Which is why Tomlin should be gone now, but he isn't. So you want him to have more smoke and mirrors to "Succeed" next year and be retained WHY? Oh Why? But whatever they are next year at least it would be real. With someone, who COULD possibly be a starting QB for another 5 plus years.
I'm trying to grasp the concept of reload instead of rebuild
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Which is why Tomlin should be gone now, but he isn't. So you want him to have more smoke and mirrors to "Succeed" next year and be retained WHY? Oh Why? But whatever they are next year at least it would be real. With someone, who COULD possibly be a starting QB for another 5 plus years.
Mason isn't the future starting QB. Everyone wants a QB that is mobile, Ben might still be able to beat Mason in a race. I want the best chance to win, even if it's a long shot. Look at the Browns game and Ravens game, Mahomes got hurt and went out, so did Lamar, you get in the playoffs, who knows.
One thing no one is taking into consideration is the Steelers don't want this to be ugly between them and Ben, like it was with Troy. So really no one is picking us to do much next year with or without Ben, so why not have a nice clean break, he plays one more season and whatever happens, happens. If there was a guy they thought was a sure fire franchise QB behind Ben, and they may risk losing him if they kept Ben, then it would be different, but that's not the case.
If it was a nice clean break financially for sure. Right now he is scheduled to be the highest payed player in the NFL. So you can tack on 15 million to the 2022 or 10 in 2022 and 5 in 2023 to have Ben's non victory lap and happy parting of the ways. Makes zero sense. The team won't be better next year with a way tougher schedule. I highly doubt they even make the playoffs.
The problem is.........you will ask that question for the next 10 years if you could. What exactly have we won with Ben in the last how many years? Reality sets in. He is getting old,he’s like a statue out there. It’s almost time.
Look. I know it’s not all on Ben. He has been great in the past. I know the game planning ,coaching sucks. I have been advocating MT’s firing since the Tebow disaster,but have always been willing to give him a chance to prove me wrong. He has not. But we can’t go back. We have to move forward. Team first. Not individuals. I really suggest you go back and look at the first half of the last 8 games, and really most of the season. And yes.......once again it’s not all Ben.
People forget.....we hadn’t made the playoffs for 2 years. And yes,one of them was with Ben for a whole frigging season. So we actually improved this season. Sometimes I think they went to this quick release,high percentage pass plays so Ben wouldn’t throw so many head scratching int’s. Which he’s had many,many of. As soon as the plays opened up.....guess what. More of the same. Gee,and AB didn’t even run the wrong routes this year.
I have never seen more excuses made for a QB than Ben.
When I saw that snap fly over Ben’s head and the lack of effort,energy he and Connor used in trying to recover that ball I was sick. Instinct as a football player must say you dive for it at all costs. Playoff game. Not even a try. Sickening. Then....hey get back in it next drive,a few good runs and then what. The usual. AB running the wrong route.or whatever excuses you have. 28 ******* nothing. The ball was tipped. Go back look at it again how wide open he was. Any throw at all to his open side it was a long gain. When the lineman tipped it. Go look. Nice throw.
There were wide open players on his incompletions. Wide open. And yes. Some D would have helped on such a short field the O was so gracious to have left them with. And please don’t give me that 500 meaningless yards stat.
You’ve got to be kidding if you take that seriously.....
We will have one more year because of $$$$$$$$$$.
But seriously. It’s time to move on from Big Ben. And from Coach MT. Thanks for the memories,unfortunately it’s been a long time for the good ones. Way too many disappointments.
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Ben is one of my favorite players of all time, but let's not pretend the Steelers didn't just go 1-5 down the stretch and struggled to beat an undermanned Baltimore team with RGIII at QB the week before that streak started. Ben was the QB for all but one of those games and he didn't look good in any of them. I'm not interested in what he did in the second half against a soft defense. I don't want to see the guy go out physically struggling to make basic plays, which we saw at the end of this season. He'll be another year older and he physically wasn't able to hold up this season.
The Steelers are going to lose a number of veterans this offseason. On paper, they should be better on the OL assuming they upgrade the unit during the offseason and ILB with the return of Bush. They'll be a bit weaker on the pass rush losing Dupree and at defensive back with Haden possibly being released and the potential loss of Hilton. On top of that, their road schedule is absolutely brutal. If Tomlin does think unthinkable and helps transforms the Steelers into a power run offense where Roethlisberger can manage the games maybe the Steelers can make the playoffs as a wild card team, they still have a lot of talent on defense and at WR. However, if they play anything close to what they did down the stretch this season, no defense will be able to overcome an offense that struggles to get first downs.
With the cap where it is, it's a transition year. Realistically this was the best chance the Steelers had to make a run. It may take a couple of years to retool the team into a division contender. It's simply if you want to take the cap hit this year and have a fresh start for 2022 or push the cap hit down the road so they have limited resources when the post-Ben era truly begins.
Yeah, and this team was 1-5 in its last 6 games.
Quite frankly, you must not have seen how inept the Steelers were for ridiculously long stretches on both sides of the ball. Did you happen to watch the Monday night game where they were embarrassed by a 2-10-1 Bengals team starting their THIRD STRING QUARTERBACK? They couldn't beat a clown who is winless in his other 3 NFL starts, and has a career passer rating of 59.4.
