Gildong Sack
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Explains it to the deluded starting at the 2:00 minute mark.
Watching replays I think some of this is scheme and some is Ben not striking any fear into the hearts of OLB's and the secondary having to worry about any scrambling or outside contain. They could pack the middle stuffing the run and the middle of the field making Bens look short or deep outside and only really having to cover there. Even a fractionally more mobile QB would have changed that dynamic to a degree.Charlie Batch flat out said the scheme was the problem, and you're not going to do a damn thing when the RB is getting hit in the backfield on the majority of his carries, and the QB, regardless if it's Ben or Mason has 2.5 seconds to throw before being under pressure
I think the world of Ben. But at this point in his career, what would you call his strengths? He didn't move well at all and his arm was inconsistent. That doesn't make for a lot of success.I can’t help but to agree with some of Simms reasoning and admit I even thought it myself at times. But doesn’t it go back to Tomlins saying of if you have red paint you paint your barn red? If they were going to keep Ben then why didn’t they play to his strengths rather than trying to run an offense that didn’t play to anything he still could do well? Maybe Canada can run a better offense with people that fit it better, but I think they did a piss poor job of deciding to go against anything Ben was good at. And I’m not defending Ben, he’s not the same player he once was. But it just felt like the old cram a square peg in a round hole type of thing.
It's funny the only time we moved the ball or were dangerous on offense was when we were trailing late in games, if Ben was running the show don't you think we'd have run a **** ton of no huddle? We moved the ball when Ben was in control of the play calling in the hurry up. Gerry Dulac has said it, Charlie Batch has said it, Bouchette, hell anyone that covers the team.
Ben absolutely isn't what he once was, he obviously has limitations, but one way to slow a pass rush down is to go up tempo/no huddle, something we only do when we are trailing, this goes back several years no matter who the OC is, that's Tomlin's ultra conservative offense.
You know, hahaha, I'm that guy. I had the feeling it wouldn't work, but ****, part of the fun of being a fan is being optimistic, what else do we really have control over with the Steelers but our attitude toward them, so I talked myself into thinking it could work. Then they beat the Bills up there...You all can't have it both ways.
If we win, it's because of Ben, and only because of Ben, because Canada sucks.
And when we lose it's because of Canada, and only because of Canada, because Canada sucks.
It's just as maddening when people say "Ben won two SuperBowls". No Ben did not. The Steelers won two SuperBowls when Ben was part of the TEAM.
There's a LOT of factors why we looked like arse on offense.
Our offensive line was garbage.
WRs dropping passes.
Canada couldn't go "full retard" ( for your Tropic Thunder fans ) because of Ben's physical limitations.
Both Kaboly and Bouchette wrote articles on this very topic.
Tomlin, Canada, Rooney, Colbert, NOBODY in the organization is going to say, "Well, Ben wanted to come back and we didn't have the heart to say no, so he really hamstrung us with the play calling."
Canada said in multiple interviews that he only picked plays Ben was comfortable with. Is that one play? 50 plays? Is it only 1/10, 1/3, 1/2, 3/4 of Canada's playbook?
I've never been a Ben cheerleader while he's been here, but I can admit we don't win those two SuperBowls, or appear in another, without him.
That sais, for all you thinking that the past few years of Ben are ANYWHERE near Ben circa 2005 - 2015, you're fooling yourself.
He took ABUSE behind garbage lines early in his career, and again at the end.
He physically couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, there were glimpses every once and a while of the ol' sandlot gunslinger, but these past few years, no team feared a deep ball from him at all.
The offense became predictable and easily contained due to his physical limitations.
Because of what Ben has meant to the organization, and because we don't currently roster any semblance of a post Ben plan, the Steelers were going to let Ben go out on his terms. Bad or good. And it was BAD.
NOT laying ALL the blame at Ben's feet.
Most of the blame actually belongs to Tomlin and Rooney and Colbert.
Allowing Ben to come back ( but not without a payout to help the cap ) and be and do Ben, they knew this is what this was going to be.
Ben has NEVER been a system QB.
Canada's offense is ABSOLUTELY systematic.
Whomever didn't see this perfect storm brewing last preseason after Ben announced coming back and Canada taking over and wanting to implement a BRAND NEW offense, is either delusional or perpetually optimistic.
I'm in no way defending Canada.
But I also don't think he is the primary and or sole cause of blame.
But he should be given a legitimate opportunity to install his system, his FULL playbook, and have it run accordingly.
If that happens this year and the team still looks like arse, then absolutely fire Canada.
..........and Tomlin should be a package deal with that, too!
Perpetually optimistic……like we all are gameday.You know, hahaha, I'm that guy. I had the feeling it wouldn't work, but ****, part of the fun of being a fan is being optimistic, what else do we really have control over with the Steelers but our attitude toward them, so I talked myself into thinking it could work. Then they beat the Bills up there...
So which am I...delusional or perpetually optimistic?
i agree with Charlie Batch. And all these reasons carried over from last year are why you go out and draft an incredibly mobile interior lineman and a receiving TE - because you want to stretch the defense horizontally. The plan is to out maneuver them.Charlie Batch flat out said the scheme was the problem, and you're not going to do a damn thing when the RB is getting hit in the backfield on the majority of his carries, and the QB, regardless if it's Ben or Mason has 2.5 seconds to throw before being under pressure
There really is nothing you can say against this. Opponents did this to the O all year long. And the playcalling never changed.P.S. Explain why we had no game plan for KC (KC had already played 17 games including one against us)? Why did we not have plays in the lineup for when KC had 9 in the box with tight man coverage? Why did we not have something for Ben to do when it was 3rd and 2 and KC had all ******* 11 men within 5 yards of the LOS (8 or 9 of which were within 2 to 3 yards of the line)? This is all 100% on Canada.
No they aren't. If a ball is floating around up there, a sideline throw will go out of bounds or at least has a more limited area for a defender to make a play. What I hate about the reliance on those throws is it also limits the receiver to some extent. If the damn ball is floating around in the middle of the field though, look out.What a load of horseshit. It's all Ben's fault. He's changing plays! Guess somebody forgot to tell Simms that Canada's system has no audibles.
Is Ben calling plays in hurry up? Maybe. And maybe that's why they're successful.
Rodgers got McCarthy fired and the media loved it. Brady has modified Arians offense. Let Russ cook!
But Big Ben? How dare he want input into the great Matt canada's offense that is so great that he can't hold a job for more then a few years.
Too many quick passes? Has he not watched the steelers offense the last 5 years? That has been the staple for years.
Oh, Ben's arm is shot eh? I guess that explains why Canada call so many deep balls down the sideline. And if Ben's arm is shot then why so many outside throws? Throwing over the middle would be easier throws by somehow Canada's scheme has few throws over the middle.
I think one of the things that is being overlooked in all of this because we are so pissed at the mess...one of the great things about the Steelers organization is they are loyal to players. I think their loyalty to Ben caused them to try this. It didn't turn out well, but it reminds me of the early 80s. It is cold blooded to just cut guys who have done so much. They held on to some of those 70s guys a bit too long, and probably did the same here. I'm glad I am a fan of an organization that maybe makes mistakes in that way.It was stupid to bring Ben back if you put handcuffs on him with this offense. When Ben did his own thing the offense moved. Seven 4th quarter come from behind wins. When Ben ran the rpo the part where the QB is a run option is basically thrown out the window. Ben can't run. So yeah. You can put the blame on Ben if you want or simply call the entire coaching staff and front office idiots for bringing Ben back to run their offense knowing that the QB is old and slow. And that is not getting into how bad of a plan they had for our OL this season.