Billy Cowher.�� So if you thought for the past 3 seasons that the Stillers have underutilized Stewart�s athleticism, or had too complex an offense for their personnel, and so on, the blame for that should ultimately be pointed at Little Billy Cowher.�� It�s humorous that Cowher, in a snide remark to SI after he lost one of his many defensive coordinators, said, �There�s been one man here the whole time, and you�re looking at him.�� Yes, indeed.� And there�s been one man here the past 3 non-playoff seasons in a league where only 3 other teams have failed to make the playoffs during that time span --- and that man is Little Billy Cowher.�� There�s been one man here that past 3 seasons in which the passing offense has been ranked 29th, 26th, and 29th �- and that man is Little Billy Cowher.�� I find it amusing how Little Billy, who is supposed to be accountable and responsible for everything that goes on with this football team, has been able to downright AVOID both accountability and responsibility, and THEN PARLAY it into first an extortion for a new contract and now a 3-year extension.� In the real world, be it the world of business & industry, science, or the military, leaders are held accountable for not only their actions but those of their subordinates.� In a sickening paradox, not only has Cowhead been absolved of any accountability or responsibility, he�s actually been REWARDED for it.��

If that�s not sickening enough, listen to this quote by Cowhead yesterday, after the announcement of his fatty extension: "This allows the players to know that you are going to be there.� That helps a lot. Stability is big. Certainly, you have to be successful, but you have to have success and stability."� Yes, indeed, 3 consecutive seasons of NON SUCCESS, but �stability is big�.� Sure, it�s big...it�s big for Field Goal Bill and his burgeoning bank account.� For the Stillers, it means stability...stability in the continuance of Little Billy�s favorite game since childhood, �Pound the Square Peg into the Round Hole�.�� If anything, Cowher should have been given an ultimatum to extract his head from his anus, or be looking for work come January �02.�

Like extending a punter, this again was another in a long line of poor moves by the front office.� Can anyone provide even one rational reason WHY Cowher should have been extended?�� If Cowher had even, say, a 12-4 record this upcoming season, what would he have been given for a contract?�� $3.2M instead of $3M ??�� What happens if Cowher�s team falters and stumbles AGAIN for the 4th consecutive season?�� Like the 5-year old playing �H-O-R-S-E� on the driveway hoops court, Cowher has been given far too many chances to �re-do� and �re-try�.�� This entire team has gone stagnant, predictable, and entirely devoid of what it takes to win in today�s -� not yesterday�s -� NFL.�� The one man to blame for this sorry situation?� None other than Little Billy Cowher.�� Having to trade the NHL�s leading scorer the past 4 seasons for 3 marginal prospects made this week bad enough.� The prospect of having to put up with Billy Cowher for another 4 seasons is even worse.
 
Stillers Fight Off Reality, Extend Cowher
July 13, 2001 by Still Mill

Stillers Fight Off Reality, Extend Cowher�s Contract

In a fit of absurdity unparalleled in the recent history of sports, the Stillers extended the contract of head coach Billy Cowher thru the 2005 season.���

It should come as no surprise that the team conveniently announced the extension only a day after the front-page headlines of the Jaromir Jagr trade.�� Rooney and company might lack the business and football acumen that is needed to win the Lombardi Trophy, but they�re certainly slick enough to at least attempt to capitalize on the circus of Jagr�s trade, so that most of the city might somehow be �left out� or otherwise engrossed in other sports news when the word of this outrageous extension was made public.

Of course, much of the Steelers fan base has been mesmerized and bamboozled �- as has Rooney -� with Billy Cowher.�� �He went to the playoffs his first six seasons� is the blind mantra of the Cowher-loving crowd.��

It is true that Cowher went to the playoffs his first six seasons.� However, there�s more �- a lot more -� to the big picture that is typically & conveniently forgotten or ignored:

Upon making the playoffs after the �97 season, Cowher -- just weeks after a pitiful home loss to Denver in the AFC title game -- had the gaul to literally threaten to leave the team while still under contract and join the still un-formed Cleveland franchise.�� Rooney and Co. blinked and lavished Cowher with an exhorbitant new contract worth over $2M per year, a figure that, at the time, was equaled to only by coaches (like Johnson and Parcells) who had actually won a Super Bowl.��

