who would have expected that from Ike?? I mean he only scored a 2 on the wonderlick
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who would have expected that from Ike?? I mean he only scored a 2 on the wonderlick
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Boy, there is so much going on in this thread it's all getting mixed up.
First, "intelligence" has various, subjective definitions. Using the most common definition intelligence means "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills". Using that definition, it takes "intelligence" to acquire the skill of swinging a golf club and applying that skill effectively over and over again. Obviously, we don't kind of apply "intelligence" to that but there is something being used in your brain to do it. The brain's ability to process information and act during athletic competitions also could be considered "intelligence".
Now, many of us have separated "athletic, manual, repetitive and rote body actions" away from intelligence. And we concentrate mostly on intelligence being strictly those skills that primarily use our brain. The three "R's"... Reading, Writing, Arithmetic. The ability to study, remember and recall (often) written information. To do these things individually and without outside assistance (i.e. the most important thing you learn is HOW TO LEARN). Another important factor of intelligence is "logic and pattern" recognition. The traditional I.Q. test is primarily a logic and pattern recognition test, given to younger children to identify both learning disabilities and exceptionalism.
The Wonderlic test is a very special test and it is not designed to just be a pure "study, retention and recall" test, nor a pure "I.Q. test based on pattern and logic recognition".
One of the MAIN points of the Wonderlic test to athletes is to see which prospects take it seriously and which do not. It only takes minimal effort and understanding to get a decent score on a Wonderlic test. And by minimal, I mean like a 15-20.
So the FIRST red flag the Wonderlic is designed to find out is "did this prospect even bother to CARE about this test?". That character trait might be very important but is MOST important to QB's. Who wants a QB that doesn't bother with learning something because they don't think it's important? That attitude might be a HUGE red flag for some offensive "system" coaches. There is certain about of ego and audacity to say "I don't need to learn this, so I'm not going to".
The 2nd important factor of the Wonderlic is, by design, it is a "trick question" test. The test is purposely timed at only 12 minutes. And early in the test there are questions, easy enough to do but designed to take TIME, to tempt you into wasting time solving them. It could be one of those "two trains headed towards each other" questions. Or a very long reading comprehension question (read a paragraph and ask simple questions about that story". The trick to a good wonderlic score is SKIP THOSE QUESTIONS. You have to decide, for yourself, whether that 1 point answer is worth the TIME INVESTED.
So the test is designed to test how you deal with PRIORITIZING TIME under pressure. It is a very specific part of the test and certainly one that can be looked out for in advance if you know how the test works (again, easy preparation).
Most people that are used to studying and taking any type of standardized test questions and understand how the Wonderlic works, do well (20+).
What bad scores reveal however is not always lack of intelligence. It could be a sign of "I don't care". It could be a sign of "no preparation" and getting stuck on that first long question.
But again, those are sometimes just as vital to know by a GM as lack of intelligence in the first place.
First, "intelligence" has various, subjective definitions. Using the most common definition intelligence means "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills". Using that definition, it takes "intelligence" to acquire the skill of swinging a golf club and applying that skill effectively over and over again. Obviously, we don't kind of apply "intelligence" to that but there is something being used in your brain to do it. The brain's ability to process information and act during athletic competitions also could be considered "intelligence".
Now, many of us have separated "athletic, manual, repetitive and rote body actions" away from intelligence. And we concentrate mostly on intelligence being strictly those skills that primarily use our brain. The three "R's"... Reading, Writing, Arithmetic. The ability to study, remember and recall (often) written information. To do these things individually and without outside assistance (i.e. the most important thing you learn is HOW TO LEARN). Another important factor of intelligence is "logic and pattern" recognition. The traditional I.Q. test is primarily a logic and pattern recognition test, given to younger children to identify both learning disabilities and exceptionalism.
The Wonderlic test is a very special test and it is not designed to just be a pure "study, retention and recall" test, nor a pure "I.Q. test based on pattern and logic recognition".
