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Ben and Mason's First Five Games Comparison

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The following was provided by steelcityblitz.com

In no way am I trying to compare Mason to Ben because imo there is none to be made. I'm just reporting what I read and thought were pretty interesting facts.

Their first five games that they started. Do not include the Seattle game this year since it was started by Ben.

Mason:

Record 3-2
10 TD's 4 INT's
Passing Yards 1,088
Total competition record at the time he faced them. 9/13


Ben:

Record 5-0
9 TD's 4 INT's
Passing Yards 1,106
Total competition record at the time he faced them. 11/8

Have to wonder if you take away that fumble from JUJU in the Raven's game and Conner's fumble, they don't post a couple more wins, and a couple deflected passes that should have been caught. JuJU again and Mongrief, that eliminates two INT's.
 
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I checked this out. Your stats are incorrect, because it appears to include games that neither player started.

Ben 5-0
84/117
7TD 4 INT
957 Yards

Mason 3-2
97/146
8TD 4 INT
976 Yards

The only real difference is obviously the record, and the fact that Rudolph has 13 more completions on 29 more attempts.
 
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I don't need a comparison. After observing past few seasons Ben did not give his 100%, he created retirement noise at the end of seasons, but whenever team drafted a legitimate QB, he changed his song and created more news. Apart from this, he developed monster in AB, by excessive feeding the ball only to him, I remember in a game for record purpose he throwed the ball to AB even we were in a position to kill the time. It eventually destroyed the environment of locker room.

I am really vexed with his injuries in middle of the game and leaving the game to Landry Jones type guys, BTW he only recommended Landry Jones I believe.

His injury in this season also, I feel he cheated the team by not giving proper information and not giving any heads up. Usually, I will give benefit of doubt on this, but as per my past observations with him, I believe he throwed the team in jeopardy. I feel Ben no different than AB and Bell.

Many ppl may not agree, but this is my feeling.

We need to move on Ben and look for Mason or other Franchise QB. We already wasted many seasons and gave walkthrough to cheats to get many Superbowls.

If we still look for Ben, we will loose even more precious time, we will be end up like 2nd most SB winning team.


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I don't need a comparison. After observing past few seasons Ben did not give his 100%, he created retirement noise at the end of seasons, but whenever team drafted a legitimate QB, he changed his song and created more news. Apart from this, he developed monster in AB, by excessive feeding the ball only to him, I remember in a game for record purpose he throwed the ball to AB even we were in a position to kill the time. It eventually destroyed the environment of locker room.

I am really vexed with his injuries in middle of the game and leaving the game to Landry Jones type guys, BTW he only recommended Landry Jones I believe.

His injury in this season also, I feel he cheated the team by not giving proper information and not giving any heads up. Usually, I will give benefit of doubt on this, but as per my past observations with him, I believe he throwed the team in jeopardy. I feel Ben no different than AB and Bell.

Many ppl may not agree, but this is my feeling.

We need to move on Ben and look for Mason or other Franchise QB. We already wasted many seasons and gave walkthrough to cheats to get many Superbowls.

If we still look for Ben, we will loose even more precious time, we will be end up like 2nd most SB winning team.


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Anyone that watched the two knows there is zero comparison, Ben was so much better as a rookie than Mason is as a 2nd year player. Ben threw the TD to Ward in a Hurricane to ice that game away, the Steelers with that great defense, were trailing in the 4th quarter to both Dallas and Cincy in those early starts by Ben, they were down by double digits to Dallas, came back and won both games, and the 5th start was that great win over NE.
 

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I don't need a comparison. After observing past few seasons Ben did not give his 100%, he created retirement noise at the end of seasons, but whenever team drafted a legitimate QB, he changed his song and created more news. Apart from this, he developed monster in AB, by excessive feeding the ball only to him, I remember in a game for record purpose he throwed the ball to AB even we were in a position to kill the time. It eventually destroyed the environment of locker room.

I am really vexed with his injuries in middle of the game and leaving the game to Landry Jones type guys, BTW he only recommended Landry Jones I believe.

His injury in this season also, I feel he cheated the team by not giving proper information and not giving any heads up. Usually, I will give benefit of doubt on this, but as per my past observations with him, I believe he throwed the team in jeopardy. I feel Ben no different than AB and Bell.

Many ppl may not agree, but this is my feeling.