Since his clever little extortion ploy, Cowher has had such splendid seasons as 7-9, 6-10, and 9-7.� And for that, yesterday he was rewarded with a fatty 3-year contract extension that pays him $3M per annum thru the �05 season.�� We Pittsburgh sports fans have wondered for months how Derek Bell�s agent was ever able to swindle a 2-year, $9M deal from the Pirates when no one else was even remotely close to showing interest in Bell.� While Derek�s agent should be applauded for his ability to fleece the Pirates into bidding against themselves, Bill Cowher�s agent should be equally lauded for being able to fleece Rooney into an extension after 3 shameful seasons that have been highly hampered by some of the sorriest coaching in recent NFL memory.�

It�s become readily apparent that Cowher�s 6-year reign in making the playoffs was the direct result of playing in what, at that time, was easily the easiest, or at �worst� the 2nd-easiest, division in all of football and in a conference that was far inferior to the NFC.� In that time span, Cinci fell apart from its 1989 Super Bowl berth and was a laughingstock.� Cleveland was its typical subpar group, and things got bad enough with their owner that their entire team moved in Baltimore in the mid-90�s.�� Only Houston had any redeeming value, and that was more so in the early 90�s.� After the Great Collapse against the Bills in the �93 playoffs, Houston literally fell apart and was never the same.��

What�s equally apparent is that Cowher�s success of 6 playoff appearances was also the result of inheriting an incredibly solid nucleus of stud players from Chuck Noll.� Cowher had the luxury of inheriting such leaders and stars as Dawson, Nickerson, Woodson, Lloyd, Lake, and Jackson.�� Ever since that core of players has faded or gone away, Cowher has shown a gross inability to develop players.�� Until OT Marvel Smith played solidly as a rookie last year, Cowher had not developed a SINGLE offensive lineman who was not around since Cowher first arrived.� (Justin Strlzyk, for example, and Dirt and Jackson, were here before Cowher�s arrival.� Faneca was a 1st rounder, and frankly, isn�t much better as a 3rd-year player than as a rookie.)� Remember, this is a head coach who thought so little of LB Earl Holmes as a rookie, that Holmes actually was deactivated the 1st 15 games of the season.� The 16th game?�� Holmes was finally allowed to play, and facing a desparate Carolina team trying to secure a home-field playoff game, Holmes went out and led ALL players from both teams in tackles that day.�� Defense and special teams are supposed to be Cowher�s strengths.� Again, Cowher has failed to develop defensive lineman; and his work with highly touted LBs has been marginal, at best.�� Special teams ?�� His have perennially been among the weakest in the league.��

Remember, this is a coach who, facing the Lions� 19th ranked defense, admitted �I got scared� after a near-Stewart end-zone INT, and then ordered 2 plunges from deep in Lion territory, settling for a FG to set up the infamous �Coingate� overtimes loss.�� Prior to that point in the game, Cowher insisted on ordering a reverse on a kickoff --- despite cold, hard facts that the Lions were kicking off from midfield (due to a personal foul penalty on a PAT) and that the man who had practiced the reverse all week, David Dunn, suffered a broken hand and was out the rest of the day.� The ensuing attempted reverse ended with a disastrous fumble on the handoff, giving the feeble Lions free points they would have never gotten.� Then there�s the infamous loss at Cleveland last season, in which Cowher�s team called its last TO after a long Fu run put the ball at the Cleve. 8-yard line.�� Despite all the time allotted during the time out, the best Field Goal Bill could come up with was a line plunge on 1st down, followed by a spike.�� The thought of lobbing the ball to either of his 6-5� receivers was far too trembling for the field goal miester to handle.�� This is a man, who, facing a division rival that was scratching for a playoff berth, actually called a timeout to mull over the Titans� 4th and 8 from midfield with less than a minute remaining.�� Then, with only ONE WR in the game who had EVER caught an NFL pass, (and the receiver who had murdered the Stillers all game long that day), Cowher eschews doubling up on that receiver (Mason), claiming afterwards, �I thought they would punt.� �Come to think of it, has there ever been an NFL coach who gets LESS out of a timeout, than Billy Cowher?

