The Coronavirus thread
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so what you're saying is only Jeff Goldblum can save us (since he's acted all those parts)?
he may be a bit busy tagging his wife and growingsome **** for her
I know if there is ever a real revolution, a large percentage of LEOs and the military would not side with the Government.
But in the present, in today's bizarre situations, it's a little disturbing how gleefully some LEOs are enforcing martial law. Arresting families on beaches, couples out walking, etc.
Have a look at these two officers harassing and needlessly arresting then un-arresting (lol) the guy.
"Winslow, Arizona police try to intimidate 71 year-old Daniel J. Mazon."
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But in the present, in today's bizarre situations, it's a little disturbing how gleefully some LEOs are enforcing martial law. Arresting families on beaches, couples out walking, etc.
Have a look at these two officers harassing and needlessly arresting then un-arresting (lol) the guy.
"Winslow, Arizona police try to intimidate 71 year-old Daniel J. Mazon."
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There's ******** in every profession. Absolute power reveals character and most certainly corrupts. Just look at how some of the governors are acting to see who handles power well.
I think that most realize that great science research does not happen overnight. Testing, and proving, takes time, especially with regards to how outside influences affect biology. If this CV thing was not infecting many people currently, that research would be going on behind the curtain, and we would not hear about it until the conclusions were proven, and made public. Unfortunately, this thing has caught us by surprise, and many are scrambling on many fronts, and information is premature. Then on top of that, the 24 hour media machine is churning out this stuff, in many cases putting their spin on the reporting.
When we look back with 20/20 hindsight, the misplaced confidence will be in our elected officials, especially the state and local buffoons. We will see how their decisions have made the cure worse than the disease. We already know that the media is not to be trusted.
I remember hearing about the virus having a hard time with heat and humidity a couple of months ago. I even went out and bought a humidifier.
In this case, I'm betting it's the Mayor of Winslow applying the pressure, Ducey is actually a pretty level headed Governor.
It was taken out of context and meant as a joke, but you would think by now he would realize the press would play it for all its worth.
I don't think he meant that literally...at least I hope not. I think he was referring to the fact that multiple chemicals kill the virus in a matter of 30 seconds to 5 minutes. I would assume that he meant that they would look for other drugs/elements that are safe for human consumption that may have a similar effect. I don't think he is the sharpest tool in the shed, but I find it hard to believe he would advocate for injecting Sodium Hypochlorite or Isopropyl Alcohol into someone.
I had a feeling he meant something like that. I didn’t hear the exchange, but the fiancé is all over this. Can’t stop talking about this. I know Trump speaks off the cuff and isn’t always eloquent, but this is over the top even for him.
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It was not meant as a joke, in fairness he did not tell people to do it. He asked Dr. Birx if it is something they could look into. She said no and I think may have bust an artery trying to keep a straight face.
I just looked it up on youtube and watched it. I want desperately to believe it was taken out of context....but after watching that, I cant. I don't have an issue with him asking about the UV light- heck they put babies under UV lights to get rid of jaundice,, and when my dad was really sick with his cancer, one of the treatments was to put his blood under UV lights. So that question didn't bug me. But the disinfectant??? I know what he was trying to get at, but there was no smile on his face, no laughter, nothing that would indicate it was a joke.
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He needs to keep his medical ideas to himself. Or at least bring them up in private.
Hes too impulsive.
Back to one of my posts yesterday: If it's Not safe to go back to work, open up businesses and get the economy rolling again, then shouldn't there be a very high percentage of essential workers with the kung flu? Seriously, we should be dropping like flies. This is such bullshit. The whole world stopped for a virus that isn't even as deadly as the seasonal flu.
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I think I get what he was trying to say and the LIKE he injects(no pun intended) into the wording is important but he sometimes does verbalize his ideas as well as he should. Sometimes though I think he does it on purpose just get people riled up and talking about it so he can do other things while he has them distracted.
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They are getting sick at a higher rate at least the medical workers. Which makes sense but scares the **** out of me for my daughter. Particularly since her hospital for whatever reason is not getting enough n95's to use with all covid cases. The local NKY private hospital has plenty. She is pissed off.
