Holy ****.
Ireland is a country. It is also an Island.
WV is a state. Bordered directly by land to other states.
It needs emphasizing daily - you suck at this.
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Holy ****.
Ireland is a country. It is also an Island.
WV is a state. Bordered directly by land to other states.
It needs emphasizing daily - you suck at this.
Maryland is highly vaccinated. #8 in the nation, 66% fully vaxed, 85% of adults vaxed.
Nearly a Third of Maryland’s COVID Deaths in Past 6 Weeks Among Fully Vaccinated: Health Dept.
Roughly 30% of Maryland residents who died from coronavirus-related illnesses between Sept. 1 and Oct. 15 were fully vaccinated, the state health department said.
www.washingtoninformer.com
This seems to be the crux of the matter. While certain vaccines do take 2 doses, we were assured 2 doses of this vaccine would protect everyone.
Why should we believe a third dose will be the ticket?
Same rationale for lockdowns and masking. When lockdowns and masking failed, the gubmint fixed it by implementing "more lockdowns/masks."
Vaxes waning? More boosters is the answer. More always fixes everything.
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We shouldn't. All we know is the third dose appears to boost the immune response. I haven't seen anyone promise it will provide lifelong protection. I don't think they really know. It's a new virus and a new vaccine.
If we can get the spread under control for some period of time we might be able to prevent new variants from coming along. As long as there are tens of thousands of new cases every day (in this country alone) there's more chance for variants to occur that will elude vaccines.
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If only there was a process for determining such things.
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It's not based on simply "more is the answer" though. There's data that shows the third dose boosts antibodies and reduces infection and severe illness. You like Israeli data, right?
After FDA panel limits US boosters, minister says Israel proves 3rd dose works
Horowitz says US panel received Israeli data 'unequivocally' showing extra shot is effective against Delta; Bennett op-ed: Waiting too long for booster would have squandered gains
www.timesofisrael.com
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I don't see how you get the spread under control when "fully vaccinated" people can catch and spread the virus.
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The only way to know if protection lasts a lifetime is to study it for a lifetime. We didn't do that with other vaccines before using them. Meanwhile we just what, let people get hospitalized and die of a preventable contagious illness? Even if it's only preventable for 6 months or a year at a time? I hope one day we'll have better vaccines that provide lifelong immunity. We have those for some illnesses, only shorter term vaccines for others. Until we do though these are the best weapon we've got.
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The vaccines reduce infection rates. Boosters reduce infection rates further. You'll never get it to zero but you can get it a lot lower than it is now.
It's not based on simply "more is the answer" though. There's data that shows the third dose boosts antibodies and reduces infection and severe illness. You like Israeli data, right?
After FDA panel limits US boosters, minister says Israel proves 3rd dose works
Horowitz says US panel received Israeli data 'unequivocally' showing extra shot is effective against Delta; Bennett op-ed: Waiting too long for booster would have squandered gains
Of course. But to Zona's point, why should we trust it will work? Yes this is data from Israel.
We were presented with data in January. That data turned out being wrong in many ways.
Now, again (little boy who cried wolf) we are hearing the boosters work. "The Data Says."
Pardon many of us for the "wait and see" attitude.
Natural immunity is the answer sadly, given the vaccines don't prevent spread.
Not trying to argue simply to argue, but one can't factually make this statement. Depends on who you listen to and what country. The largest study of its kind in Israel - full vaxed people are at greater risk of hospitalization and 13 times more likely to catch Covid19 than those with natural immunity.
I know there are studies going both ways on this one...which means no one really knows.
Effective vaccines prevent spread of a disease.
I think people have a right to be skeptical of the current vaccine choices and the non stop badgering coming from Washington and the media.
I'm not against vaccines, over my career I administered hundreds if not thousands of them.
My skepticism is why only the Pfizer vaccine, and let's face it, it is the dominant vaccine, is the only choice given.
Therapeutics and natural immunity dismissed, and why is Novo having such a tough time getting their vaccine to market?
Will a traditional protein vaccine be the answer, and will we ever know?
It's tragic in my opinion, that this has become all about power and money rather than the virus itself.
I'm not against vaccines, over my career I administered hundreds if not thousands of them.
My skepticism is why only the Pfizer vaccine, and let's face it, it is the dominant vaccine, is the only choice given.
Therapeutics and natural immunity dismissed, and why is Novo having such a tough time getting their vaccine to market?
Will a traditional protein vaccine be the answer, and will we ever know?
It's tragic in my opinion, that this has become all about power and money rather than the virus itself.
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Maryland is highly vaccinated. #8 in the nation, 66% fully vaxed, 85% of adults vaxed.
Nearly a Third of Maryland’s COVID Deaths in Past 6 Weeks Among Fully Vaccinated: Health Dept.