Then there�s Cowher�s playoff record.�� Despite the chorus of �But at least he made the playoffs�, let us examine the playoff history of Little Billy Cowher:


- '92 - with home-field edge secured throughout the playoffs, Cowhead's Steelers get absolutely demolished by the Bills, 24-3, in 3 Rivers Stadium in the 1st round.

- '93 - gets Steelers into playoffs as wild card; team loses at KC on a terribly-protected blocked punt by a very mediocre KC team.

- '94 - again with home field secured throughout the playoffs, Cowhead's team easily beats Cleve, a team they�d already beaten up on twice in the regular season.�� Then they faced wild-card SD in the AFC Title game.� Cowhead allows his men to hold video dance practices days before the SD game, and his team falls flat on its face in losing at home to a terribly average SD team that gets thoroughly destroyed in the Super Bowl.� The game's big play is a 40-yd TD strike to little used Alfred Papunu, on a play-action play that Bobby Ross built specifically for this game.� Cowher�s offense that day was as imaginative as the gray buildings the Soviets built in East Berlin after WW2.�

- '95 - Cowhead's team ekes out a weak win at home over an aging, decrepit Buffalo team, then lucks out and gets the AFC title game at home when KC loses to the wild card Indy Colts.� Cowhead's team flounders and flops about for about 57 minutes and allows Indy to remain in (and lead) the game, and only a last-minute TD saves the team from a disgraceful loss.� Then, in the Super Bowl, Cowhead arrives to a Sun Devil Stadium field that is sopping wet, sloppy, muddy, and soggy.��� Rather than playing the bigger Morris, who proved himself as a superb �mudder� in the mid-season win at Cleveland on a wet, muddy field, Genius Bill insists on starting and playing scatback Erric Pegram for a large majority of the 1st half.� Pegram continually ran line plunges into the heart of the Dallas defense and was totally engulfed and ineffective.� Meanwhile, Cowhead's defense is thoroughly bewildered and surprised by the Dallas offensive attack, and the game is quickly well in Dallas' favor.�

- '96 - playing in NE in the fog, Cowhead's entire team was in a fog.� The very 1st offensive play from scrimmage --- a play that is typically rehearsed 30 times prior to the game -- is flagged for 2 men being in motion at the same time.� The entire team smells in every aspect of the game and is given a severe can of whipass by New England.

�'97 - At home, Cowhead's team ekes out a 7-6 win against an injury-decimated NE team, a win that was ugly, piss poor, and totally undeserving.� Then, in the AFC title game, facing a Denver team they had already beaten and a team that was on the ropes in the 2d quarter, Cowhead managed to again snatch defeat from victory with a series of shoddy tactical moves on both sides of the ball.
The playoffs is where the great coaches � be it Chuck Noll, Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, or Bill Parcells � establish themselves.� All Cowher has established in his 6 playoff stints is a pathetic history of horrific upsets, subpar play, and entirely poor preparation & in-game tactics.��

Oft-forgotten is Billy Cowher�s shameful history on �opening day�.� Cowher won his first-ever game against the Oilers, but since then has been downright incompetent when it comes to preparing a team in camp to be ready for the regular season.� To wit:

- �93 � thoroughly embarrassed and dominated by San Fran.

- �94 - thoroughly embarrassed and dominated by Dallas.

- �95 � at home, facing a pitiful Detroit team, eked out a close win on a late FG.�

- �96 � a sorry, wretched performance in a shameful loss to 2nd-year Jacksonville.

- �97 - thoroughly embarrassed and dominated at home by Dallas.

- �98 � facing a pitiful Ravens team, stunk & sputtered, and eked out a close win despite a thoroughly slovenly effort, aided by 2 horrible long-snaps by Balt.

- �99 � won big over laughingstock-expansion Cleveland playing its first ever game as a �new� franchise.

