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Someone Tell Me The Difference

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So...

I earned my PMP credential in December. If you’re not aware of what that is: it’s Project Management Professional—considered the “gold standard” in the profession.

AND... COVID-19 was the actual cause of a $90K position being “put on hold” March.

So yeah... I got life ******. It is what it is.

So....,

I am potentially going to North Dakota for a contract position. What that means is I leave Florida and my girlfriend for a 6-month period.

It’s good money and temporary. Guess what..... I will be isolated from family and etc.

I’m willing to do it.

And it’s not out of the ordinary for the chosen profession. I know many colleagues who have done it. I did 3 months in South Dakota once.

So when the NFL Players & Media whine and cry about a virus that will require a non-ideal circumstance — someone please tell me why it’s a big deal.

I say man up and do your job.




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So...

I earned my PMP credential in December. If you’re not aware of what that is: it’s Project Management Professional—considered the “gold standard” in the profession.

AND... COVID-19 was the actual cause of a $90K position being “put on hold” March.

So yeah... I got life ******. It is what it is.

So....,

I am potentially going to North Dakota for a contract position. What that means is I leave Florida and my girlfriend for a 6-month period.

It’s good money and temporary. Guess what..... I will be isolated from family and etc.

I’m willing to do it.

And it’s not out of the ordinary for the chosen profession. I know many colleagues who have done it. I did 3 months in South Dakota once.

So when the NFL Players & Media whine and cry about a virus that will require a non-ideal circumstance — someone please tell me why it’s a big deal.

I say man up and do your job.




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nevermind I see you wrote 6 months
Lot of money for a short time not bad...
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Maybe I interpreted what you wrote incorrectly, but the difference is that long periods away from home is one of the expectations of the job and you/other employees knew that when you signed on. NFL players never have to be away from home for 5-6 months out of the year.
 
Maybe I interpreted what you wrote incorrectly, but the difference is that long periods away from home is one of the expectations of the job and you/other employees knew that when you signed on. NFL players never have to be away from home for 5-6 months out of the year.




I think you hit it on the head but also realize the NFL athletes have been coddled their entire career and act upon their whim. VERY seldom do they act upon anything they would have to be responsible for as they've had most of things in their career handed to them. The general feeling is they have sacrificed everything to practice and play and NOT do anything they thin k is hard other than football (in their minds they have already made the HUGE sacrifice).


PS FSF I'm glad to see you rebounding and Remeber GREAT subs can make your job a lot easier.


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realize the NFL athletes have been coddled their entire career and act upon their whim.

Many of them probably got the superstar treatment starting in high school. Look how they are treated during the recruiting process and the types of facilities they get if they go to some of the blue bloods in college football. Then once they get to the NFL many make more than their coach. Factor in social media and it is easy to develop that type of attitude when you have been treated that way for 10+ years.
 
Maybe I interpreted what you wrote incorrectly, but the difference is that long periods away from home is one of the expectations of the job and you/other employees knew that when you signed on. NFL players never have to be away from home for 5-6 months out of the year.

My point is life is life.

**** ******* happens. Sometimes those things aren’t your fault either — but you deal with it nonetheless.

They chose a profession that has high requirements for high pay. This happens in business frequently—even my gf had to spend 5 months in different when her company acquired another to oversee the liquidation.

This is reality. I’m not going to feel sorry for players dealing with a minor amount of inconvenience & adversity—and that is life.

Just man up & do your job. If you wanna not work.... sit your *** on the couch and don’t play. Then hope you don’t lose your job cuz someone else wants it & does it better. Guess what—that’s not exclusive to football careers.

I don’t feel for players in this circumstance. Sure, I believe they can make a choice — but shouldn’t get a dime if they sit it out.





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My point is life is life.

**** ******* happens. Sometimes those things aren’t your fault either — but you deal with it nonetheless.

They chose a profession that has high requirements for high pay. This happens in business frequently—even my gf had to spend 5 months in different when her company acquired another to oversee the liquidation.

This is reality. I’m not going to feel sorry for players dealing with a minor amount of inconvenience & adversity—and that is life.

Just man up & do your job. If you wanna not work.... sit your *** on the couch and don’t play. Then hope you don’t lose your job cuz someone else wants it & does it better. Guess what—that’s not exclusive to football careers.

I don’t feel for players in this circumstance. Sure, I believe they can make a choice — but shouldn’t get a dime if they sit it out.





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ohhh and they get paid millions of dollars to do it
 
My point is life is life.

**** ******* happens. Sometimes those things aren’t your fault either — but you deal with it nonetheless.

They chose a profession that has high requirements for high pay. This happens in business frequently—even my gf had to spend 5 months in different when her company acquired another to oversee the liquidation.

Yeah, I just can't fault a guy for not wanting to spend 6 months away from his family when it's something that hasn't been done before. As you said, life is life and it's not really worth missing that much time with your family if you don't have to, especially if that is not part of your normal job description.
 
