The Coronavirus thread

[Tim Steelersfan]

Well before COVID we were taught to cover our mouth and nose when we sneeze or cough, and to wash our hands. Not that much of a leap. Really, it’s not.

And last year 1.5Million people died of tuberculosis. Covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze may help in many cases, but viruses are still spread. Like the cold.

Again I ask, where is the science that says a mask prevents you spreading COVID? It's a theory. Convince me I'm wrong.

 

[Steelworth]

As an Anerican

Always knew you weren't a true American. But seriously, that was a cheap shot that hurt yer feewings because you live in Hungary by your own admission. Who's supposed to know that you're an American citizen?

 

[oneforthebus]

This.

Here is my position on this....

Fauci has lied to us, over and over.
Birx has.
The WHO did.
Our Government has.
The media does every damned day.

We've been told....

• COVID can travel 6 feet in the air
• COVID can travel up to 32 feet in the air
• COVID can live on cardboard for up to 15 days
• COVID can't live on cardboard at all
• Don't wear a mask, it won't help
• WEAR a mask or get fined, it's the only way to stop the spread
• It's airborne
• It's food-borne
• It's NOT food-borne
• It can be passed via farts (I haven't heard this one disproven)
• People dying in motorcycle accidents are COVID-positive deaths
• Wear gloves
• Wait, don't wear gloves

This is a SMALL list. Given the never-ending list of lies, here's what I don't get...for all of you mask zealots...when did science become settled that a mask CAN prevent (possibly) the spread of COVID? Because I'll tell you this...all the science we've been fed like sheep, about 90% of it, has been debunked as bullshit.

Funny, despite all of us knowing they've waffled and lied 100x over, everyone now subscribes to the theory that wearing a mask provides safety when...we really don't even know that.

Like the gloves, like the cardboard, like the distance it can travel and how long it can live on inanimate surfaces...the mask theory is also just a theory.

Unless someone can show me a SCIENTIFIC study that shows a mask preventing the spread of COVID.

All of that said, I wear mine in public. I choose to, even though I have to or end up in the klink.

This is a brand new virus. I know you are intelligent enough to understand that evolving understanding of a completely new, novel disease does not constitute “lies”.

Has the media twisted distorted and exaggerated some things? Yes. Is evolving science evidence of some grand conspiracy of the media and the scientific community to control us by forcing us to wear pieces of cloth over our faces? I can’t really fathom that you actually believe that.

 

[Tibs]

... if you want to make a believer out of me.

If I want to make a believer out of you? That’s the last thing I wanna do.

I don’t have any answers for handling COVID, that’s above my pay grade. I do know that outside of maybe Bolsonaro in Brazil, no other leader on the planet has been as confused & convoluted as Trump has, in handling this. I posted a lengthy article a few pages back that goes into some detail on this. Fighting a worldwide pandemic involves leaders capable of winning hearts & minds, as opposed to creating chaos, confusion and sowing discord among the population.

You act like I’m alone in thinking this, Trump has gotten increasingly low marks on how he’s handled it. Americans don’t seem to trust him, at all. I wonder why.

 

[IndySteel]

Convince me I'm wrong.

But, but, but...DROPLETS!!!

LMAO

 

[oneforthebus]

There's a whole lot of manipulating of things and politicizing of things going on.

That said, people are getting very sick. People are getting hospitalized. People are being admitted to ICUs. Currently those numbers are going in the wrong direction in many places.

If that is not true we have thousands of medical professionals who are not refuting these ideas and are all in on the conspiracy.

I sure do wish you were all correct and this was all a hoax. Unfortunately it's not. Why is there no middle ground between "We're all gonna die" and "This is a nasty virus that is making some people really sick and killing some people and overwhelming some hospitals so if we can take some simple measures to minimize that we should."

It's really embarrassing on both sides.

Again, have never seen logic and reason abandoned like it is being abandoned today.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I don’t have any answers for handling COVID.

On this, we can all agree.

 

[Tibs]

Who's supposed to know that you're an American citizen?

Anyone who’s been on this board for more than, I don’t know, a few months? Born and raised in CA, lived in the San Fernando valley then moved to Long Beach for college before I ventured off to see the world. Now you know.

 

[oneforthebus]

And last year 1.5Million people died of tuberculosis. Covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze may help in many cases, but viruses are still spread. Like the cold.

Again I ask, where is the science that says a mask prevents you spreading COVID? It's a theory. Convince me I'm wrong.