- �00 � stunk and sputtered in home loss to Baltimore.�

Then there�s the Pittsburgh �- and Cowher -� predilection of placing all the blame on the coordinators.� After Chan Gayboy left in early 1998, Cowher himself, and nobody else, hired Gay Ray Sherman.�� (Although Cowher did, in a fit of utter stupidity, allow his young, immature QB to also interview Sherman.)� That fiasco lasted just one year.� Then Cowher personally hired Kevin Gaypride.�� To be sure, both Sperman and Gaypride did horrible jobs while in Pittsburgh.� However, both men had to get their game plan APPROVED each & every week by one man, and that man�s name was Billy Cowher.�� So if you thought for the past 3 seasons that the Stillers have underutilized Stewart�s athleticism, or had too complex an offense for their personnel, and so on, the blame for that should ultimately be pointed at Little Billy Cowher.�� It�s humorous that Cowher, in a snide remark to SI after he lost one of his many defensive coordinators, said, �There�s been one man here the whole time, and you�re looking at him.�� Yes, indeed.� And there�s been one man here the past 3 non-playoff seasons in a league where only 3 other teams have failed to make the playoffs during that time span --- and that man is Little Billy Cowher.�� There�s been one man here that past 3 seasons in which the passing offense has been ranked 29th, 26th, and 29th �- and that man is Little Billy Cowher.�� I find it amusing how Little Billy, who is supposed to be accountable and responsible for everything that goes on with this football team, has been able to downright AVOID both accountability and responsibility, and THEN PARLAY it into first an extortion for a new contract and now a 3-year extension.� In the real world, be it the world of business & industry, science, or the military, leaders are held accountable for not only their actions but those of their subordinates.� In a sickening paradox, not only has Cowhead been absolved of any accountability or responsibility, he�s actually been REWARDED for it.��

If that�s not sickening enough, listen to this quote by Cowhead yesterday, after the announcement of his fatty extension: "This allows the players to know that you are going to be there.� That helps a lot. Stability is big. Certainly, you have to be successful, but you have to have success and stability."� Yes, indeed, 3 consecutive seasons of NON SUCCESS, but �stability is big�.� Sure, it�s big...it�s big for Field Goal Bill and his burgeoning bank account.� For the Stillers, it means stability...stability in the continuance of Little Billy�s favorite game since childhood, �Pound the Square Peg into the Round Hole�.�� If anything, Cowher should have been given an ultimatum to extract his head from his anus, or be looking for work come January �02.�

Like extending a punter, this again was another in a long line of poor moves by the front office.� Can anyone provide even one rational reason WHY Cowher should have been extended?�� If Cowher had even, say, a 12-4 record this upcoming season, what would he have been given for a contract?�� $3.2M instead of $3M ??�� What happens if Cowher�s team falters and stumbles AGAIN for the 4th consecutive season?�� Like the 5-year old playing �H-O-R-S-E� on the driveway hoops court, Cowher has been given far too many chances to �re-do� and �re-try�.�� This entire team has gone stagnant, predictable, and entirely devoid of what it takes to win in today�s -� not yesterday�s -� NFL.�� The one man to blame for this sorry situation?� None other than Little Billy Cowher.�� Having to trade the NHL�s leading scorer the past 4 seasons for 3 marginal prospects made this week bad enough.� The prospect of having to put up with Billy Cowher for another 4 seasons is even worse.

Mill was always a negative writer.

But it was interesting to see some of the same complaints...
 
Thanks for the "history" lesson Super Dave..

Cowher's persona as a tough yinzer and local fan favorite has certainly helped him secure very lucrative contracts, and has kept his "legend" alive with many Stiller fans nation wide..

Cowher was a very good coach...but not a great coach..

But I have to admit...I thoroughly enjoyed the "Cowher Power" ride!
 
Great find Super Dave. It's amazing as fans what we forget and what we choose to remember.

you also have to take that with a grain of salt...

as Mill wasn't your average Steelers fan. He was often doom and gloom.

Let us speed dial it to present.

It would be like taking your most negative poster here, and having that be the average opinion for the board.

I want to go as far as saying Mills was in a small percentage of how fans felt at the time.

