The Coronavirus thread

[Tibs]

so what was your intention of linking all four?

No, that was all there in my original post. The last three case studies were mentioned in the article titled: Three big studies dim hopes that hydroxychloroquine can treat or prevent COVID-19 > https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...roxychloroquine-can-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

I decided to post those three studies seperately for you, as it didn't seem you read into it, seeing how you claimed all this was coming from the WHO.

Anyway, I'm all for continued studies and clinical tests of any and all possible medicines that could help with this. Just seems Trump and his followers are incredibly trigger-happy when making claims about these various miracle cures, particularly hydroxychloroquine. Whereas the science, at this point, does not back that up.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Yeah, this is 'no more dangerous' than a regular flu.

Three-Quarters of Recovered Coronavirus Patients Have Heart Damage Months Later, Study Finds
https://people.com/health/three-qua...irus-patients-have-heart-damage-months-later/

Of the 100 patients studied, 78 had lingering heart damage despite being “mostly healthy … prior to their illness”

People Magazine? I realize the information came from JAMA, but the study was conducted on a very small number of patients. We should probably wait for a larger, controlled study before jumping out of windows.
If this affects 78% of people exposed to this virus, then we're all screwed, so let's just say I'm skeptical with this report.

 

[Steeltime]

HCQ was being presented as a cure, it is not. That is MISinformation. Social media outlets pulled it so naive members of society don’t take it seriously and disregard preventative measures.

Thank heavens the information monitors are never wrong, never biased, never openly hostile to certain views, always spot on with every decision about information, 100% accurate, and imbued with omniscience and benevolence we can only admire.

Even better, thankfully the information restrictions date back to 1200, and we still celebrate the earth being the center of the universe, "bad mojo" the cause of disease, lack of religious fealty punishable by death, etc.

For liberals, let me explain the second paragraph. See, those who want to control information don't do so because of their allegiance to truth and science; they control information that hurts their pocket book. Always that way, still true today, still true tomorrow.

So the idea that some group of anonymous gerbils at Google and Fakebook should control information, i.e., suppress what they don't like or don't agree with, is so antithetical to the very ideas that helped found our great nation that I seriously wonder what kind of person could possibly support the restrictions.

 

[Steeltime]

People Magazine? I realize the information came from JAMA, but the study was conducted on a very small number of patients. We should probably wait for a larger, controlled study before jumping out of windows.

I give the report 100% confidence. It came right after a detailed article discussing Jennifer Aniston's poon-cleaning ritual and a moving interview with Beyonce's dance choreographer.

 

[Superman]

No, that was all there in my original post. The last three case studies were mentioned in the article titled: Three big studies dim hopes that hydroxychloroquine can treat or prevent COVID-19 > https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...roxychloroquine-can-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

I decided to post those three studies seperately for you, as it didn't seem you read into it, seeing how you claimed all this was coming from the WHO.

Anyway, I'm all for continued studies and clinical tests of any and all possible medicines that could help with this. Just seems Trump and his followers are incredibly trigger-happy when making claims about these various miracle cures, particularly hydroxychloroquine. Whereas the science, at this point, does not back that up.

another swing, another miss.

no one is saying that hydroxy is a 100% cure alone. When prescribed with other medication, it CAN be effective. That's not saying, in any way, shape or form, that it is a cure-all by itself. That some patients do show improvement when on the hydroxy cocktail doesnt mean that it should be shitcanned when others are not showing improvement.

you may want to shy away from sharing articles from the WHO, since they 100% DO get their marching orders from China. That science is proven.

 

[Tibs]

Let me just state for the record. Anyone who thinks doctors, researchers, government health officials and agencies around the world are not working day and night trying to find a remedy for covid is off the charts crazy. Especially the sentiment stateside, that this is a 'political' issue, that covid is being used against Trump, that masks and other mitigation measures are being used to keep the economy down to hurt Trump's re-election, etc. Or worse yet, that a drug like hydroxy actually works against covid, but it's being 'held back' and muzzled because it would make Trump 'look good.' That type of thinking is stupid and dangerous and should be rejected out of hand, by any sane and reasonable person.

