Dupree doesn't not compare to Harrison or Woodley when they signed their deals, not even close.
Bud Dupree Leaves Representation before Officially Hitting Free Agency
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Dupree doesn't not compare to Harrison or Woodley when they signed their deals, not even close.
Nelson next offseason as well, if he plays very well again this season. They have to keep Nelson with Haden's age.
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That won't matter if he decides to hit the open market. He will be getting paid a bunch of money whether it is the Steelers paying it or someone else. He had his best season at the right time. I'm sure his starting point will be what the tag is for one season.
I totally agree with this, that's been my stance the entire time, if such and such team wants to pay him an outrageous amount, we'd be dumb to try to match it. He had his best year, and just because some team with a **** load of space will make him one of the top paid OLB's, that doesn't mean he's worth it or that we should match that.
Tomlin very rarely starts a rookie over an incumbent. Jarvis played his way out of town. You need to take your hard on against Dupree and understand that you are not the GM. Stop being like cooch. The man has earned his contract and he will get paid to stay in Pittsburgh. Go get you a 48 jersey and chill out for once til the next "contract crisis" has you chasing every comment about it.
Your hard on for Dupree or me, I'm not sure which, maybe both, keeps you bringing my name up, you dodge the question every time, where did I say he shouldn't get paid???? ****, I'm not the GM? Damn it I better get out of the South Side facility before I get caught. At least I'm putting a number to him, you just say pay the man, i guess you want to give him a blank check.
Bush starter from day one, Edmunds starter from day one, Watt Starter from day one, Burns started 10 games, Sean Davis from that same draft started 9 games, Shazier starter, Hell even Jarvis Jones started 8 games a rookie, Bell was the starter from that same draft. So I guess Tomlin rarely playing rookies over the incumbent only applies to Dupree?
Coryea, your lack of common sense escapes you. The man's performance merits a new contract. That he did it in a contract year doesn't discount his price, maybe in your mind only. I'm no cap guru so I'm not attempting to put a number on what he should be paid or his current market value. That the salary cap increases annually, so do contract values per position. When you have Mack and Von Miller skewing the top 5 average salaries for the position it means others are going to get paid more and this happens over time at every single position. Pegging someone to a specific number because of their position isn't as easy as it used to be when the cap went up in smaller increments.
If they actually do sign the CBA, Bud Dupree will be making more money per year than you have noted with less issue to our cap. The players behind him, like Watt for example, he's going to eclipse what Miller and Mack got paid. That is the position the players are face with in regards to a rising cap number each year and then getting locked into long term deals.
If they actually do sign the CBA, Bud Dupree will be making more money per year than you have noted with less issue to our cap. The players behind him, like Watt for example, he's going to eclipse what Miller and Mack got paid. That is the position the players are face with in regards to a rising cap number each year and then getting locked into long term deals.
Watt is a far more complete LB than Miller or Mack.
You keep saying he deserves a new contract, Where did I say he doesn't?
My point is, just because there are teams that will probably pay him like a top OLB, that doesn't mean he is, that doesn't mean we should pay him that.
I'm thinking common sense is escaping you, you want to pay him like an elite OLB, and he is not an elite OLB.
Yes the new CBA is a big factor in all of this, but right now we're under the old CBA.
You keep saying he deserves a new contract, Where did I say he doesn't?
My point is, just because there are teams that will probably pay him like a top OLB, that doesn't mean he is, that doesn't mean we should pay him that.
I'm thinking common sense is escaping you, you want to pay him like an elite OLB, and he is not an elite OLB.
Yes the new CBA is a big factor in all of this, but right now we're under the old CBA.
And a ton of people were ******** on Timmons because he took 3 years to become a starter. Then he became an excellent ILB for us. Some players take time to develop as raw talents.
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You mean on a cheap rookie contract? It's not like he was a bum, but if you're not all pro by year two this place will run you out of town. Half the board here didn't even want Watt in the draft because we would be drafting him by name only...
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Not to mention he was known to be green that he would take some time to develop... more than likely. Some of those types don't develop. Steven Conley says hi. **** picking late usually we can be thankful thankful he did come around even if it took a year or two longer than some would like.
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Man, tough crowd. Dupree put it all together last season. It wasn't a fluke. I don't care if it was a contract year or not, the guy's light came on and he and TJ are formidable bookends. And the guy works his *** off.
If he seriously tests the market, he's likely gone. If he truly wants to remain a Steeler and wants to continue his ascent here, I think they can get a fair deal done. I hope they can do that and avoid a tag.
If he seriously tests the market, he's likely gone. If he truly wants to remain a Steeler and wants to continue his ascent here, I think they can get a fair deal done. I hope they can do that and avoid a tag.
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I'm hoping he keeps playing as well and gets a deal done with the STEELERS and both sides are happy. In my next breath I hope we don't end up "CAP" strapped and a regressed player, the latter is lesser concern.
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The 4 seasons prior to this one, he had 20 total sacks, 2 FF, 2PDs, 30 QB hits. You think that's pretty good?
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Jason Worilds did too. Got tagged and once he got paid a lot more he went back to being somewhat less than mediocre. A lot of us remember that.
Didnt read the whole thread so not sure if this was mentioned already but if the new CBA is signed the cap will go up to 230 million. We would have enough to sign Dupree and Hargrave if we chose
There is a bit of revisionist history going on here. Bud was productive, just not great his first 4 years.