Out of all the boards I visited ( a lot way back when) his board was by far the most disgruntled, and he spear headed it.
 
You didn't answer the whole question. You said you would rather beat the bad teams. So it is OK for us to overall have a losing record something he has never had by the way,where you can feel better about us beating the bad teams. Beat the bad teams lose to the good teams we still miss the playoffs.

Why does it have to be one or the other? I'd rather just not lose to the bad teams and still win the other games we already won against better teams. Is that so much to ask? Sheesh
 
as i posted before, Cowher over-hauled the roster several times while here, without a franchise QB, and had them as one of the best teams in football on a consistent basis, this is where Tomlin is failing, especially on D, as the guys that were here leave this D gets worse and worse, and once Ben is done, the O will follow, like the way Holmes did when he left, and Wallace, and Brown when Ben isn't in.
 
you also have to take that with a grain of salt...

as Mill wasn't your average Steelers fan. He was often doom and gloom.

Let us speed dial it to present.

It would be like taking your most negative poster here, and having that be the average opinion for the board.

I want to go as far as saying Mills was in a small percentage of how fans felt at the time.

Out of all the boards I visited ( a lot way back when) his board was by far the most disgruntled, and he spear headed it.

Been a Steeler fan for over 40 years. I have read 7-8 different sites in the last 15 years they all bitched then and they all ***** now. This is pretty much the norm for all NFL teams by the way not just the Steelers. There will always be a percentage of fans that will never be satisfied.
 
I'm curious to know how many more seasons without a playoff win are necessary before the bitching becomes justified.

They're currently in danger of their fifth straight such season.
 
I'm curious to know how many more seasons without a playoff win are necessary before the bitching becomes justified.

They're currently in danger of their fifth straight such season.

What's incredible is how satisfied some are with this notion. I hope all falls into place and the Steelers make it into the playoffs tomorrow, but if they don't, this streak is unacceptable.
 
What's incredible is how satisfied some are with this notion. I hope all falls into place and the Steelers make it into the playoffs tomorrow, but if they don't, this streak is unacceptable.

Many fans are content with "non-losing" seasons, and what is most disturbing is how it increasingly feels like the Steelers themselves, from ownership down, are becoming content with it.

Barring a miraculous post season berth and run this season, a new direction is needed, though Tomlin is here for three more years no matter what.
 
This is the part that scares me the most about Tomlin... and where I think he could make the biggest improvement: he doesn't seem to develop young players very well.

Yes, I guess we can throw some of the blame for this on Kevin Colbert as well... but from 2000 - 2007, Colbert (with Cowher) did an outstanding job with their first round selections (Hampton, Polamalu, Ben, Heath, Timmons) that the precipitous drop-off in quality after Cowher left is a mystery. Was it the tandem of Cowher/Colbert together that led to quality picks, while Tomlin/Colbert just does not have that same chemistry? Was Colbert just in the right place at the right time, and those hits really were Cowher's call all along? Or is Colbert still making quality picks, but Tomlin isn't developing and "coaching up" these young players?

Of this, we'll probably never know. But, if the team is committed to keeping Tomlin as coach, then maybe it's time to shake things up from above and replace Colbert? I wonder how Cowher would feel about a cushy front office job as director of player personnel? (OK... that last part was a joke.)

Cower did a great job drafting Timmons. ....
 
Thanks for the read Super Dave. It definately was done by a nay sayer. Cohwer wasn't perfect but he was a very good coach and a great talent evaluator. All coaches have their gaff year but not consecutive and poor inbetween, such as our current coach. I loved the chin showers, they were definately a play to the camera. I'd take any eight year stretch over this current regime stretch. At least we always knew Cohwer had something coming that was better.




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Seems to be a lot of confusion as to why I reposted Still MIlls Cowher evaluation. I did it for the following reasons.

1) To dispel the fallacy that Cowher wasn't criticized like Tomlin is. That is complete bullshit. The people giving me karma for posting it are the very same people who perpetuate that myth.