Think about it...if you are supposed to wear gloves to go grocery shopping, shouldn’t you either be sanitizing your gloves after EVERY ITEM YOU TOUCH or be changing gloves after every item? If the Rona is THAT contagious, then gloves won’t help.
I agree. It is these off the cuff, brainstorm comments that get him into trouble. Let the medical professionals field the medical questions. If there are some medical breakthroughs that we need to know about, mention it briefly, and then let the pros go into the science.
Also, these pressers don't need to be as long as they are. Keep it to X number of questions. If you do, you will get less of these gotcha questions, and get more relevant questions.
I have thought that from the beginning, which is why I don't wear them, even though I have them.
Also, one can argue that masks make no difference either. Do they really shield for airborne viruses, especially the homemade ones? They also make you touch your face more.
I have gone in to my office everyday since this started, I have been out on a dozen construction sites doing draw inspections, have been around hundreds of other workers. I have not heard of a single case of Covid-19 on any of the construction projects anywhere. It just doesn't add up. If it is as contagious as we are being led to believe, it should be hitting hard in the construction industry and by and large, that is not the case.
Floggy no gonna likey this...
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/2...QCZ6zZiPYqs5owi2xkWo7SsGEVTIChD-TS1wU9ATEeBsI
Instead Of ‘Flattening The Curve,’ We Flattened Hospitals, Doctors, And The U.S. Health Care System
Across the country, hospitals shut down 'non-essential' procedures in preparation for a surge of coronavirus patients that never appeared.
When the lockdowns began last month, we were told that if we didn’t stay home our hospitals would be overwhelmed with coronavirus patients, intensive care wards would be overrun, there wouldn’t be enough ventilators, and some people would probably die in their homes for lack of care. To maintain capacity in the health-care system, we all had to go on lockdown—not just the big cities, but everywhere.
So we stayed home, businesses closed, and tens of millions of Americans lost their jobs. But with the exception of New York City, the overwhelming surge of coronavirus patients never really appeared—at least not in the predicted numbers, which have been off by hundreds of thousands.
During a press conference Wednesday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis noted that health experts initially projected 465,000 Floridians would be hospitalized because of coronavirus by April 24. But as of April 22, the number is slightly more than 2,000.
Even in New York, where Gov. Andrew Cuomo said last month he would need 30,000 ventilators, hospitals never came close to needing that many. The projected peak need was about 5,000, and actual usage may have been even lower.
Other overflow measures have also proven unnecessary. On Tuesday, President Trump said the USNS Comfort, the Navy hospital ship that had been deployed to New York to provide emergency care for coronavirus patients, will be leaving the city. The ship had been prepared to treat 500 patients. As of Friday, only 71 beds were occupied. An Army field hospital set up in Seattle’s pro football stadium shut down earlier this month without ever having seen a single patient.
It’s the same story in much of the country. In Texas, where this week Gov. Greg Abbott began gradually loosening lockdown measures, including a prohibition on most medical procedures, hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. In Dallas and Houston, where coronavirus cases are concentrated in the state, makeshift overflow centers that had been under construction might not be used at all.
In Illinois, where hospitals across the state scrambled to stock up on ventilators last month, fewer than half of them have been put to use—and as of Sunday, only 757 of 1,345 ventilators were being used by COVID-19 patients. In Virginia, only about 22 percent of the ventilator supply is being used.
Meanwhile, hospitals and health care systems nationwide have had to furlough or lay off thousands of employees. Why? Because the vast majority of most hospitals’ revenue comes from elective or “non-essential” procedures. We’re not talking about LASIK eye surgery but things like coronary angioplasty and stents, procedures that are necessary but maybe not emergencies—yet. If hospitals can’t perform these procedures because governors have banned them, then they can’t pay their bills, or their employees.