 

[Steelworth]

It is proven that HCQ in conjunction with antibiotics and zinc does help many people. It may not help others. What is the harm in prescribing it? Why the irrational blacklisting of a drug that’s been around 50+ years? If it doesn’t work for somebody then it doesn’t work. It’s not like the drug itself kills people. To follow their logic, we should ban chemotherapy for cancer patients. I mean it makes people very sick and doesn’t always work. Better ban it for everybody then right?

Here’s another question. Why must a pro HCQ video be pulled down? They are claiming it’s to protect the public so they don’t take this dangerous drug. But it’s a prescription drug. The general public can’t just go to Walmart and buy a family size jar of HCQ and start dosing the neighborhood. They must have it prescribed by their doctor who knows their health risks. So again, what public health concern is served by censoring this information? None. The only purpose is to intimidate doctors from prescribing it.

Makes sense. Zona also, who actually prescribed it as a medical professional for 30-40 years, said the same thing. Also, I finally found out what my mom's 77-year-old nursing home friend who contracted Covid-19 & recovered was given; HCQ/Zpac/Zinc.

Or perhaps I should listen to a Hungarian with TDS or a freeloader here who can't/won't even pay to help keep the community afloat?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Let me just state for the record, anyone who thinks doctors, researchers, government health officials and agencies around the world are not working day and night trying to find a remedy for covid is off the charts crazy. Especially the sentiment stateside, that this is a 'political' issue, that covid is being used against Trump, that masks and other mitigation measures are being used to keep the economy down to hurt Trump's re-election, etc. Or worse yet, that a drug like hydroxy actually works against covid, but it's being 'held back' and muzzled because it would make Trump 'look good.' That type of thinking is stupid and dangerous and should be rejected out of hand, by any sane and reasonable person.

Of course researchers around the world are trying to find answers to this, and perhaps it's a bit conspiratorial of me, but the party not currently controlling the WH and their supporters go out of their way every day to remind us that the sky is falling. So ya, in my opinion, there is a political element to this.

 

[Tibs]

People Magazine?

You're right. I should have posted the actual research doc from the New England Journal of Medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2011400?query=featured_home

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) preferentially infects cells in the respiratory tract,[SUP]1,2[/SUP] but its direct affinity for organs other than the lungs remains poorly defined. Here, we present data from an autopsy series of 27 patients (see the clinical data in Table S1 in the Supplementary Appendix, available with the full text of this letter at NEJM.org) that show that SARS-CoV-2 can be detected in multiple organs, including the lungs, pharynx, heart, liver, brain, and kidneys.

You are correct that nobody should be jumping out of windows over this. The study needs to be expanded to a higher number of patients. But it is yet another sign that Covid may not 'only' be a respiratory illness, ie like pneumonia, but may spread and affect other organs as well. This lines up with what researchers were finding early in Italy as well.

The point of me posting all of this is not to alarm anybody, but to push back on a lot of mumbo jumbo on the board, how this disease is not a serious one, ie the 'it's just a flu' camp.

 

[Troglodyte]

Evidence would seem to show that it is effective in some patients, so why the absolute hysteria about it? The answer couldn't be politics, could it?

If it was political, why wouldn’t you see social media taking down the promising news regarding a vaccine?

 

[Tibs]

NEW: GOP Rep. Louis Gohmert has tested positive for the coronavirus.

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[Steelworth]

Of course researchers around the world are trying to find answers to this, and perhaps it's a bit conspiratorial of me, but the party not currently controlling the WH and their supporters go out of their way every day to remind us that the sky is falling. So ya, in my opinion, there is a political element to this.

This was going on in May. This brave nurse who came forward and disclosed her complete name, showed us video evidence of criminal malpractice and who was at the very epicenter of the pandemic (who multiple public officials also agreed on air was the epicenter), should have been lauded as a hero, but barely received any coverage from the MSM (if any, if I remember correctly?) and just sunk into obscurity.