Yeah, I just can't fault a guy for not wanting to spend 6 months away from his family when it's something that hasn't been done before. As you said, life is life and it's not really worth missing that much time with your family if you don't have to, especially if that is not part of your normal job description.

**** the “job description”

Things change—you adapt

Sometimes you have to suck it up & do what’s necessary.

It’s not ideal to be away from family for a stint—it frequently happens in biz; it wasn’t in my gfs “job description” to oversee a situation requiring her skills.

Guess what? We survived.

These guys can too.

And I promise you; the individuals who are parts of the “tiering” system; who work in hierarchy of organizations not making in the hundreds of thousands to millions per year but keep their families fed & roof over their heads — they won’t hesitate to make that sacrifice.

Naturally—you won’t hear about those people on MNESPN, as I have a friend who works for the Tampa Bay Lightning & is only still there because of the plan to conduct playoffs—as many others were furloughed.

I know a defense attorney who could get many clients out of jail through legitimate legal means until their day in court; but cannot because there are no hearings.

So if a player is separated from their family because of their job; for a temporary period, I can’t feel sorry for them.

If it happens I go to ******* Dakota instead of going to Citi 10 minutes away to— I deal with it. I sure as **** don’t WANT to; but will.

It’s called being an adult. You realize you are when no one is coming to your rescue.

Staying home for a player with pre-existing condition—like Bettis with asthma—that is legit. But because your “job description” doesn’t say it...

That’s just pathetic IMO.

I do concede—You can be pathetic and sit at home; but shouldn’t be paid.

What I like to this point.... no NFL players (that I’ve seen) have demonstrated any active resistance to doing their job. Only talking heads in a blow hard media who are worthless to begin with. And that is something I can respect.










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The issues around playing or not playing are a little deeper than not being whiney. Its a question about it being feesable or not. As in if the virus hits a club and 7 players get it, now what. And then you made a choice to go to North Dakota or not. The player can make a choice to play or not. Its him that will be out millions that can never be recouped. I kinda see where you drew this paralell but I thinknits a false equivalent. Are you saying you will have to endure isolation in ND so the player can shut himself off from his family in a bubble for our entertainment for 5-6 months?
 
Many people of various professions work longer hours, under " less than ideal" circumstances , for a lot less money. The players are *******. Hey NFL players, your ******* are showing!
 
The issues around playing or not playing are a little deeper than not being whiney. Its a question about it being feesable or not. As in if the virus hits a club and 7 players get it, now what. And then you made a choice to go to North Dakota or not. The player can make a choice to play or not. Its him that will be out millions that can never be recouped. I kinda see where you drew this paralell but I thinknits a false equivalent. Are you saying you will have to endure isolation in ND so the player can shut himself off from his family in a bubble for our entertainment for 5-6 months?

The narrative is not because I might have to; players should.

Which is precisely why I gave examples of others who have to endure sacrifices during this (or many other times) of similar nature.

I literally just learned last night: my gfs best friend & her husband (who quickly grew to be great friends) — he took a job offer last year to move to NC from Orlando—and not a year into that decision he lost that job due to COVID; now he’s going to Utah 10 days at a time for another job he recently started. He has a little girl he doesn’t get to see save for the fast turnaround times he can come back. They kept it private because of family criticism & drama. It’s definitely a sacrifice nonetheless.

Again, this is just an example. While COVID is the basis of the it now; it’s not uncommon to do assignments for your job that require being away from home. It’s part of what comes with the territory & not uncommon.

I don’t want to shift the debate to cases vs. death rate: that’s a different topic & analysis altogether & not appropriate for football thread. But I would urge not to take agenda filled news outlets like MSESPN throwing a message across bottom of the screen of X number of people testing positive without the data set of outcomes of those positive cases.

To translate to football terms & statistics—If I tell you Jameis Winston led the NFL in passing yards with 33 TDs; most people would say that was great year. Without other data—just sheer amount of turnovers for instance, it doesn’t tell accurate account of true performance.

Again, that’s a different debate. But players being routinely tested & consistently having Drs care as part of risk management plan; probably no reason they cannot have family visits. So, IMO, it only strengthens my position about dealing with it and doing their job under different conditions for a season.

Just one more thing. I already pointed out the benefits to people going to work because the season happens—we can easily extend that to many businesses who depend on entities like NFL to stay in business & keep incomes. But it has another benefit that no one ever wants to broach. This is a depressing time no doubt. To parallel—especially in Pittsburgh during the 70s it was extremely bad economically & very depressing. People had to leave the area to find work. It happened to my family leading me to grow up in Browns territory. But those Steelers teams gave people hope. At least for a time—they could forget about troubles and make it through. That constant narrative of Steelers fans travel is nothing compared to how we’re already there. Love of the team has passed from father to son & mother to daughter because Pittsburgh is a city that holds true to old values of hard work—a reason that even before the drama came public—there was never the love for Antonio Brown or Lev Bell like there was for Ward/Bettis. I think deep down we all knew they were not genuine.