To take just one example, a friend who works in a cardiac intensive care unit (ICU) in rural Virginia called recently and told me about how they had reorganized their entire system around caring for coronavirus patients. They had cancelled most “non-essential” procedures, imposed furloughs and pay cuts, and created a special ICU ward for patients with COVID-19. So far, they have had only one patient. One. The nurses assigned to the COVID-19 ward have very little to do. In the entire area covered by this hospital system, only about 30 people have tested positive for COVID-19.
If Hospitals Can Handle The Load, End The Lockdowns
I’m sure the governors and health officials who ordered these lockdowns meant well. They based their decisions on deeply flawed and woefully inaccurate models, and they should have been less panicky and more skeptical, but they were facing a completely new disease about which, thanks to China, they had almost no reliable information.
However, in hindsight it seems clear that treating the entire country as if it were New York City was a huge mistake that has cost millions of American jobs and destroyed untold amounts of wealth. Now that we know our hospitals aren’t going to be overrun by COVID-19 cases, governors and mayors should immediately reverse course and begin opening their states and communities for business.
Of course, some already are—and in a phased, cautious manner, as they should. But the overarching narrative that we all bought into, that unless we stayed home and “flattened the curve” our hospitals would be inundated, and if your kids got sick there would be no beds available to treat them, has turned out to be false. It hasn’t happened, and it most likely won’t happen, especially now that new evidence is emerging that suggests many more people have already contracted COVID-19 than previously thought, which means the disease might be far less lethal than we feared.
Public officials responsible for the lockdowns will no doubt claim that without these draconian measures, our hospitals surely would have been overwhelmed. And who knows? Maybe they would have. It’s an unfalsifiable assertion.
But at this point we should all be able to agree that the predictions were way off, and not just because they didn’t take into account stay-at-home orders or business closures, because they did. The experts, in this case, were wrong. The best thing governors and mayors can do now is admit as much, and start lifting their lockdown orders so people—including doctors and nurses—can get back to work.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/2...QCZ6zZiPYqs5owi2xkWo7SsGEVTIChD-TS1wU9ATEeBsI
Instead Of ‘Flattening The Curve,’ We Flattened Hospitals, Doctors, And The U.S. Health Care System
Across the country, hospitals shut down 'non-essential' procedures in preparation for a surge of coronavirus patients that never appeared.
When the lockdowns began last month, we were told that if we didn’t stay home our hospitals would be overwhelmed with coronavirus patients, intensive care wards would be overrun, there wouldn’t be enough ventilators, and some people would probably die in their homes for lack of care. To maintain capacity in the health-care system, we all had to go on lockdown—not just the big cities, but everywhere.
So we stayed home, businesses closed, and tens of millions of Americans lost their jobs. But with the exception of New York City, the overwhelming surge of coronavirus patients never really appeared—at least not in the predicted numbers, which have been off by hundreds of thousands.
During a press conference Wednesday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis noted that health experts initially projected 465,000 Floridians would be hospitalized because of coronavirus by April 24. But as of April 22, the number is slightly more than 2,000.
Even in New York, where Gov. Andrew Cuomo said last month he would need 30,000 ventilators, hospitals never came close to needing that many. The projected peak need was about 5,000, and actual usage may have been even lower.
Other overflow measures have also proven unnecessary. On Tuesday, President Trump said the USNS Comfort, the Navy hospital ship that had been deployed to New York to provide emergency care for coronavirus patients, will be leaving the city. The ship had been prepared to treat 500 patients. As of Friday, only 71 beds were occupied. An Army field hospital set up in Seattle’s pro football stadium shut down earlier this month without ever having seen a single patient.
It’s the same story in much of the country. In Texas, where this week Gov. Greg Abbott began gradually loosening lockdown measures, including a prohibition on most medical procedures, hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. In Dallas and Houston, where coronavirus cases are concentrated in the state, makeshift overflow centers that had been under construction might not be used at all.
In Illinois, where hospitals across the state scrambled to stock up on ventilators last month, fewer than half of them have been put to use—and as of Sunday, only 757 of 1,345 ventilators were being used by COVID-19 patients. In Virginia, only about 22 percent of the ventilator supply is being used.
