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We are stroking guys we pointed fingers at last few years. New blood coming, the others will be forgotten
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I agree the Clowns WAY overpaid for him.
4 picks, three of them 1sts, and then a round swap of another? Too much.
Their window is 2 years before they’re cap hamstrung.
They have an awesome O-Line, 2 stud RBs, and now a QB that can see over his lineman AND is a better football player than actor.
Stefanski made a star of Kirk Cousins and helped The Midget go toe to toe with KC in the playoffs the season before last.
DWat is no boy scout, but we’re talking about playing football.
He does that REALLY well, and I’d take him over any QB on our roster in the last 3 years…..yes, including Ben. NOT saying Ben circa 2004 - 2017.
Cooper is ok , but he is far from a stud receiver. He has been hurt about half of his career. I was shocked his best TD season is only 8. Not to mention Cleveland is the place WR's go to die.
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I agree with you on most. I just don't think he is a great qb. He does make the browns better.
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Maybe.
But I think some of what you think may be due to the hot flaming garbage of a team he’s been on.
Besides DHop, he really hasn’t had anything other help down in Texas.
NOT saying organizationally the Clowns are better.
But right now, with their current players, this is the best team DWat will be playing on by leaps and bounds.
This will absolutely show if he’s who I think he is vs who you think he is.
I think it’s why the clowns know The Midget is definitively NOT a franchise QB.
DeAndre Hopkins is one of the best skill position players in the NFL over the past 10 years. In 2019 with Hopkins and the eminently mediocre Will Fuller, Watson threw 26 TD's and 12 picks and went 10-6.
In 2018, with the eminently mediocre Taylor Gabriel as his #1 and a good receiver in Allen Robinson, Mitchell Trubisky threw 24 TD and 12 picks and went 12-4.
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Soooooo, are you either insinuating or flat out saying Mitch Trubusky is a better QB than Desean Watson........?
DeAndre Hopkins is one of the best skill position players in the NFL over the past 10 years. In 2019 with Hopkins and the eminently mediocre Will Fuller, Watson threw 26 TD's and 12 picks and went 10-6.
In 2018, with the eminently mediocre Taylor Gabriel as his #1 and a good receiver in Allen Robinson, Mitchell Trubisky threw 24 TD and 12 picks and went 12-4.
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For the cost of trade, the salary, the potential suspension, and the fact that Watson has already sat out a year, I will go on record saying I would rather have Trubisky as my starting QB over Watson. Watson would really have to perform well to overcome all the "Cons" in his column.
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I get it.
Everyone thinks the Clowns are the worst, a terrible organization, and Desean Watson is the devil incarnate.
Throw in all the caveats you want to change the narrative.
I’m simply saying, and maintaining, Watson is a better QB talent wise than Mayfield, Trubisky, Lamar, Andy possibly Joey B.
All you thinking he’s going to go to Cleveland and suck because he’s now playing in Cleveland are kidding yourselves.
If this is Cleveland circa 1999 - 2019, I’d agree with you instantaneously.
This isn’t those Browns.
Mayfield wasn’t this current front office/coaching staff’s pick. He’s not a franchise QB. They know this and it’s why they didn’t pick up his option and why he’s whining wanting out.
And make all the excuses you want, but these Clowns best us on our field in the playoffs. Whatever 1 or 2 steps back they took last year?
They just catapulted ahead 50.
Going from The Midget to Watson is like going from a 13in black and white CRT to a 8K digital on an IMAX.
NONE of the above have anything to do with our moves this offseason, our team and players, our situation, etc.
Again, I think they gave up A LOT, probably too much. And there are many questions left to be answered from his legal entanglements and possible time off from Rog.
But once he’s on the field.............
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I would say this about any team that made a move like this to acquire Watson for the reasons I've already stated. The fact that it's Cleveland with their track record only makes it that much easier.
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They did give up a lot, but as you said, with their history it's easy to understand why. The organization has failed to produce a winning product on the field and they haven't made their first-round selections count until the past couple of seasons.