Tuberculosis can be cured with a course of antibiotics.Unfortunately it isn't always diagnosed and treated in time in the developing world. How many people died from TB in the US last year? I suspect if there was not immunity or treatment for tuberculosis we'd be in a very similar situation with it as we are with covid. We may yet get there one day as incidence of antibiotic resistant TB grows.Hopefully not.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

There's a whole lot of manipulating of things and politicizing of things going on.

That said, people are getting very sick. People are getting hospitalized. People are being admitted to ICUs. Currently those numbers are going in the wrong direction in many places.

If that is not true we have thousands of medical professionals who are not refuting these ideas and are all in on the conspiracy.

I sure do wish you were all correct and this was all a hoax. Unfortunately it's not. Why is there no middle ground between "We're all gonna die" and "This is a nasty virus that is making some people really sick and killing some people and overwhelming some hospitals so if we can take some simple measures to minimize that we should."

It's really embarrassing on both sides.

Again, have never seen logic and reason abandoned like it is being abandoned today.

So in this instance we believe the medical professionals. However when others come out about, empty beds, cooked books bc of reimbursement, and other non panic matters...these healthcare professionals don’t count

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

This is a brand new virus. I know you are intelligent enough to understand that evolving understanding of a completely new, novel disease does not constitute “lies”.

Has the media twisted distorted and exaggerated some things? Yes. Is evolving science evidence of some grand conspiracy of the media and the scientific community to control us by forcing us to wear pieces of cloth over our faces? I can’t really fathom that you actually believe that.

When I'm told I owe a $500 fine for the first instance of not wearing a mask, and that for the 2nd instance it is $750 and potentially jail time...when there is no science behind it...I have a problem with it.

Wager on what comes down when there is a vaccine? Think it will or won't be mandated?

I'm not an anti-vaxer. By any stretch.

But yeah...there's a whole lot of over reach going on here.

Do you have scientific evidence that a mask stops the spread of COVID? Or do you agree we're all being threatened with fines/jail to wear them based upon a theory?

 

[Supersteeler]

If I want to make a believer out of you? That’s the last thing I wanna do.

I don’t have any answers for handling COVID, that’s above my pay grade. I do know that outside of maybe Bolsonaro in Brazil, no other leader on the planet has been as confused & convoluted as Trump has, in handling this. I posted a lengthy article a few pages back that goes into some detail on this. Fighting a worldwide pandemic involves leaders capable of winning hearts & minds, as opposed to creating chaos, confusion and sowing discord among the population.

You act like I’m alone in thinking this, Trump has gotten increasingly low marks on how he’s handled it. Americans don’t seem to trust him, at all. I wonder why.

Very typical....especially of people on the left when it comes to Trump. Long on criticism, short on solutions. Oh I bet Trump gets VERY low marks from the leftist shill media. Very low marks indeed. Forgive me if I don't think their opinion is worth a squirt of piss in a monsoon considering they have shown they are perfectly willing to lie to the public on a regular basis as long as it makes Trump look bad. .

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Anyone who’s been on this board for more than, I don’t know, a few months? Born and raised in CA, lived in the San Fernando valley then moved to Long Beach for college before I ventured off to see the world. Now you know.

I'll give you this one as well, assuming your passport would likely verify citizenship.

 

[SojournerSteel]

When I'm told I owe a $500 fine for the first instance of not wearing a mask, and that for the 2nd instance it is $750 and potentially jail time...when there is no science behind it...I have a problem with it.

Wager on what comes down when there is a vaccine? Think it will or won't be mandated?

I'm not an anti-vaxer. By any stretch.

But yeah...there's a whole lot of over reach going on here.

Do you have scientific evidence that a mask stops the spread of COVID? Or do you agree we're all being threatened with fines/jail to wear them based upon a theory?

Some in here have already said they are in favor of suspending your Constitutional Rights and placing you under House Arrest without a trial nor due process unless you take what Bill Gates wants you to when they roll it out as the price of entering the New World or staying in it.

 

[oneforthebus]

When I'm told I owe a $500 fine for the first instance of not wearing a mask, and that for the 2nd instance it is $750 and potentially jail time...when there is no science behind it...I have a problem with it.

Wager on what comes down when there is a vaccine? Think it will or won't be mandated?

I'm not an anti-vaxer. By any stretch.

But yeah...there's a whole lot of over reach going on here.

Do you have scientific evidence that a mask stops the spread of COVID? Or do you agree we're all being threatened with fines/jail to wear them based upon a theory?