But expand this to whole league. It’s a reality that sports gives people a chance to bond and to talk. It can make you feel good - which can give people a real reason to keep trying in their own lives. I know I’ve done many high fives and celebrations with complete strangers over games. Now, as much as if not more than ever—we need that.

Players use their platforms for their own branding due to having celebrity status with fans. That door swings both ways. To have that platform—it’s just as important they recognize the responsibility of what it means to society—not just as entertainment or distraction; but the real impact on people as it’s proven economic problems leads to deaths... drug addiction, depression, suicides & more. And no one wants to talk about that because it doesn’t fit the narrative of MSM.

“Getting a platform” isn’t in their job description either. How it’s used — career after retirement to actively using; it’s of my opinion that you don’t get to use it when it’s convenient.

You can disagree—but I won’t change my view and it’s certainly not just because of my own situation and willingness to do it—that these guys should do their job & not use excuse of being away from families for 6 months as reason to not.









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**** the “job description”

Things change—you adapt

Sometimes you have to suck it up & do what’s necessary.

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I do concede—You can be pathetic and sit at home; but shouldn’t be paid.

You asked for opinions and I shared mine and you don't seem to be accepting that someone may think differently than you on this issue. If that was going to be the case and you just wanted to call them out for not playing, why even ask about it?

I'm with you that if a player doesn't play they shouldn't get paid. I also won't call them pathetic for making that choice.
 
You asked for opinions and I shared mine and you don't seem to be accepting that someone may think differently than you on this issue. If that was going to be the case and you just wanted to call them out for not playing, why even ask about it?

I'm with you that if a player doesn't play they shouldn't get paid. I also won't call them pathetic for making that choice.

Actually you asked if the narrative was because I’d potentially have; they should too.

I gave you multiple reasons to dismiss that reasoning; including broadening the scope.

Never denied nor dismissed your opinion. No offense; I simply don’t find it persuasive.

I still welcome a challenge based on fact to my original query.






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So many ways to sacrifice. Perhaps someone is watching over a sick relative , an immunocompromised relative and makes the sacrifice not to play but at the same time feels obligated to stay and be that caregiver. Perhaps they feel they are compromised and don't want to take that chance. I am sure this is a small percentage reasoning but I don't blame anyone for taking care of theirs. In the land of the unknown outcomes everyone has to pick and choose their pathways. Maybe someone's sacrifice is letting the big money go to protect their family or self.

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FSF I kinda get where you are going with this. But in the end the NFL is entertainment business. I guess the league in conjunction with the players association and government will ultimately make a final decision. It could end up a big financial risk to the league to move forward and then have it be impossible to continue. I just keep coming back to 22 positive tests at Clemson and what that would look like in December with an NFL team. I guess we are gonna find out in about 5 weeks or so, but I have serious doubt this will work.
 
FSF I kinda get where you are going with this. But in the end the NFL is entertainment business. I guess the league in conjunction with the players association and government will ultimately make a final decision. It could end up a big financial risk to the league to move forward and then have it be impossible to continue. I just keep coming back to 22 positive tests at Clemson and what that would look like in December with an NFL team. I guess we are gonna find out in about 5 weeks or so, but I have serious doubt this will work.

Clemson gets 22 cases of the Flu and no one gives a ****. Drink some Gatorade, get some rest and we'll see you in the locker room in a few days. 22 players get the 'Rona and everyone goes into complete fear mode. Tired of people being pansies about this ****.
 
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FSF I kinda get where you are going with this. But in the end the NFL is entertainment business. I guess the league in conjunction with the players association and government will ultimately make a final decision. It could end up a big financial risk to the league to move forward and then have it be impossible to continue. I just keep coming back to 22 positive tests at Clemson and what that would look like in December with an NFL team. I guess we are gonna find out in about 5 weeks or so, but I have serious doubt this will work.

Data: Causation & Correlation

Rule of thumb to Data: getting 1 set of data is meaningless without something to measure it against — i.e. a benchmark.

22 players: vs what (how many players, how many hospitalized, how many recovered)

Try This —
If I told you I got 10 attendees to my zoom Meeting.... what does that mean to you?


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Data: Causation & Correlation

Rule of thumb to Data: getting 1 set of data is meaningless without something to measure it against — i.e. a benchmark.

22 players: vs what (how many players, how many hospitalized, how many recovered)

Try This —
If I told you I got 10 attendees to my zoom Meeting.... what does that mean to you?


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That it is possible ten people have Covid-19. Well 11 if we include you.[emoji16][emoji40][emoji41] ( I kid I kid)

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You did miss the point in jest. The data I told you was about Zoom.

Not COVID ...not correlated in any way

Edit: challenging you here.

What if anything can you infer?


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