One of the MAIN points of the Wonderlic test to athletes is to see which prospects take it seriously and which do not. It only takes minimal effort and understanding to get a decent score on a Wonderlic test. And by minimal, I mean like a 15-20.
So the FIRST red flag the Wonderlic is designed to find out is "did this prospect even bother to CARE about this test?". That character trait might be very important but is MOST important to QB's. Who wants a QB that doesn't bother with learning something because they don't think it's important? That attitude might be a HUGE red flag for some offensive "system" coaches. There is certain about of ego and audacity to say "I don't need to learn this, so I'm not going to".
The 2nd important factor of the Wonderlic is, by design, it is a "trick question" test. The test is purposely timed at only 12 minutes. And early in the test there are questions, easy enough to do but designed to take TIME, to tempt you into wasting time solving them. It could be one of those "two trains headed towards each other" questions. Or a very long reading comprehension question (read a paragraph and ask simple questions about that story". The trick to a good wonderlic score is SKIP THOSE QUESTIONS. You have to decide, for yourself, whether that 1 point answer is worth the TIME INVESTED.
So the test is designed to test how you deal with PRIORITIZING TIME under pressure. It is a very specific part of the test and certainly one that can be looked out for in advance if you know how the test works (again, easy preparation).
Most people that are used to studying and taking any type of standardized test questions and understand how the Wonderlic works, do well (20+).
What bad scores reveal however is not always lack of intelligence. It could be a sign of "I don't care". It could be a sign of "no preparation" and getting stuck on that first long question.
But again, those are sometimes just as vital to know by a GM as lack of intelligence in the first place.
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Has anyone else noticed LJ with a grin or chuckle on sidelines after a turnover he made? I know it does not mean anything, but I’ve noticed this on numerous instances with him. It just seemed oddly lackadaisical as if it was no big deal. Many ways to interpret it, but why not angry or studying the play on the tablet or talking with a coach? Instead, he’s sitting there grinning or laughing with players around him. It struck me as unusual for a QB.
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I'm highly impressed FWIW that you spelled "lackadaisical" correctly. I've seen really, really smart people spell it "lacksadaisical" and insist that's correct.
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I put LJ in the same category as Derrick Henry who scored 15 on the Wonderlic and had what I thought was a torturous Heisman speech. There's no getting around the fact that LJ doesn't sound particularly articulate and like it or not people generally associate verbal ability with intelligence -- look no further than the fawning over Tomlin's intelligence based upon his word salad offerings.
It cuts both ways. We've seen countless media-privilege figures commit the microaggression in saying a black player is "well spoken."
Hell, Joe Biden did it in '07-'08 when he said Obama was "for the first time...clean and articulate...that's a storybook, man."
We only have the fawning over the Tomlins at one end of the spectrum because so many prominent athletes at the other end have been functionally illiterate like much to all of the Baltimore school system.
Any educated white person does the same thing when they hear a hillbilly or redneck speak -- they associate it with lesser intelligence even though the redneck can functionally in most cases get much more done in an 8 hour day.
It cuts both ways. We've seen countless media-privilege figures commit the microaggression in saying a black player is "well spoken."
Hell, Joe Biden did it in '07-'08 when he said Obama was "for the first time...clean and articulate...that's a storybook, man."
We only have the fawning over the Tomlins at one end of the spectrum because so many prominent athletes at the other end have been functionally illiterate like much to all of the Baltimore school system.
Any educated white person does the same thing when they hear a hillbilly or redneck speak -- they associate it with lesser intelligence even though the redneck can functionally in most cases get much more done in an 8 hour day.
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If Cooch had a wikipedia entry, it would show he is owned by Ike.
Can I submit my reading this thread as proof of my "diversity and inclusion training" requirement for work?
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I scored a zero Coolie. I followed Deion Sanders way of thinking. When he was asked to take the Wonderlic by the Giants (Parcells?), “what pick are they?” They are pick 18. Sanders said, “Man, forget that! I’m getting picked well before then!!!”