I'm not for mask mandates. I think they are counterproductive. I'm for encouraging people to do the right thing. Especially when the right thing is so incredibly ******* easy to do. Damn, some of you act like you're being forced to donate a kidney.

We've had some forms of mandatory vaccines for decades. Not to exist but to send your kids to school, to work in certain places, to travel. I'm not sure why this is suddenly such an issue. No one is making you wear a mask while sitting in your house or walking down the street btw. It's only when you are indoors in public places or in places where you cannot be six feet apart from other people. I know of not one mandate that insists you wear masks in all situations.

 

[oneforthebus]

Some in here have already said they are in favor of suspending your Constitutional Rights and placing you under House Arrest without a trial nor due process unless you take what Bill Gates wants you to when they roll it out as the price of entering the New World or staying in it.

Some? You mean one? (and not me).

 

[SojournerSteel]

Will you take it with a RFID in it and let them tag you like chattel with all of your biometric info at their command for retrieval?

ID2020 is the program here. That's why Billy Goat Gates is so aroused by crusading for vaccines. It's the next frontier of "personal computing."

 

[oneforthebus]

Will you take it with a RFID in it and let them tag you like chattel with all of your biometric info at their command for retrieval?

ID2020 is the program here. That's why Billy Goat Gates is so aroused by crusading for vaccines. It's the next frontier of "personal computing."

I don't think Bill Gates has any interest whatseover in tracking my whereabouts or activities. Maybe that's just my lack of paranoia talking.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I'm not for mask mandates. I think they are counterproductive. I'm for encouraging people to do the right thing. Especially when the right thing is so incredibly ******* easy to do. Damn, some of you act like you're being forced to donate a kidney.

We've had some forms of mandatory vaccines for decades. Not to exist but to send your kids to school, to work in certain places, to travel. I'm not sure why this is suddenly such an issue. No one is making you wear a mask while sitting in your house or walking down the street btw. It's only when you are indoors or in places where you cannot be six feet apart from other people. I know of not one mandate that insists you wear masks in all situations.

No, but I may have to show vaccine papers in order to fly to do my job to support my family. Again, another overreach. And if I don't comply, I could end up under house arrest, wearing an ankle bracelet to make sure I comply...

Sort of like this story. No issue here? (already been posted but should be repeated on every page)

Kentucky couple fit with ankle monitors, placed on house arrest, for refusing to sign quarantine documents: reports

A Kentucky couple was fitted with ankle monitors and placed on house arrest after the wife tested positive for coronavirus but refused to sign self-quarantine documents, according to reports.

Elizabeth Linscott said she got tested for COVID-19 as a precaution because she was planning to visit her parents in Michigan. She received a positive test result but showed no symptoms.

She said the Hardin County Health Department asked her to sign documents agreeing to call them any time she left her house. The young mother claims she never refused to self-quarantine but said she would not sign the documents because of how they were worded, WAVE reported.

“My part was if I have to go to the ER, if I have to go to the hospital, I’m not going to wait to get the approval to go,” Linscott told the station.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A Kentucky couple is wearing ankle monitors after a run-in with the health department over COVID-19 concerns.<br> <a href="https://t.co/NY6RYBSMRR">https://t.co/NY6RYBSMRR</a></p>— FOX19 NOW (@FOX19) <a href="https://twitter.com/FOX19/status/1284680861296852994?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

After opting not to sign the health department papers, Linscott said she received a text message informing her that the situation would be escalated and law enforcement would be involved, KABC-TV reported. Her husband, Isaiah, said he was greeted by officers at their front door later that week.

"I open up the door, and there's like eight different people, five different cars, and I'm like 'what the heck's going on?' This guy's in a suit with a mask. It's the health department guy, and they have three papers for us. For me, her and my daughter," Isaiah Linscott said.

"We didn't rob a store. We didn't steal something. We didn't hit and run. We didn't do anything wrong," Elizabeth Linscott added.

The couple said they were fitted with ankle monitors that go off if they stray more than 200 feet from their home.

Elizabeth Linscott said that although she never refused to self-quarantine, “that's exactly what the director of the public health department told the judge."

"I'm like, 'that's not the case at all. I never said that,” she said.

If she did need to go to the hospital, Linscott said she planned to take necessary precautions like informing healthcare workers that she recently tested positive. The couple now plans to hire an attorney.