Meanwhile, hospitals and health care systems nationwide have had to furlough or lay off thousands of employees. Why? Because the vast majority of most hospitals’ revenue comes from elective or “non-essential” procedures. We’re not talking about LASIK eye surgery but things like coronary angioplasty and stents, procedures that are necessary but maybe not emergencies—yet. If hospitals can’t perform these procedures because governors have banned them, then they can’t pay their bills, or their employees.
To take just one example, a friend who works in a cardiac intensive care unit (ICU) in rural Virginia called recently and told me about how they had reorganized their entire system around caring for coronavirus patients. They had cancelled most “non-essential” procedures, imposed furloughs and pay cuts, and created a special ICU ward for patients with COVID-19. So far, they have had only one patient. One. The nurses assigned to the COVID-19 ward have very little to do. In the entire area covered by this hospital system, only about 30 people have tested positive for COVID-19.
If Hospitals Can Handle The Load, End The Lockdowns
I’m sure the governors and health officials who ordered these lockdowns meant well. They based their decisions on deeply flawed and woefully inaccurate models, and they should have been less panicky and more skeptical, but they were facing a completely new disease about which, thanks to China, they had almost no reliable information.
However, in hindsight it seems clear that treating the entire country as if it were New York City was a huge mistake that has cost millions of American jobs and destroyed untold amounts of wealth. Now that we know our hospitals aren’t going to be overrun by COVID-19 cases, governors and mayors should immediately reverse course and begin opening their states and communities for business.
Of course, some already are—and in a phased, cautious manner, as they should. But the overarching narrative that we all bought into, that unless we stayed home and “flattened the curve” our hospitals would be inundated, and if your kids got sick there would be no beds available to treat them, has turned out to be false. It hasn’t happened, and it most likely won’t happen, especially now that new evidence is emerging that suggests many more people have already contracted COVID-19 than previously thought, which means the disease might be far less lethal than we feared.
Public officials responsible for the lockdowns will no doubt claim that without these draconian measures, our hospitals surely would have been overwhelmed. And who knows? Maybe they would have. It’s an unfalsifiable assertion.
But at this point we should all be able to agree that the predictions were way off, and not just because they didn’t take into account stay-at-home orders or business closures, because they did. The experts, in this case, were wrong. The best thing governors and mayors can do now is admit as much, and start lifting their lockdown orders so people—including doctors and nurses—can get back to work.
I can attest to that- when I wore my mask at work on Sunday, I would say I was adjusting my mask/glasses at least every 2-3 minutes. Let’s not count the normal amount a person touches his face for itches, getting hair out of ones face,etc. The masks exacerbate the face touching for sure.
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You never cease to amaze.
Fine, let's go with continuing to highlight your stupidity.
1. You have harped 2 or 3 times about 3.1 million commuting into the city daily. WRONG. Cite a source. I gave you one. Your beloved NYT. 1.6 million commute into New York daily, yet you repeat it over and over and over. You are WRONG.
2. You and SteelPride have been arguing over "death rates" comparing Stockholm and New York City. I used absolute deaths. Fine, let's go with Death Rates. You stated, and I quote: "The highest rateS are in the NYC suburbs, not NYC itself. The 3.1 million that cram into trains and subways and sit or stand within a couple feet of each other."
Your words: The highest RATES. Plural. Are...in....the....suburbs. Again, you are WRONG.
Again, I'll quote your beloved NYT:
Deaths per 100,000 people and infections per 100,000 people. The infections rate is absolutely higher in the suburbs, but that hasn't been your point. Yours has been deaths.
The death rate in NYC is higher than the death rate in Rockland, Suffolk, New York and Westchester counties, all NYC commuter/suburb counties. Only Nassau County, which DIRECTLY connects to Queens, has a higher death rate.
1 of 5 suburb counties of New York City has a marginally higher death rate. ONE out of FIVE.
The suburbs (plural) DO NOT have a higher death rate than New York City.
Wrong again Flog. Wrong again.
I literally just specified MORBIDITY and mortality.
”But, but, but if you use death rate only and the plural...”
Jesus Christ, Tim. Get a life!