Turns out Jackson sucks ***

[TDX27]

Until others and especially the Steelers can stop him and the Rats, they are still kings of the north. This season is way too early to even consider the Steelers the top. When they win the division and have beaten the Rats, then we have something to talk about. One game means nothing, especially since KC has been able to beat the Rats the past 2 years. I seem to recall us getting our ***** kicked by the Jags when we were heavy favorites every year.

 

[SojournerSteel]

"The Chiefs are who we thought they were...that's why we took the damn field!"

 

[SojournerSteel]

Until others and especially the Steelers can stop him and the Rats, they are still kings of the north. This season is way too early to even consider the Steelers the top. When they win the division and have beaten the Rats, then we have something to talk about. One game means nothing, especially since KC has been able to beat the Rats the past 2 years. I seem to recall us getting our ***** kicked by the Jags when we were heavy favorites every year.

Still gonna say that Tomlin and our mom and pop coaching staff ultimately is the weak link just as it was vs the Jags.

 

[Coach]

EXACTLY...

WHAT HAS THE LEAGUE FIGURED OUT ???

Thanks Coach...Nice finish, you get a half a sack on this one.....You made my point....

Thanks. Let me try for full sack, without any helmet to hemet contact or girding someone into the dirt.


Here's the reason why the league has not figured Jackson out yet, or maybe they know but have not had the right situations.


The Ravens are very good. The play excellent defense and special teams; therefore Lamar Jackson has not had to play from behind and pass it often to win. As much as I dislike him, Harbaugh is a very good NFL coach and has surrounded Jackson with lots of deep speed, which opens up his ability to run the ball vs. man to man type of coverage.


If I'm the DC I take TE Mark Andrews out to the game. I play nickel ( We have a good 4 man pass rush ) with one LB covering Edwards or impeding his first five yards, and the other spying Jackson. If Jakcosn runs, hit him as hard as the rules allow. For us this might mean putting one of our safeties on Andrews if Bush can't do the job, or as a QB Spy ( Edmunds ). Hold Jackson up and make the officials whistle it dead or let the second player clean up on him. Make him Jackson throw it outside the numbers or deeper over the middle.

** I am interested to know what Andrew's production on games the Ravens lost throwing out any late 4th quarter yardage when the other team is playing prevent defense with a 2 score lead. **

So I checked and in the losses the Ravens had, Andrew was not productive all all. This is a good theory see the below link, including their playoff loss.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3116365/type/nfl/year/2019

We have half 2/3 of the equation with a good 4 man rush; and a man who could spy Jackson ( Bush ) the coverage part is tricky for us.

Either way, Jackson is going to have to bounce back as lots of NFL teams will be studying this game. The smoke could have been blown away from his mirrors.

 

[43Hitman]

The scoreboard stopped the raven offense. It's like the Kordell steelers. Tough to stop with a lead or a close game, but get behind by 10 and have to do more passing and it falls apart.

Jackson is not a good passing QB. He just isn't. he has a great arm and does make some great throws but he has no feel for passing. He misses a throws when it's not wide open. The run fakes get him lots of easy throws against zone defenses.

When you play a running QB, it's tough to play man. Why? because in man coverage, your DBs have their backs turned to the QB so he can just take off running. The Chiefs DEs did a great job of containing Jackson in the pocket.

When a team does play man and there are tougher throws, Jackson struggles. First, he's slow to read and then he's bad with ball placement. He doesn't help his receivers. Andrews bails him out all the time with great catches in his huge catch radius.

Thanks. Let me try for full sack, without any helmet to hemet contact or girding someone into the dirt.


Here's the reason why the league has not figured Jackson out yet, or maybe they know but have not had the right situations.


The Ravens are very good. The play excellent defense and special teams; therefore Lamar Jackson has not had to play from behind and pass it often to win. As much as I dislike him, Harbaugh is a very good NFL coach and has surrounded Jackson with lots of deep speed, which opens up his ability to run the ball vs. man to man type of coverage.