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Del explained the whole reasoning expertly. Awesome. I doubt OutCoach could follow the scope of detail gleaned from Del’s comments though. He will just pander through.
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Kinda like Henry Ford reputed to have said "history is bunk" because he could hire 15 men to look up anything he wanted to know.
Deion was likewise a titan of the primma donna/getst mines industry.
This thread is educational...
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Mark Malone use to laugh off interceptions as well, to me it was frustrating as hell. In Lamar's case I'm not sure what the **** he is doing and I'd think some of his team mates think the same.
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Coach says he got a 38 on the Wonderlic. If that’s true, intelligence isn’t his problem. To me, his problem, at least here, is his ego and narcissism. I think he would be a decent read without that. It’s all the chest thumping and braggadocio that makes him hard to take.
coach is a ********......
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YO IKE,
You have been here for a while, You must seen me call Todd Haley stupid several times. OR mock Maddox's arm, or Berry' punting, you know where I'm going.... So how come you never said a word there but I call Jackson what he is, STUPID, or say Tomlin made a mistake you get angry and post drivel? Hmmmm . Take off your sunglasses, it's rather revealing how you see the world and it has a racial tone to it. Once again I never said anything derogatory about anyone's race here, NEVER. Go **** yourself. I'm noticing a pattern with you.
You have been here for a while, You must seen me call Todd Haley stupid several times. OR mock Maddox's arm, or Berry' punting, you know where I'm going.... So how come you never said a word there but I call Jackson what he is, STUPID, or say Tomlin made a mistake you get angry and post drivel? Hmmmm . Take off your sunglasses, it's rather revealing how you see the world and it has a racial tone to it. Once again I never said anything derogatory about anyone's race here, NEVER. Go **** yourself. I'm noticing a pattern with you.
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Make up your mind. You said elitist before.
I'll settle for an elitist ********, as a person like yourself would probably view me with envy and jealously. by the way, how Ayers doing? I'm guessing too small and slow to make it which was my opinion when the Steelers drafted him, but you know I'm wrong all of the time.
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Still waiting on my answer...
Make up your mind. You said elitist before.
I'll settle for an elitist ********, as a person like yourself would probably view me with envy and jealously. by the way, how Ayers doing? I'm guessing too small and slow to make it which was my opinion when the Steelers drafted him, but you know I'm wrong all of the time.
Ed Oliver says, "hi"...
So does Anthony Chickillo. Who has apparently taken his HOF talents to South ... err Denver, as he wasn't used right in New Orleans. I have heard that he will be allowed to skip the 5 year waiting period and will immediately receive his gold jacket at the end of the season. Bud Durpee will present him.
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It boils down to this, Steve Young suffered from the same problem. If you can run like a ******* video game, and have the talent to actually make guys miss on a consistent basis in the NFL, it's awfully tempting as a pro to use that. And hell, it's tempting for teams to want you to use it. It comes down to the same issue with dual threat passers, when do you decide to run, and how hard do you work on your passing so that when you can't run, you can make your reads. Many times the core issue is that excellent runners are average passers because they've had the running to fall back on, and after a few gimpy games in the nfl, they try to adjust, some are able, some are not.
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Make up your mind. You said elitist before.
I'll settle for an elitist ********, as a person like yourself would probably view me with envy and jealously. by the way, how Ayers doing? I'm guessing too small and slow to make it which was my opinion when the Steelers drafted him, but you know I'm wrong all of the time.
oh dear god shout the **** up no one here would ever look at you with envy or jealousy unless their goal in life is to be a complete ********...
If you weren't such a clueless asshat you would remember from the day he was drafted I posted he would have to stay healthy to have a shot on this team. He didn't do that.
you are still wrong about him being slow....he looked plenty fast against the ratbirds when he was open for a deep pass but then got the PI call.
for the record, I am neither an elitist or a ********, I am an *******...one of the bigger ones on this site.
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