During Bud's first 4 years, he had more sacks 20-18, TFLs 30-21, and PDs 10-1 than Worlids. He had less FFs 3-2 and tackles 105-97, but after Worlids was tagged for his 5th season, and Bud was playing his 5th year option, Bud decimates every category of Worlids 5th year. Worlids never had more than 8 sacks in a season, and was still projected to be the top pass rusher in FA the year he retired. Worlids was always good for QB hits. Bud's numbers are lower than most elite pass rushers, but he's doing the most when he's getting to the QB. He's finishing plays, and putting balls on the ground. That is what you need in the new NFL to get a chance at more possessions.
I will also say this. Watt is such a competitor, he seems to have lit a fire under Dupree. These two are competing against each other while simultaneously working to make each other better. It was really fun to watch last year.
Another assessment of Bud's play that a lot of you are forgetting, is he can run down mobile QBs from behind. That's huge when you're facing MVP Lamar Jackson twice a year. He's also stout against the run and good in coverage when he drops. There is a lot more to being an OLB than rushing the QB, and Bud is one of the best all around OLB talents in the league.
During Bud's first 4 years, he had more sacks 20-18, TFLs 30-21, and PDs 10-1 than Worlids. He had less FFs 3-2 and tackles 105-97, but after Worlids was tagged for his 5th season, and Bud was playing his 5th year option, Bud decimates every category of Worlids 5th year. Worlids never had more than 8 sacks in a season, and was still projected to be the top pass rusher in FA the year he retired. Worlids was always good for QB hits. Bud's numbers are lower than most elite pass rushers, but he's doing the most when he's getting to the QB. He's finishing plays, and putting balls on the ground. That is what you need in the new NFL to get a chance at more possessions.
I will also say this. Watt is such a competitor, he seems to have lit a fire under Dupree. These two are competing against each other while simultaneously working to make each other better. It was really fun to watch last year.
Another assessment of Bud's play that a lot of you are forgetting, is he can run down mobile QBs from behind. That's huge when you're facing MVP Lamar Jackson twice a year. He's also stout against the run and good in coverage when he drops. There is a lot more to being an OLB than rushing the QB, and Bud is one of the best all around OLB talents in the league.
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Jason Worilds is the closest comparison to Bud Dupree I know of. The similarities of "excellence" are eerie.
I have said before and I'll say it again. We should not tag Dupree.
I do not think management and player are realistically close enough to make a long-term contract work. And I don't agree in paying $15 million for a rental player. There are as good, if not better, bang for your buck to rent a player for a year or two to fill that position. You just have to be a lot more creative than our management normally is.
I've said, I would rather use Dupree's money to see if we can get Jamie Collins for a more reasonable 2-year or 3-year deal to hold us over. And use the leftover money to strengthen the depth at TE or O-line.
The defense is NOT going to be the reason we don't have a successful 2020. As always with this team, some injury or weakness in our depth will rear its head during the season. I think that weakness is at TE (as part of depth at weapons) and an aging O-line that doesn't have good depth for when the injuries come (and they will with this group).
I can think of a million things I'd rather do with $15 million in cap space that put it all in on Dupree for ONE SEASON when all indications are we are so far away from his salary demands we are never going to sign him long term.
I know I'm in the minority. I know we are likely to get word TODAY that the Steelers tag Dupree and throw all my hopes out the window.
But that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
I have said before and I'll say it again. We should not tag Dupree.
I do not think management and player are realistically close enough to make a long-term contract work. And I don't agree in paying $15 million for a rental player. There are as good, if not better, bang for your buck to rent a player for a year or two to fill that position. You just have to be a lot more creative than our management normally is.
I've said, I would rather use Dupree's money to see if we can get Jamie Collins for a more reasonable 2-year or 3-year deal to hold us over. And use the leftover money to strengthen the depth at TE or O-line.
The defense is NOT going to be the reason we don't have a successful 2020. As always with this team, some injury or weakness in our depth will rear its head during the season. I think that weakness is at TE (as part of depth at weapons) and an aging O-line that doesn't have good depth for when the injuries come (and they will with this group).
I can think of a million things I'd rather do with $15 million in cap space that put it all in on Dupree for ONE SEASON when all indications are we are so far away from his salary demands we are never going to sign him long term.
I know I'm in the minority. I know we are likely to get word TODAY that the Steelers tag Dupree and throw all my hopes out the window.
But that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Its all a numbers game. They don't want to pay him X. I call bullshit. The guy has earned his second contract. That contract values escalate annually puts you in a position that you'll likely have to overpay for somebody at current market value due to positional contract averages, but that contract over the lifespan becomes a steal as other position players get paid and drive the annual position cost up. This is the basic math, that some just really can not comprehend. Obviously, you need the player to continue performing and this fear is what some of the others have. I don't see Bud regressing in the short term.
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Worilds retired after the tagged season IIRC
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Steelers wanted him but he wanted to pursue witness related functions by retiring.........
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Well, there's always this to consider...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Early reports are pointing to a normalized increase in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> Salary Cap for 2020 ($200M) then back to back big jumps in 21-22 (not unlike how the NBA agreement worked). Potentially as high as $40M increases. <br><br>Translation: Mahomes waits until next offseason for an extension.</p>— Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1233514904625274881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Early reports are pointing to a normalized increase in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> Salary Cap for 2020 ($200M) then back to back big jumps in 21-22 (not unlike how the NBA agreement worked). Potentially as high as $40M increases. <br><br>Translation: Mahomes waits until next offseason for an extension.</p>— Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1233514904625274881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Because no one offered him the big FA money he thought he'd get.
Worilds got tagged on the basis of one half of one good season in his contract year. Got the tag money which was pretty good then went back to being adequate at best.
I don't have a problem with tagging Durpee but I'd like to see if he can have two good years in a row, unlike Worilds.
It's also possible he got better after the team told Coach J. Peezy to take a hike.
I don't have a problem if they let him walk either.