2) StillMill is an *******. He was also delusional. Cowher rebuilt that team and went on to a 6-3 record in the post season including 3 more AFC Championship Games and a Super Bowl Championship. He missed the playoffs twice in 6 years after that diatribe. However one of those seasons was an 8-8 non losing season in which which we finished strong; so under "Tomlin Rules" that season is a success. #sarcasm #loweringthebar

3) PPG Columnist Ron Cook was an ******* too. in 2003 he would float the contrived stat of the Steelers missing the playoffs in 4 of the last 6 seasons as part of his FIRE Cowher mantra. COMPLETELY disregarding what Cowher had accomplished from 1992-1997. The following season the Steelers went 15-1 with a ROOKIE QB and advanced to the AFC Championship game. Only to have that teams accomplishments dismissed by new team President Art Rooney II

4) Art The Deuce was not the calm guiding force that one would expect from the Rooney family. After the AFC Championship loss in 2004 he threatened change. He backed that up by refusing to extend Cowher, breaking long standing established protocol. Cowher then went on to lead the team to the long awaited 5th Super Bowl Championship. Cowher fulfilled his promise to Dan, and then fulfilled his contract with the Steelers, and left after the following season.

Kind of makes you wonder how the Deuce feels now? No playoff wins in 5 years.

I was the first one on this board to advocate the hiring of Mike Tomlin. I think he displayed exceptional leadership qualities. I still believe that. However his penchant for "Gut Decisions" has cost this team wins and that is why we are currently on the outside looking in. We simply cannot afford mistakes from the sideline, not with this defense.

Tomlin needs to become a better coach and if he can't see that, and The Deuce doesn't want to admit that, well, then we've got a big problem.
 
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I can like the post because even with all the the things Still Mill wrote I never called for Cowher head. Just like I'm now not calling for Tomlin's. So thats why I liked it. Also Mill did not post here. So so while posting that doesn't prove that was the sentiment here. And I'm not calling anyone a liar. I just remember the Kordell argument dominated the board like the fire Tomlin threads and posts do now. Also there are so many old heads of the board wishing Cowher was back. Which is my point if you weren't back then wishing for Cowher to be gone by no means should you be wishing Tomlin gone now. At the same point Tomlin had already achieved what we all call the only goal. Cowher had not. Now of course of you want to add the obligatorily "he had Ben and it was Cowher team" go right ahead. My point is if you weren't in realtime appreciating Cowher accomplishments your hindsight appreciation means nothing.
 
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After it is revealed that Tomlin in fact drafted Timmons.. this will be labeled a bad pick.

Not a great pick and has been the most overpaid player by far for years. He's just a average linebacker
 
Not a great pick and has been the most overpaid player by far for years. He's just a average linebacker

Timmons was a good pick. For 1-2 years he was likely the best player on the defense. He's still decent. I do agree though, he's over paid.

The Steelers over value and over pay the Inside Linebacker and center position, and play the penny stocks for their cornerbacks. Don't ask me why.
 
Rossi: Don't trust Tomlin? Put faith in Rooneys
By Rob Rossi
Saturday, Jan. 2, 2016, 10:24 p.m.
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Stay away from the eggnog. Apparently, it has been spiked. People actually believe the Steelers should fire Mike Tomlin.

I believe in the Rooney Way.

I don't believe Pittsburgh's best owners — if not the best owners in NFL history — are listening to the crazy talk calling for the Steelers to change coaches.

Dan Rooney turned the Steelers into the Steelers. He found Chuck Noll when Joe Paterno turned him down in 1969. When choosing Noll's successor 22 years (and four Super Bowl wins) later, Rooney picked Bill Cowher over Dave Wannstedt. After Cowher's 15-season run, Rooney shrewdly turned a ready-to-win-again team over to Tomlin instead of Cowher assistants Ken Whisenhunt or Russ Grimm.

If two out of three ain't bad, how long past all night will we need to talk about Rooney's perfection regarding coaching hires? His guys have combined for a 466-311-2 record, 20 division titles and six championships.

Maybe some of you don't trust Tomlin. I trust the track record of the guy who handed his Steelers over to Tomlin.