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EDIT: And by the way you say "Especially when the right thing is so incredibly ******* easy to do. " I keep asking for the science. You say "wearing a mask is the right thing to do." I'll take just once SCIENTIFIC article showing COVID spread is prevented or mitigated by a mask. So far the entire nation is operating under the "theory" that it "may" - which doesn't make it the "right" thing to do. It makes it hunchwork. Guesswork. And people are being forced to wear ankle bracelets, fined, or jailed because they don't.

Nothing wrong with that?

 

[oneforthebus]

No, but I may have to show vaccine papers in order to fly to do my job to support my family. Again, another overreach.

That's nothing new depending on where you have to travel to.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

That's nothing new depending on where you have to travel to.

I've traveled to:

England many times. Lived there for awhile.
Switzerland.
Greece.
Japan.
Okinawa.
Bermuda.
The Bahamas.
Canada.

44 of our US States.

Not ONE time have I had to show vaccination papers.

Where have you?

 

[oneforthebus]

EDIT: And by the way you say "Especially when the right thing is so incredibly ******* easy to do. " I keep asking for the science. You say "wearing a mask is the right thing to do." I'll take just once SCIENTIFIC article showing COVID spread is prevented or mitigated by a mask. So far the entire nation is operating under the "theory" that it "may" - which doesn't make it the "right" thing to do. It makes it hunchwork. Guesswork. And people are being forced to wear ankle bracelets, fined, or jailed because they don't.

There are studies that show masks reduce the spread of respiratory droplets which are thought to spread the virus.

Are there definitive peer reviewed double blind studies proving anything? No. This virus has been around for 6 months! You were totally ok with Trump pushing people take a drug without these types of definitive studies, but you are NOT ok with people pushing wearing a piece of cloth over their face because of the common sense notion that your spew can't travel as far if it's blocked by something without these definitive studies.

Ok.

Got it.

 

[Steelworth]

Has the media twisted distorted and exaggerated some things? Yes.

That's one hell of an understatement.

Is evolving science evidence of some grand conspiracy of the media and the scientific community to control us by forcing us to wear pieces of cloth over our faces? I can’t really fathom that you actually believe that.

Can I play devil's advocate for a moment? The left is saying Trump is deploying DHS officers to the Northwest -- not to quell complete chaos/anarchy and criminal activity that's been going on for 50+ days, but that he's using it as a testing ground for what he wants to do all over the United States, which is essentially be a fascist and control people's behavior/lives. Like our Constitution would allow him or anybody to do that, but that's another discussion. Could this whole mask mandate thing be a testing ground to see compliance? Starting down that slippery slope of a police state? That fearful people will turn in a bit of their liberty for safety?

I mean you make some great, common sense points IMO that a mask is going to at least prevent some flow of one person's airborne germs to another, but with all of the moving parts (people not wearing them correctly, not wearing the right ones, touching their face all the time), how can the government mandate something like that? I mean for you and me, it seems pretty common sense and practical and that we would take all the proper precautions to do this thing correctly. Now how about the probably 33% of Americans who would absolutely butcher this mask thing? If we live in a country with a population of 330 million, that's a lot of people effing this thing up.

And many are talking about making this required by law? How about they treat us like adults, and we act like adults, and they encourage it for the good of our society and our fellow neighbors & people? I think most (if not all) red-blooded Americans would be okay with not wanting to see more harm come to their country if they could do their little part to help.

It's when the talk about mandates and laws come in that people rebel. And who trusts the media anymore (who blow this thing up much greater than it likely is)? And people think that the government doesn't have their best interests in mind when you see/hear the media act like this, the 'experts' be all over the place, and nobody seems to know anything legit or are seemingly not given the truth on much. I honestly can't blame them at that point for being skeptical of our 'powers that be'.

 

[oneforthebus]

I've traveled to:

England many times. Lived there for awhile.
Switzerland.
Greece.
Japan.
Okinawa.
Bermuda.
The Bahamas.
Canada.

44 of our US States.

Not ONE time have I had to show vaccination papers.

Where have you?

I haven't traveled much. Vaccines are required for travel to some countries. I'm not going to look them all up and tell you which ones require which, You can easily do that.

https://www.vaccines.gov/who_and_when/travel

Some countries require proof of vaccination for certain diseases, like yellow fever or polio.

 

[Steelworth]

I'm not for mask mandates. I think they are counterproductive. I'm for encouraging people to do the right thing. Especially when the right thing is so incredibly ******* easy to do. Damn, some of you act like you're being forced to donate a kidney.

Just saw this. Well just forget about my long-winded post, we're already on the same page.