Roughly 30% of Maryland residents who died from coronavirus-related illnesses between Sept. 1 and Oct. 15 were fully vaccinated, the state health department said.
Wait, aren’t you playing state roulette?
Again…Maryland is 68% vaccinated, the demographic of those people that died (old people) is likely 85%+ vaccinated. So… if 40% of the deaths were vaccinated, 60% of the deaths are from the 15% unvaccinated making them almost 12X more likely to die. Maryland current death rate is .23/100k. And… The vaccines work really well.
How long until you finally get this?
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Assured? No, they said “90% effective” for people who get vaccinated. They never said the vaccine would do a damn thing for the unvaccinated. It’s not like people were required to invest a lot of time and money to get vaccinated, why do you think you’ve been cheated?
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Says no qualified health official.
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Oh stop being so melodramatic. No we don't let people die. There are other treatments that are very effective against this virus besides the vaccine. You don't necessarily HAVE to be vaccinated.
I never said that we should study vaccines for a lifetime. But these vaccines have not been studied for even the standard 10-15 that vaccines typically go through. You could argue that MRNA vaccines in general have been studied for a while, but then you'd also have to admit that they have been a failure by and large. These Covid vaccines represent a modest success I suppose, in that it gets you 3-6 months of at least some protection. Monoclonal antibodies and other therapeutics have been very effective, but for some reason keep getting dismissed as ineffective. Same with natural immunity.
I am not opposed to these vaccines, but lets not make it the end all be all in the fight against this virus. It doesn't prevent contracting, spreading or dying from this virus.
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Feel free to have a wait and see attitude if you want, I don't care. We don't know until we know. We do know in the short run vaccines are somewhat effective at reducing spread and extremely effective at preventing hospitalization and death. We do know boosters enhance the effectiveness of both, at least for some period of time. No we don't know how long that period of time is, but only one way to find out. Just like with every other vaccine ever made! We didn't know tetanus waned after about 7-10 years until it did. We still don't know exactly how long HPV vaccine protection lasts. because some of them haven't been around long enough. Not being able to predict the future doesn't seem like a great reason not to protect yourself in the near term especially if you are someone who is vulnerable to severe illness or death from covid.
Agreed. But so is natural immunity.
Agree? If not, what sCyEnSe supports your view?
Uhhh, no. That was the ENTIRE. POINT. OF. THE. ARTICLE. ABOUT. 97%. VACCINATED. WATEFORD. COUNTY.
No, Tim doesn't like you using Florida, then when Florida cases plummet, South Dakota, then when South Dakota cases plummet, Nebraska, then when Nebraska cases plummet, West Virginia, then when West Virginia cases plummet, back to Florida and on and on and on and on.
You get that, right?
Your memory is selective Trog, President Potato Head assured us.
Maryland is highly vaccinated. #8 in the nation, 66% fully vaxed, 85% of adults vaxed.
Nearly a Third of Maryland’s COVID Deaths in Past 6 Weeks Among Fully Vaccinated: Health Dept.
Roughly 30% of Maryland residents who died from coronavirus-related illnesses between Sept. 1 and Oct. 15 were fully vaccinated, the state health department said.
I am in Western Maryland where just under 50% are vaxxed in my county…far lower than the state %. Stats here are that about 85% of those hospitalized with COVID are unvaxxed. I would imagine the death rate is about the same.
Seems to be in line with the small sample of people I know who have had it recently.
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Uhh, yes. THEY’RE. NOT. DYING. The same cannot be said for WV or any of the other low vaccinated states during the Delta surge. DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT RESULTS.
Playing by your rules. YOU compared WV and VT.
You're guessing.
As I've said to OFTB, your math argument would work...if prior numbers fell in accordance.
Maryland's 7 day Deaths Averages:
Highest of 2020: May 25, 2020 - 67 deaths - 0% vaccinated
Highest of 2021: May 28, 2021 - 90 deaths - 47.2% fully vaxed, 56.8% partially vaxed on THAT date.
Now one would logically expect that if you had half your state vaccinated against the WuFlu, deaths would have DECREASED from the prior year. They INCREASED. By 35%.
I guess the vaccines take time to wind up or something?
As I said before, I guess I'm a traditionalist and expect that as vaccination rates go up, deaths go down. They didn't in MD.
They don't as I just illustrated. These are the worst vaccines still in mainstream use on the market today re: effectiveness.
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Hundreds of medical studies and the medical professionals behind it disagree with your free-loading ***.
Israel - vaccinated people are 13.2x more likely to contract Covid than those with prior Covid infection. <----fake news!! JFC!
We've provided the studies. You choose not to read due to ideology. Why bother to share the data again?
Keep the faith.