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Juju - will he at least get an offer?

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Personally I think if would be ****** if the Steelers don’t at least make him a reasonable offer. He has busted his *** since day one and never complained. Sure, the dancing was annoying but I think he’s capable of 1000 yard seasons over the next 5 years and has proven his toughness and desire to win.
 
They should but the lack of movment off their off-season office carcass has me wondering if they will. Too little money and bigger needs to re-sign.
 
But what is he worth? I say he is a #2 WR worth 8 million a year...
 
SteveA said:
But what is he worth? I say he is a #2 WR worth 8 million a year...
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Bucs WR just was tagged. For every WR that is off the market his price tag could rise. I am thinking 9 a year but who knows leading up to the days of free agency if that mindset changes.
 
They're going to let him see what he can get on the open market. Maybe JuJu comes back to the team and lets them counter, maybe he doesn't. I think at this point both sides have an idea of the maximum the Steelers will offer.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
They're going to let him see what he can get on the open market. Maybe JuJu comes back to the team and lets them counter, maybe he doesn't. I think at this point both sides have an idea of the maximum the Steelers will offer.
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Remeber he has stated he wants to be a STEELERS player for his entire career........... will he actually honor that? Sign a one year affordable with the intentions of a big payday and / or long term deal next year??? Many were on BEN's *** for his comment, how about JuJu being held to some standard as well............ (wishful thinking)

I'm in favor the "Cope" idea as we have a pretty good depth in the WR room.


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Drink IRON City said:
Remeber he has stated he wants to be a STEELERS player for his entire career........... will he actually honor that? Sign a one year affordable with the intentions of a big payday and / or long term deal next year??? Many were on BEN's *** for his comment, how about JuJu being held to some standard as well............ (wishful thinking)

I'm in favor the "Cope" idea as we have a pretty good depth in the WR room.


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"honor that"? he didn't promise/guarantee that he'd be a Steeler his entire career, no matter what. Not that I'm saying they would or I think they would, but if the Steelers gave him a ridiculous douchebaggy lowball offer, should he just take it because he's "honoring" his mentioning that he "wants" to be a Steeler his entire career? What was he supposed to say in that instance? "nah, **** all that man, i'm trying to maximize my career earnings before this game is done with me, if it's not with Pittsburgh then so be it". Of course he has to say the things that won't allow the media and us fickle fans to be all up in his ***.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Remeber he has stated he wants to be a STEELERS player for his entire career........... will he actually honor that? Sign a one year affordable with the intentions of a big payday and / or long term deal next year??? Many were on BEN's *** for his comment, how about JuJu being held to some standard as well............ (wishful thinking)

I'm in favor the "Cope" idea as we have a pretty good depth in the WR room.


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I do think JuJu wants to stay and would consider a lesser deal if it was near or matching his market value. He seems smart enough to know that most splash signings only make it 2-3 years with their new teams and he’d make more staying in Pittsburgh. However, the franchise tag narrowed the receiver market and JuJu just moved up the list of available players.

As far as the receiver room goes, I’m not seeing this same depth. Johnson is very talented but has drop issues. Claypool has huge potential but still needs to develop as an all-around option. Washington is just a guy. Nothing behind these three. I’m taking a wide receiver in the first four rounds if I’m the Steelers.
 
You could offer him something this year with incentives that, if he makes, will hit next years cap. Then again, why should he. This is his possibly 1 chance to get as much guaranteed money as he can. The Steelers probably can't offer that to him but I am sure they can make a $10-12 million per year offer over 4 or 5 years pretty cap friendly for a couple years to keep him if they thought that would get it done. No way do I enter in the price of anything sniffing $15 million per. He is not a stud No. 1 but he is our hardnosed, get the yards, Hines ward type, No. 1 for now.
 
He's going to get 16-17mil per season on the FA market.
Maybe he stays with us for 14-15?
If we retain JuJu, that means Diontae will not be re-signed b/c Claypool will be.
We won't have 3 high priced WR's on the roster at one time.
 
kev4heels said:
He's going to get 16-17mil per season on the FA market.
Maybe he stays with us for 14-15?
If we retain JuJu, that means Diontae will not be re-signed b/c Claypool will be.
We won't have 3 high priced WR's on the roster at one time.
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$14-15 Mil? For Juju? If that's considered a bargain for that guy, I'll pass. Juju is nothing special. He is not a #1, and the best years of his career were opposite AB, drawing all the coverage away from him. If he can be had for $6-$8 mil, I'd kick the tires, otherwise let him walk.
 
Ya, if he wants 16-17 per, then wait for Claypool to develop. That is damn near top range for a WR. Right now, I see Claypool having the biggest potential to be a game-changer on our O, followed by Dionta and then JuJu. But, JuJu does what is asked. Catches the ball. Gets first downs and the yards needed. He's a bigger version of Hines if there ever was a comparison to make. Hines wasn't a No. 1 but we weren't letting him go anywhere. He caught the ball and was there when you needed him. He also blocked like a MFer. JuJu blocks real well too and is physical. I'd love to end up with JuJu, Claypool, Diontae as our top 3 and Washington as our No. 4. With a running game, a decent O-line, a decent TE and Ben back there, this O could be very dangerous. Take away JuJu and we'll have to wait and see. Someone has to step up and be a leader. Right now, I don't see one. Maybe the leader of the room will emerge during the offseason.
 
I think it's academic anyway, because I believe he is going to get an offer the Steelers can't come close to matching. If someone else wants to over pay that guy, be my guest. Juju is a good WR. He's not elite or great. He is a possession receiver at best, a #2/#3 type, and you shouldn't overpay for that. Somebody will, but I hope it isn't the Steelers.
 
