Harris and this offense are a poor fit
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Najee will be just fine. The entire offense right now is finding their identity. I have to remind you all that the other Harris, Franco, had a down year his second season. And I think people were calling him a one-year wonder. But he managed to have an OK career after that. The biggest gripe with Franco his second year was, people and coaches said he was 'dancing at the holes'. Seems exactly what Najee is doing now. Calm down folks, Najee will figure this out and be really good if the line ever gels...
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Say what you want, that’s fine. I disagree. I just think he’s a guy. And we definitely shouldn’t have spent a first rounder on him.
He has trouble holding onto the ball, that wouldn't get him more reps or shouldn't.
This is why you dont draft RBs in R1. Could have shored up our OL and we got a RB we cant block for
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This is true on both sides of the ball. We really don't know the talent level of many of the newer guys. They are hidden behind scheme, which sucks beyond suck.
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Go back and look at all the runs - this year and last - outside the tackle. Najee gets room and really moves it up the field. Those runs are much much better than the gap-dives that they do/did 95% of the time.
IF and this is IF, they would have used Green properly last year and installed the outside running game. We would be talking about the Steelrs as contenders and a legit playoff team.
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The top 25 Running Backs in the NFL using a yards per carry average to rank them, and only using players who have over 25 attempts to remove fluke splash players (only 1 removed). Looking at the numbers, it seems pretty reasonable to choose a running back in the first round. Swift leads all of them with 8.6 avg. and Rashaad Penny leads the first rounders with 6.0. Herbert and Jones are the only other backs over 6.0 avg. What about Najee? 3.5 avg
Round 1 Draft Picks: 8 - Penny, Patterson, Barkley, Edwards-Helaire, Jacobs, Hall, Ingram, McCaffrey
Round 2 Draft Picks: 5 - Swift, Chubb, Sanders, Williams, Cook
Round 3 Draft picks: 3 - D. Harris, Montgomery, Hunt
Round 4 Draft Picks: 3 - Pierce, Stevenson, Pollard
Round 5 Draft Picks: 2 - A. Jones, Allgeier,
Round 6 Draft Picks: 1 - K. Herbert
Round 7 Draft Picks: 1 - Pacheco
Un-drafted Draft Picks: 2 - J. Wilson, J. Robinson
Round 1 Draft Picks: 8 - Penny, Patterson, Barkley, Edwards-Helaire, Jacobs, Hall, Ingram, McCaffrey
Round 2 Draft Picks: 5 - Swift, Chubb, Sanders, Williams, Cook
Round 3 Draft picks: 3 - D. Harris, Montgomery, Hunt
Round 4 Draft Picks: 3 - Pierce, Stevenson, Pollard
Round 5 Draft Picks: 2 - A. Jones, Allgeier,
Round 6 Draft Picks: 1 - K. Herbert
Round 7 Draft Picks: 1 - Pacheco
Un-drafted Draft Picks: 2 - J. Wilson, J. Robinson
Surprisingly the line is a little better than last year but Harris has gotten worse.
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With Mitch throwing 90% of his passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage, it's easy to stack the box and stop the run.
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warren needs to call Jarome Bettis up and meet with him for some BALL CONTROL coaching from one of the best to know that topic.
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THIS.
One factor is the lack of using him in the passing game but I still see a slowness of his in hitting the hole. Could be lingering injury.
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It was the same thing last year though.
Blaming the line and the scheme has some merit, but mostly its a copout for people who jumped on the Harris bandwagon too early.
Here are some nextgen stats from a triblive article.
Through Week 3, the NFL’s own Next Gen Stats said Harris was the league’s second-worst running back in “rushing yards over expected” at minus-46. On a per-carry average, Next Gen Stats pegs Harris at gaining 1.14 fewer yards than should be expected based on the play and the blocking.
For perspective, Chicago’s Khalil Herbert leads the NFL in with a plus-2.92 rushing yards over expected.
Next Gen Stats isn’t the only advanced metrics outlet that paints Harris in a poor light. Footballoutsiders.com’s myriad statistics rank Harris between 19th and 24th among 38 qualifying NFL running backs. In its most comprehensive and all-encompassing numbers, Football Outsiders ranks Harris 22nd and 24th in “Yards Above Replacement” and “Value Over Yardage.” The outlet also has Harris 22nd in “success rate,” which measures how effective each carry is based on down and distance.