It's a long video, but perhaps pay close attention to 4:00-6:00 especially. Maybe this is the real American Patriot Tibs has been so desperately trying to find?

 

[oneforthebus]

Yeah, this is 'no more dangerous' than a regular flu.

Three-Quarters of Recovered Coronavirus Patients Have Heart Damage Months Later, Study Finds
https://people.com/health/three-qua...irus-patients-have-heart-damage-months-later/

Of the 100 patients studied, 78 had lingering heart damage despite being “mostly healthy … prior to their illness”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Acute myocarditis is a well-known complication of influenza infection. The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies widely, with the clinical severity ranging from asymptomatic to fulminant varieties. The worst cases can result in death due to impaired cardiac function, although such fulminant myocarditis associated with influenza infection is rare, as shown by previous papers. Following the 2009 influenza pandemic, we reported on the clinical features of a cohort of 15 patients in Japan with H1N1pdm2009 myocarditis. In our subsequent survey of the literature for case reports or series of patients with myocarditis associated with H1N1pdm2009, we identified 58 detailed cases. We discuss here the high prevalence of fulminant myocarditis (36/58, 62%) among patients reported to have myocarditis associated with H1N1pdm2009. Mechanical circulatory support was required in 17 of the patients with fulminant myocarditis, 13 of whom recovered. We stress the need for increased awareness of influenza-associated myocarditis; such knowledge will facilitate earlier diagnosis and treatment of this fatal complication during future influenza pandemics.


Another hysterical article pushing some new "mysterious" complication of coronavirus which is actually a well documented complication of other viral illnesses.

You have to ask yourself why things are being presented this way, and why articles such as this wouldn't point out that this symptom isn't exclusive to coronavirus.

 

[Steelworth]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533457/

Acute myocarditis is a well-known complication of influenza infection. The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies widely, with the clinical severity ranging from asymptomatic to fulminant varieties. The worst cases can result in death due to impaired cardiac function, although such fulminant myocarditis associated with influenza infection is rare, as shown by previous papers. Following the 2009 influenza pandemic, we reported on the clinical features of a cohort of 15 patients in Japan with H1N1pdm2009 myocarditis. In our subsequent survey of the literature for case reports or series of patients with myocarditis associated with H1N1pdm2009, we identified 58 detailed cases. We discuss here the high prevalence of fulminant myocarditis (36/58, 62%) among patients reported to have myocarditis associated with H1N1pdm2009. Mechanical circulatory support was required in 17 of the patients with fulminant myocarditis, 13 of whom recovered. We stress the need for increased awareness of influenza-associated myocarditis; such knowledge will facilitate earlier diagnosis and treatment of this fatal complication during future influenza pandemics.


Another hysterical article pushing some new "mysterious" complication of coronavirus which is actually a well documented complication of other viral illnesses.

You have to ask yourself why things are being presented this way, and why articles such as this wouldn't point out that this symptom isn't exclusive to coronavirus.

Tibs may now suddenly have an all-day meeting that needs his attention. *signing off*

 

[ZonaBurgh]

If it was political, why wouldn’t you see social media taking down the promising news regarding a vaccine?

I'm honestly not trying to be dismissive, but you can't be this dense, and are replying only to side for political reasons. Again, my opinion.
You either missed the point I was trying to make, or do so deliberately because you don't agree with it, again because of your political slant, I get that.
I'll put up my lifetime of working in a medical profession, and categorically state the use of HCQ may benefit some Covid patients, and don't understand the hysteria that just discussing it's use brings out in some people.

 

[Tibs]

You have to ask yourself why things are being presented this way, and why articles such as this wouldn't point out that this symptom isn't exclusive to coronavirus.

So you're arguing that covid is no more dangerous than an average flu. Did I get that right?

 

[Superman]

So you're arguing that covid is no more dangerous than an average flu. Did I get that right?

with your .000 batting average, you likely had another swing and miss.

 

[Tibs]

Tibs

You know, your ceaseless infatuation with me is reaching an all-time high. There's hardly a post on this board, on any subject, where you don't casually drop my name. Why is that?