Even if we disagree on Tomlin's job performance, we should remember when a Steelers coach's job security last was a topic of debate. Then, as has been the case for the Steelers' best years, Rooney knew better than everybody else.

He stuck by Cowher when the Steelers went 22-26 and missed out on the playoffs from 1998-2000, but that faith was not blind.

Changes were demanded of the Crafton-born Cowher. And by listening to his boss, a pretty good coach became really, really good.

Over his final six seasons, Cowher delegated more authority to coordinators. Developing young players continued to be a priority, but trust in them improved because Cowher worked well with Kevin Colbert, Tom Donahoe's successor as director of football operations.

Cowher's run with the Steelers ended successfully and nearly legendarily. His teams won 63 of 96 regular-season games and a Super Bowl. If not for Bill Belichick's Patriots, Cowher might have won three championships from 2001-06.

Instead, he settled for the one he had promised Rooney when hired in 1992.

“When people ask me about why the Steelers' coaches work out, I always tell them the same thing: Dan Rooney,” Tony Dungy said. “Dan knows what he's doing, especially with coaches.

“It's because Dan trusts his process to find the right person to coach his football team. And because he trusts that process, he trusts the coach to make it work.

“It doesn't always work in this league. Not every year. But when it doesn't work for the Steelers, the coach gets to work on fixing it with Dan Rooney instead of getting fired.”

So, this offseason, Tomlin and Rooney will get to work fixing it and…

Only the Rooney he likely will work closest with is Dan's son, Art II, the Steelers president. Steelers fans should consider themselves fortunate that Art II shares his father's willingness to get involved and unwillingness to do something crazy like other owners.

If you like what Ben Roethlisberger has become as the Steelers' franchise quarterback, you should feel better about Art II.

Whatever anybody says otherwise, it was his call to bring in Todd Haley as offensive coordinator. The Chief's grandson made that call even though it wasn't popular with Roethlisberger, despite it looking as though the team president — not the coach — was dictating staffing decisions.

Art Rooney Sr. is beloved, but the Steelers never won until his son, Dan, assumed major decision-making responsibilities. Art Rooney II has proven himself a worthy successor.

If the Steelers aren't in the playoffs come Sunday night, or if they are yet fail to win a postseason game for a fifth consecutive year, Art II should sit Tomlin down and ask some hard questions.

Why are the Steelers, with 19 top-five scoring defenses since the NFL-AFL merger, about to go a third consecutive year outside the top 10?

Why have the Steelers, with an AFC North-leading six division titles, lost 8 of 11 to the Baltimore Ravens and gone 8-10 against Ravens coach John Harbaugh?

Why don't the Steelers beat up on sub-.500 teams instead of getting beaten by them?

And why aren't draft picks developing into better players or at least sticking around?

Tomlin needs to answer those questions. He also needs to find solutions. But Tomlin isn't a problem.

The Browns have problems. The Eagles have problems.

The Steelers have a coach who never has led them to a losing season.

Tomlin has led the Steelers during a transition from a franchise that wins with defense to one that wins with offense in a pass-happy NFL. He is leading the rebuilding of the defense.

At his current pace, Tomlin will be just 53 when he passes Noll for the most wins (193) in Steelers history.

But sure, fire the coach.

Next week, we can talk about cutting Big Ben. After that, we can explore putting decals on both sides of the helmet.

Rob Rossi is a staff writer for the Tribune-Review. Reach him at rrossi@tribweb.com or via Twitter @RobRossi_Trib.
 
Rossi needs a history lesson.
 
Problem is the weaknesses are repetitive

if nothing else the Rooney's need to step in and do a D makeover

and who ever has the final decisions in the draft process, flip the script.
 
Rossi is delusional and contradictory.
 
The Deuce's Rooney Way is nothing like his fathers or grandfathers, hence point 4 from my post above.

I want Rossi to ask The Deuce this question:

If not winning the AFC Championship game was reason enough for The Deuce to threaten Bill Cowher; then what is his reaction to NO playoff wins in half a decade?

More than anyone, Art II owns this failure, and by the standard that he set, it is completely unacceptable..
 
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