If I'm the DC I take TE Mark Andrews out to the game. I play nickel ( We have a good 4 man pass rush ) with one LB covering Edwards or impeding his first five yards, and the other spying Jackson. If Jakcosn runs, hit him as hard as the rules allow. For us this might mean putting one of our safeties on Andrews if Bush can't do the job, or as a QB Spy ( Edmunds ). Hold Jackson up and make the officials whistle it dead or let the second player clean up on him. Make him Jackson throw it outside the numbers or deeper over the middle.

** I am interested to know what Andrew's production on games the Ravens lost throwing out any late 4th quarter yardage when the other team is playing prevent defense with a 2 score lead. **

So I checked and in the losses the Ravens had, Andrew was not productive all all. This is a good theory see the below link, including their playoff loss.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3116365/type/nfl/year/2019

We have half 2/3 of the equation with a good 4 man rush; and a man who could spy Jackson ( Bush ) the coverage part is tricky for us.

Either way, Jackson is going to have to bounce back as lots of NFL teams will be studying this game. The smoke could have been blown away from his mirrors.

To expand on both of your points, this is Jackson with no pressure.



He isn't precise at all, probably due to the fact that his mechanics are just terrible. He is good at improvising and making a defense get out of position so he can throw the ball to an area, but as soon he has to make tight throws on a consistent basis, like in a come-back situation, he struggles mightily.

 

[Drink IRON City]

EXCELLENT post 43Hitman



A 1000 yards rushing in the season mostly suggests he's NOT a precision passer. With today's rules a favoring the "passer", 25oo - 3000 yards passing is below averaGE or close to averaGE. Face it, once the O'l legs go, he will be discarded.




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[RollRed]

I don’t think Tennessee or KC “figured him out” so much as they were just able to get a double digit lead on him early. This takes Baltimore out of there comfort zone, which is basically running a high school offense. Effective as it is, it doesn’t work when you’re trying to comeback from a sizable defecit. The formula for beating Baltimore is jumping out to an early 10+ point lead. I know easier said than done, but that’s what you gotta do.

 

[Shane Falco]

Last year when Jackson played the Steelers- his passing wasn't very great. 19/28 for 161 1Td 3INTs with 1 sack. He did account for 70 yards of rushing though. I can't remember if it was late game rushing. I think the Steelers can hold Jackson to a similar performance and maybe hold Jackson to 40 yards of rushing. Still a lot for a QB but enough to where he isn't going to kill you. I think this offense (with Ben) is suited to put up points against the Rats D and make Jackson play from behind.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Last year when Jackson played the Steelers- his passing wasn't very great. 19/28 for 161 1Td 3INTs with 1 sack. He did account for 70 yards of rushing though. I can't remember if it was late game rushing. I think the Steelers can hold Jackson to a similar performance and maybe hold Jackson to 40 yards of rushing. Still a lot for a QB but enough to where he isn't going to kill you. I think this offense (with Ben) is suited to put up points against the Rats D and make Jackson play from behind.

Great post, I think you used the process of posting properly.............




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[bermudasteel]

No other team in the NFL relies on the run more than B'more. They are 1-dimensional.
Passes work b/c the defense is geared to stop the run. And they are always in good down and distance situations from executing well on run/RPO's (which are usually a run).

We can agree to disagree. No worries...

 

[madinsomniac]

No different than what many of us said last year.. Jackson is a better version of Kordell... a one read wonder who is looking to run first ... nfl history is littered with those guys... they have a couple great seasons then fade into the woodwork once their legs go.. they have relatively short careers cause they are effectively running backs and take too many hits...

 

[Shane Falco]

If they can cover Andrews, his passing game really goes to crap. He accounts for the bulk of his first reads. Hollywood Brown is close to second as far as attempted passes to.