If you want, I can send you a Scott Baio-esque, signed, framed picture you can set out on your desk, since I'm always on your mind.

 

[Tibs]

with your .000 batting average, you likely had another swing and miss.

Yeah, when you're the one calling the balls and strikes, it tends to turn out that way. lol

 

[IndySteel]

Yeah, when you're the one calling the balls and strikes, it tends to turn out that way. lol

He's just going by your countless whiffs. You could probably power your house with all the wind.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

is it more contagious? We have no idea. How many people get the flu and never go to the doctor? I have had flu multiple times and never gone to a doctor. I’d bet it’s the same for the vast majority. What if we started testing everybody for flu? I’m sure the cases would explode. Especially if we count the same people multiple times like they are doing with Covid. You test positive, that’s 1 case. The same person tests positive again 3 days later, that’s case #2.

To your point, last week when we found out my 21 year old had COVID, it set off the following:

- The next day, my younger son and I each took (2) COVID tests at two different facilities - 1 rapid, one the more accurate longer results test. We counted for 4 tests taken. - we were each negative for both, so 2 people produced 4 negatives. The data will show "4 people were tested and tested negative" when 2 people were tested twice each
- Two days later My wife went and took a test. Due to cancer follow up surgeries, she's had two COVID tests already this year prior to this one. She took her 3rd. It was negative. Guaranteed the data shows 3 different people tested negative when she took it 3 times
- My son's friends all went and got tested. People we had over all went and got tested. His infection launched 20-25 tests. ONE of his friends he'd seen out of town was positive.

Point is our once incident led to over 30 tests that led to finding an additional positive result that may never have been discovered because if his symptoms were like my sons' - practically negligent - he may not have gotten tested. In addition, several of us were tested 2-3 times each.

Testing numbers and case numbers are absolutely way wrong in this country.

 

[Steelworth]

You know, your ceaseless infatuation with me is reaching an all-time high. There's hardly a post on this board, on any subject, where you don't casually drop my name. Why is that?

Ah yes, here it is (again, but with a different poster).

Why can't you refute people's arguments with either concessions or legitimate rebuttals, instead of going straight to smart ***, grade school level type of deflection & bullshit? You know damn well OFTB wasn't arguing that Covid-19 is just like the flu (and that's never been her assertion on here), but you seem incapable of any intellectual honesty.

Why is that?

 

[Tibs]

He's just going by your countless whiffs. You could probably power your house with all the wind.

Run along, junior. Unless you have something of merit to add to this thread. Nevermind, what a silly proposition. This is Indy we're talking about. Literally, the lowest common denominator of the SN peanut gallery. Well, in a tight race with Confluence. It's neck and neck.

 

[Steelworth]

I'll put up my lifetime of working in a medical profession, and categorically state the use of HCQ may benefit some Covid patients, and don't understand the hysteria that just discussing it's use brings out in some people.

Quit being reasonable and practical. I don't know if the other side knows how to respond to that in kind.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

HCQ was being presented as a cure, it is not. That is MISinformation. Social media outlets pulled it so naive members of society don’t take it seriously and disregard preventative measures.

Did you just...WTF...ya...you did.

You insinuate HCQ was presented as a CURE and that social media pulled the data because people may "disregard preventative measures" - thus comparing the use of HCQ to preventative measures...when HCQ is not a preventative measure, while a mask is....

Holy wtf batman.

You have to ask yourself why things are being presented this way, and why articles such as this wouldn't point out that this symptom isn't exclusive to coronavirus.

"Ooooh me me me me me!!!!" [frantically waving hands]

Because politics! Because Trump suggested it! If Trump cured cancer, Liberals WOULD 100% guaranteed be screaming about all the doctors he put out of work.

---btw, epic retort and exposure of how **** is presented to convey fear when you're right, this condition is not at all unique to COVID...but People presents it as such because scaring the populace to control the populace is the mission.

So you're arguing that covid is no more dangerous than an average flu. Did I get that right?

Nope. She's pointing out that you're citing articles that are completely misleading. Which is sadly what you persistently do.