Was that "championship" level football, for ****'s sake?
They're not breaking the bank if they extend him, it'll be more of an extension with the understanding that this is his final year, and we'll get some cap space back after he retires, like this year his cap hit is 41, if he retires its 20. With the cap projected to really go up after the 2021 season his dead money for the next year or two won't be that bad, and won't stop us from doing anything, because we don't sign big name free agents. Watt won't have a real big cap hit until 2024, any of Bens money will be off the books. Its the clean break the organization wants.
Now if keeping Ben meant losing Watt or Minkah, then he'd be politely asked to retire.
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there's no reason the steelers can't contend next year with a good offseason. The defense will get Bush back and Highsmith will be better in year 2. The defense should be good again.
Offensively, i really do think coaching was the major drawback. It led to poor OL play, bad gameplans, and not using players to their best abilities. If they get a 1st round pick at OL or a TE that can block it will help the blocking a ton. They may lose JuJu but DJ, Claypool and Washington are enough. The draft is once again filled with WR.
If nothing else, Canada is great at disguising his plays. There are staple plays that the offense can master. That was a big drawback with Fichtner. What the hell were they good at? What were the go to plays they could execute with their eyes closed? With Canada, they will have staple plays but they will always look different with formations and motions. No more defense calling out their plays.
I think Dotson will be a good starter. They need a C or G. I think they can have Decastro move to C if need be. I really think that OL or TE is the only pick in Rd 1.
Offensively, i really do think coaching was the major drawback. It led to poor OL play, bad gameplans, and not using players to their best abilities. If they get a 1st round pick at OL or a TE that can block it will help the blocking a ton. They may lose JuJu but DJ, Claypool and Washington are enough. The draft is once again filled with WR.
If nothing else, Canada is great at disguising his plays. There are staple plays that the offense can master. That was a big drawback with Fichtner. What the hell were they good at? What were the go to plays they could execute with their eyes closed? With Canada, they will have staple plays but they will always look different with formations and motions. No more defense calling out their plays.
I think Dotson will be a good starter. They need a C or G. I think they can have Decastro move to C if need be. I really think that OL or TE is the only pick in Rd 1.
I've got one real good reason they will not and he wears awesome aviator glasses every Sunday. He has had several teams much better than they will have next year and has ****** it up about three or four times including last season with what looked like legit contending talent. If they fired him I'd be far more interested in one more Ben run. As is I want a clean slate ASAP. New coach, new QB. If that can possibly be Rudolph cool. If not draft one in 2022.
Does anyone know the total cap number we have invested in all of Ben’s receiver toys. Ebron, clay pool, McDonald, juju, Washington, Johnson, mccloud, samuels? Did I miss anyone. I suspect the young guys are relatively cheap but just seems like there are a lot of receivers . Just curious if this list could be pruned down and reinvested in ol and Rb?
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The other side of this is that nucleus - with a shaky quarterback play last year (& this year for that matter) - went 7-9. Why do you believe these guys cant drag a Fitz along to a SuperBowl next year?
- Alualu, Tuitt, Minka, Haden, Bush, Sutton, Watt & Heyward give you a top 5 Defense
- The O got stud WR Claypool for a deep threat, very good TE Ebron safety valve in the middle.
The only thing the O really needs is a RB and Fitz-magic. Okay, maybe just a competent QB like a Trubisky or maybe you coax Phillippe Rivers out of retirement to get a ring. Perhaps you pick up a viable X-wideout, that would be nice and round out the O but not essential by any means.
1. Trim some fat - i.e. get rid of Big Ben.
2. Re-sign the musts: Alualu, Hilton, Sutton & free agent QB.
3. Go into the draft looking to trade for or draft a stud running back
4. Really work on run-blocking this year
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Don’t know what you’re talking about, cuz don’t give a damn about a QB that is mobile.
I want a QB that is accurate & can make plays.
Kordell”s mobility didn’t help in 1997 AFCCG throwing 2 INTs into end zone when he potentially could have ran it in both times. He could tuck it in and run great in 2001 too... and the 3 INTs hurt more than his running helped.
O’Donnell wasn’t accurate or mobile, was just a guy who made by not making mistakes & that gets you only so far too, look what happened when they relied on him to raise his game.
Bubby and Malone were mobile. For almost 2 decades Malone had the Steelers record longest TD reception (90 yards)...the fact he could beat someone in a foot race didn’t mean **** when those stacked 1990s teams were a Dan Marino missed draft gaffe away from multiple Super Bowls.
Screw mobile—that’s a bonus. Give me an accurate play maker who can complete the tough throws when pressure is on.
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Where the hell do you think Ben is going? They simply ain't gonna cut him...He is gonna collect that 41 mil
Let’s not forget about the year before last as well.
yep and the year before that was the Jax playoff embarrassment, and when our head coach is on national tv talking about a Steelers/Patriots rematch in AFCCG.
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I'm trying to grasp the concept of reload instead of rebuild
To the OP
Reload is when you say to your girlfriend right after "can we just cuddle for a little bit"
Rebuild is when you "just roll over and go to sleep"
Salute the nation
To the OP
Reload is when you say to your girlfriend right after "can we just cuddle for a little bit"
Rebuild is when you "just roll over and go to sleep"
Salute the nation