I love the guy. But If I really think about it, I love his personality, The way he approaches the game. He is like a kid that gets to play an adult game.

you just dont pay top dollar for that. 6-8 mill a year max. he will be gone.
 
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"honor that"? he didn't promise/guarantee that he'd be a Steeler his entire career, no matter what. Not that I'm saying they would or I think they would, but if the Steelers gave him a ridiculous douchebaggy lowball offer, should he just take it because he's "honoring" his mentioning that he "wants" to be a Steeler his entire career? What was he supposed to say in that instance? "nah, **** all that man, i'm trying to maximize my career earnings before this game is done with me, if it's not with Pittsburgh then so be it". Of course he has to say the things that won't allow the media and us fickle fans to be all up in his ***.
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never said no matter what. DUDE relax, I was playing "devils advocate" in relations to how much BEN is slandered as opposed to everyone else. Similar situation and was making a comparison, Wasn't justifying JuJu's actions or expectations. I knew he would go for the "GOLD" as in cach-ing $$$$$$$$ NO I don't expect JuJu to say anything but what he said and that is the key to Ben's statement as well. Everyone expected BEN to hold true where as JuJu is given a pass.



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SteelerFan448 said:
I do think JuJu wants to stay and would consider a lesser deal if it was near or matching his market value. He seems smart enough to know that most splash signings only make it 2-3 years with their new teams and he’d make more staying in Pittsburgh. However, the franchise tag narrowed the receiver market and JuJu just moved up the list of available players.

As far as the receiver room goes, I’m not seeing this same depth. Johnson is very talented but has drop issues. Claypool has huge potential but still needs to develop as an all-around option. Washington is just a guy. Nothing behind these three. I’m taking a wide receiver in the first four rounds if I’m the Steelers.
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Great points and I'm exactly in the same mind set as JuJu maybe taking a small cut. I was playing devils advocate on the JuJu vs BEN scenario. Reality is they (pro athletes) need to cash in as much as possible due to the short careers. I don't blame any of them in this regards.

Deonte Johnson had turned around his drops once he started working harder on the JUGGs machine and such. I see him continueing that and his drop rate declineing. Chase Claypool was used steadily in the early part of the season and then nearly disappeared due to scheme. With Canada's offensive scheme and the new devotion to running the ball I see Claypool reloaded and ready, he is a 1st round talent. As for Washington, he is clutch and proved that last end season by how Ben consistantly tossed and Washington caught even in combat situations.

You are very corrct in if JuJu walks, we definately need a mid draft pick on a WR, I trust our draft team when it comes to drafting WRs regardless of round picked.


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What a 4 year contract for JuJu might look like:

4 year contract for JuJu for $56M $14M/season average

1st year $1.1M salary $15M signing bonus ($4.75M cap charge this year)
2nd year $1.2M salary $20M Roster bonus ($11.5M Cap charge)
1st 2 years $37.3M fully guaranteed
Yr 3 $9.37M salary ($19.7M cap charge)
Yr 4 $9.37M salary ($19.7M cap charge)

This is a ballpark for a fair contract. Salarys can be listed as much higher in years 3 & 4 and you have a chance of getting out, but still have $20M in dead cap if cut year 3 and $10M if cut in year 4.

The bottom line is, the Steelers can afford to sign a quality FA, but only 1, and it will push a bunch of money down the road.
 
JuJu and Bud will be the first ones out the door, trust me. It’s all about show me the money with these guys and the teams that come up with the guarantee money is who these two sign with. The Steelers simply do not have the cap space to sign these two as much as they would like to have them back but guys, it ain’t going to happen.
This is there one big chance to make major money so they will follow the money.
 
I would give JuJu 10-11 max maybe on a shorter prove it deal. You can't fault him for running the routes he was given or how he was used. The Steelers had a new toy in Claypool and kinda got away from JuJu. I do not think JuJu is a stud #1, but he could be a mid #1 if they use his skill set. Regardless JuJu did well at moving the chains and i hope the Steelers are least give him a decent offer.
 
I will admit to not knowing all the intricacies of the cap, actually I know little about it, but aren't a lot of teams in a similar situation?

With the cap lower than previous years, the Steelers won't be the only team making tough decisions, and a number of players won't be getting
what they normally would. And if these players do get the big payday, will it be for a cellar dwelling team? Going to be interesting.
 
Cope, I like how you broke that down for us. I still think $14 million would be a lot for JuJu but if they want to get something done with him, that's how you would do it. Even if that $14 million were $12 million, you'd have to do that same kind of structure.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
I will admit to not knowing all the intricacies of the cap, actually I know little about it, but aren't a lot of teams in a similar situation?

With the cap lower than previous years, the Steelers won't be the only team making tough decisions, and a number of players won't be getting
what they normally would. And if these players do get the big payday, will it be for a cellar dwelling team? Going to be interesting.
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Here's the current list with the current Hard cap for all teams:

www.spotrac.com

NFL 2022 Salary Cap Tracker

A real-time look at the 2022 salary cap totals for each NFL team, including estimated cap space.
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jitter77 said:
I would give JuJu 10-11 max maybe on a shorter prove it deal. You can't fault him for running the routes he was given or how he was used. The Steelers had a new toy in Claypool and kinda got away from JuJu. I do not think JuJu is a stud #1, but he could be a mid #1 if they use his skill set. Regardless JuJu did well at moving the chains and i hope the Steelers are least give him a decent offer.
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A "prove" it deal....Lol.
 
TDX27 said:
Cope, I like how you broke that down for us. I still think $14 million would be a lot for JuJu but if they want to get something done with him, that's how you would do it. Even if that $14 million were $12 million, you'd have to do that same kind of structure.
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I think JuJu easily gets $14 mill a year. I guess we will see soon.
 
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