Honestly the odds that three first round picks produce a watson level qb are pretty slim… historically regular first round picks tend to hover just under 50% as a bust rate… its a bit higher for qbs cause of the reaches
The part everyone isn’t really stressing right now is that to avoid losing a bundle during a suspension this season ( even guaranteed money the league can apparently do something about) and to pacify this years cap, the browns are only going to have about 10-11 mill hit the cap this season… which actually takes the remaining four years up to about 55 million per season in cap hits…
Now i often argue that high qb costs kneecap depth not starters, but thats guys signing 10-15% of the cap contracts… assuming the cap goes up to 230 mil next year as planned, thats still 23% of their cap.. i mean that cuts into operational starters without first round cheap players to fill in for 3 seasons…
Yes, of course, that is exactly what I was saying. You bet.
Or maybe, just maybe - hold on here - I was saying that Watson's actual production was good but not mind-blowing with one of the best skill position players in the NFL on his team. I used Trubisky for comparison, since he is apparently (from what I keep hearing) a steaming pile of dogshit and yet somehow, through a visit to Lourdes or something, had similar production to Watson when Watson had DeAndre Hopkins catching his passes.
This guy is so ****** awesome he cannot statistically be replaced by taking a Qb in the first round three years in a row if required and in all his awesomeness he is 28-26. Because that was all the other players fault not his. And hey it's the Browns who are sooooooooo much better then those Texans teams. **** I can't wait for the Trubisky led Steelers to take a dump on these guys next year. Look this is the stupidest gamble ever. People would say it was Ditka and the trade your entire draft but half those guys would never play in the NFL anyhow. This is three guys who likely start and 200 million in cap space God I can't wait for this to crater on them.
I would say statistically Brady gives you best shot at a Title but I agree.
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So, ONLY because Mitch had Robinson, and ONLY because Watson had Hopkins did they produce anything decent/good/mind blowing?
So the awesome WR makes the QB great?
Good to know.
Hey, as Steeler fan, I hope you’re right. I hope the Clowns be the Clowns and waste Watson.
I hope he is as overrated as you say and he’s exposed as only perceived as good because of Hopkins. I hope and pray for these things.
But I’m not a retarded homer. I can be critical and praising of my teams and the other 31. I call it like I see it.
The tape says he’s a special talent.
And with an adequate to above average supporting cast, he’s going to prove it.
But that’s just like my opinion, man.
Let's throw a little gasoline on you guys' debate. Is record against teams with a winning record an indication of how good a QB is, or how good a team is? When evaluating Watson, does it matter that teams he's been the QB of have such a terrible record against teams with winning records?
"Since entering the NFL in 2017, Deshaun Watson is 7-19 (.269) against teams that finished the season with a winning record."
"In 2020, Deshaun Watson was 0-9 (.000) against winning teams as the starting quarterback."
https://www.sportsandfitnessdigest.com/deshaun-watson-record-against-winning-teams/
"Since entering the NFL in 2017, Deshaun Watson is 7-19 (.269) against teams that finished the season with a winning record."
"In 2020, Deshaun Watson was 0-9 (.000) against winning teams as the starting quarterback."
https://www.sportsandfitnessdigest.com/deshaun-watson-record-against-winning-teams/
the browns and watson can go suck a dick
bone them with a red hot poker
bone them with a red hot poker
So you're saying that ONLY the great and mighty Deshaun Watson is worthy of being a starting QB in the NFL, and we should all bow down to him and worship his mightiness?
Good to know.
See how ******* annoying that is?
But so do QB's.
Good find.
From the link:
Qb's with winning records against winning teams:
- Ben Roethlisberger
- Jimmy Garoppolo
- Lamar Jackson
- Patrick Mahomes
- Russell Wilson
- Tom Brady
Funny I'm not seeing the Browns lord and savior on it.
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The Steelers, 49ers, Ravens, Chiefs, Seahawks, and Patriots/Buccaneers?
I know we all love believing that just the QB wins or loses games, or just the coach wins or loses games, but this is a team sport.
Yes, the QB is the leader.
But he doesn’t do it all himself. He needs an adequate supporting cast.
And besides Hopkins and the other Watt that in the latter stages of his career, Watson didn’t have much else.
To me, this will be like Stafford leaving Detroit……without the SB win in the first year.