Harris is graded by Pro Football Focus as 19th among 28 qualifying running backs overall and in “rush” grades. Harris is 24th in yards after contact (2.50 per carry) and has the third-fewest missed tackles forced (six) of the 28 leading rushers. For perspective, PFF says NFL rushing leader Nick Chubb has forced 26 missed tackles.
Only one of the NFL’s 28 leading rushers has a lower long carry than Harris (11 yards), and Harris’ three runs of 10-or-more yards ranks as tied for fifth-fewest among the league’s featured backs.
Here are some nextgen stats from a triblive article.
Through Week 3, the NFL’s own Next Gen Stats said Harris was the league’s second-worst running back in “rushing yards over expected” at minus-46. On a per-carry average, Next Gen Stats pegs Harris at gaining 1.14 fewer yards than should be expected based on the play and the blocking.
For perspective, Chicago’s Khalil Herbert leads the NFL in with a plus-2.92 rushing yards over expected.
Next Gen Stats isn’t the only advanced metrics outlet that paints Harris in a poor light. Footballoutsiders.com’s myriad statistics rank Harris between 19th and 24th among 38 qualifying NFL running backs. In its most comprehensive and all-encompassing numbers, Football Outsiders ranks Harris 22nd and 24th in “Yards Above Replacement” and “Value Over Yardage.” The outlet also has Harris 22nd in “success rate,” which measures how effective each carry is based on down and distance.
Harris is graded by Pro Football Focus as 19th among 28 qualifying running backs overall and in “rush” grades. Harris is 24th in yards after contact (2.50 per carry) and has the third-fewest missed tackles forced (six) of the 28 leading rushers. For perspective, PFF says NFL rushing leader Nick Chubb has forced 26 missed tackles.
Only one of the NFL’s 28 leading rushers has a lower long carry than Harris (11 yards), and Harris’ three runs of 10-or-more yards ranks as tied for fifth-fewest among the league’s featured backs.
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No he's not. He is not good either. Basically he lacks acceleration to hole and speed. Can't run outside at all. A slow starting in-between the tackles runner, who mostly never hits big plays....vs the run or pass. I wanted to check out his timed 40 and 10 yard speed, but he did not run for the NFL! Not in the combine or his pro day. Hmmm....
He not a bust. He is just a guy and you know where he is going to be. We need better from our starting back. We need to admit that.
Chubb and Taylor are backs we should have drafted and could have drafted. I was high on both guys pre-draft. But we passed on them in round one and spent out first round pick on Harris. How's that working?
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Canada calls wildly different plays when Najee is in vs when Warren is in.
Chubb was drafted in the 2nd round of the 2018 NFL Draft. We already had our RB in Conner. So you suggested we take a RB in the 1st when we already had a high quality RB? ******* brilliant. While I will say that we should not have drafted Turdell Edumnds in the 1st, I cannot say that we should have spent that pick on Chubb.
and, do explain how we should have drafted Jonathan Taylor in 2020, when he was a top pick in the 2nd round ... and we didnt have a first round pick due to trading for Minkah.
*edit* - Harris was drafted in 2021
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I would like to have a better back, wouldn't you? I don't always compliment myself, I am pointing out Steeler gaffes. How Harris working out? Almost as bad as Edmunds, but not quite as bad as Bush? Yep. Who I would have drafted? I won't mention it, but I can if you request.
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We had our chance for both players in different drafts but settled on spending our 1st round pick in a different draft with Harris
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We could have drafted both guys. Chubb for sure. Ok maybe not Taylor without a trade up. It would have been better than Claypool.
and I showed you that we only had a shot at taking Chubb, since he was taken in the top of the 2nd... when we took Turdell. Yet we already had Conner. We had a back and had other needs.
"maybe not Taylor" - dude, we had no shot at him. None. And, I'd rather have a stud like Minkah who will have a longer career than Taylor (since RBs tend to have a very short shelf life).
Your argument was not about Jumppool. your argument was about Taylor. Using your logic, I'd rather have had Justin Herbert than Jumppool. But that's a wildly insane argument... one I'm sure you're about to bloviate over.
He isn't going to soak in anything you said. I have never seen anyone who had worse comprehension issues.
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