 

[Coach]

If they can cover Andrews, his passing game really goes to crap. He accounts for the bulk of his first reads. Hollywood Brown is close to second as far as attempted passes to.

This is what I think. Jackson does have a good arm and can go deep. When teams focus to stop the run, Harbaugh and the OC know they can hit one deep. But without the lead and Jackson's safety blanket taken out of the equation, he's a quarterback who will struggle to move the chains on long drives.

I would not compare Jackson to Stewart. He's way better than Stewart. I also think it only a matter of time until Jackson gets hurt, and like many QB's who rely on their legs, won't be as good once he get hurt.

 

[Steeltime]

Jackson benefits from wide open receivers via the RPO. If you are a LB'er, and you see Jackson put the ball in the RB's stomach, you play run. You have to. That leaves the middle of the field wide open, and that is where Andrews catches the vast majority of his passes.

The key, as several have pointed out, is to get up by two scores on the Rats. Play the pass as equally as the run. Shut down the easy, wide-open throws to Andrews, make Jackson thread the needle. That is not in his skill set.

Jackson will look at his first read, and if not open, the chances he takes off are more than 50%. Not a lot a team can do to prevent that. The problem with dedicating a player to track Jackson - "spy" - is that the same guy should be defending the middle of the field to protect against TE seam patterns. Let the defense do it's job, without "spying" the guy. The pass rush can force him to run sideways long enough for the defense to get there.

Also, it is a fact that a team hoping to run 12-play drives without a glitch is pretending that Santa Claus exists. Bad pass, penalties, dropped ball, fumble, bad snap, etc. make the very long drives incredibly difficult. Get Jackson to 3rd and long, rush the hell out of the passer and he will take off.

That is one reason why zone is effective against Jackson. Defenders can keep an eye on him, attack when Jackson looks to run. QB's who tear apart zone defenses are the guys who stand in the pocket, read the spots where the zone has a hole, and hit a small window to get to a receiver who is in between 2 or 3 defenders. Once again, not a strong suit for Jackson.

 

[CoolieMan]

Reid and Mahomes don't play defense. The Kanas City Defense, which is mediocre shut Jackson down.

Lamar Jackson 15-28, 97 total yards, 1 TD. 1 Fumble lost.

so Reid has nothing to do with KC's defense?

the rats fell behind and could not do what they like to do, they were forced to throw more and Jackson is not a great passer...so yeah, Mahomes and Reid had something to do with it....

for those saying he is a stud after this weekends game...just remember it was a ****** Washington Football Team out there.

If the Steeler D can do like they did the first game last season, the Steelers will take both games providing Ben is healthy

 

[Ron Burgundy]

If SUPER STAR Lamar has his feet taken away, he is well below average. We also need man to man more often than not and little Lamary will be confused.

It worked against Kordell Stewart.

 

[Drink IRON City]

It worked against Kordell Stewart.

Personally, many here sell Kordell short. I think he was better than most think and here is a shocker, I'd take him over Lamar. Stewart is twice as strong and as fast or close enough. Today's game definately favors the QB vs Kordell's era. Lamar wouldn't last in Kordell's era but Kordell would have fared much better in today's game.


I hear yaz Ron........



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[Confluence]

Personally, many here sell Kordell short. I think he was better than most think and here is a shocker, I'd take him over Lamar. Stewart is twice as strong and as fast or close enough. Today's game definately favors the QB vs Kordell's era. Lamar wouldn't last in Kordell's era but Kordell would have fared much better in today's game.


I hear yaz Ron........



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Well said DIC.

I'd also love to see Randall Cunningham play in today's game.

Both those guys were ahead of their time.

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[Coach]

Lamar Jackson vs. a bad Cincinnti team.

19-37 ( 51.3% completions ) 180 yards. 2 TD's 1 INT. 3 yards rushing.

Given that the Ravens won the game, 27-3, this is a bad game for a quarterback.

Teams are figuring him out. By the looks of it, his completions were for short yardage.