We need to move on Ben and look for Mason or other Franchise QB. We already wasted many seasons and gave walkthrough to cheats to get many Superbowls.

If we still look for Ben, we will loose even more precious time, we will be end up like 2nd most SB winning team.


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Dude, stay the **** in India and burn your Steeler items, this might be the dumbest post of all time. To compare Ben to AB and Bell, wow.
 

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I checked this out. Your stats are incorrect, because it appears to include games that neither player started.

Ben 5-0
84/117
7TD 4 INT
957 Yards

Mason 3-2
97/146
8TD 4 INT
976 Yards

The only real difference is obviously the record, and the fact that Rudolph has 13 more completions on 29 more attempts.

Not my stats! That’s what I read on steel city blitz.com.Don’t know where you got those numbers but that’s not what they reported.


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I'm going to compare Devin Bush to Jack Lambert to prove my point that........ there is no point. The only thing that tells me is what I already said. There is no reason to try to say what Rudolph is. They are clearly trying to limit his exposure EXACTLY like they did in Ben's rookie season. Personally I think he has a chance to be a legit starter that can win some games with his play. Lots of the first round qbs taken in Mason's draft year will fall short of that.
 

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Again guys,not saying Mason is going to be better than Ben or just a back up. I don’t know what Mason will turn out to be nor do any of you but like me, I know you’re hoping he’s the heir apparent. We shall see but we need much more time to evaluate this.
Also, there is no guarantee that Ben can make it back at 38 and if he does, can he make all the throws he once s did? Who knows but all I’m saying we need to give the kid more time.


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I checked this out. Your stats are incorrect, because it appears to include games that neither player started.

Ben 5-0
84/117
7TD 4 INT
957 Yards

Mason 3-2
97/146
8TD 4 INT
976 Yards

The only real difference is obviously the record, and the fact that Rudolph has 13 more completions on 29 more attempts.

Read this from steelcitybliz.com

Take a Look at the Numbers

Pittsburgh Steelers’ quarterback Mason Rudolph has now played in six games in 2019. He started five of those games and also missed one with a concussion. He is 3-2 as a starting quarterback and has thrown 10 touchdown passes to four interceptions. He is completing 66.1% of his passes for 1,088 yards.

Like Rudolph, Pittsburgh Steelers’ ‘usual’ quarterback Ben Roethlisberger took over during the second game of the season. Big Ben was a rookie and Rudolph is currently a second year player. In his first five plus games he was 5-0 as a starter after taking over during the team’s only regular season loss at Baltimore. During those five plus games, Roethlisberger threw nine touchdown passes to four interceptions. He completed 69.6% of his passes for 1,106 yards.

The Competition

Rudolph’s five starts came against @San Francisco (2-0), Cincinnati (0-3), Baltimore (2-2), Miami (0-6) and Indianapolis (5-2). That’s a combined record of 9-13 at the time each team was played. Roethlisberger’s five starts came against the Dolphins (0-2) in Miami, Cincinnati (1-2), Cleveland (2-2), @Dallas (2-2) and New England (6-0). That’s a combined record of 11-8 at the time each team was played.

Four of Rudolph’s five starts have come at home in Heinz Field whereas Roethlisberger’s starts were two on the road and three at home. Overall the comparisons between the two players are not identical but they are quite similar.

Where are the Differences?

The National Football League in 2019 is not what it was in 2004. While the league was definitely making strides to being a ‘pass-first’ league, the fact is that it wasn’t there yet. The average numbers of running plays per game dropped from 28 to 26 in 2004 and the average yards gained per game per team in 2004 was five yards more than today (116 to 111). For comparison, the Steelers of the 1970’s averaged around 35 runs per game. Another way of looking it is that in 2004 there were over 14,000 rushing attempts by NFL teams. In 2018, that number dropped by 1,200 carries. In other words, the league today is different than when Roethlisberger made his first starts.

We must also consider the defenses too. In 2004, the Steelers’ D led the NFL in both total yards and passing yards. While the current Pittsburgh defense is on track to be a very good one, it is unlikely they’ll be able to reach those lofty heights of 15 years prior. Great defenses make a huge difference for any offense. Just ask Trent Dilfer.

As I alluded to earlier though the running game matters. The 2004 Steelers saw Jerome Bettis and Duce Staley combine for over 1,700 yards (106 per game) and 14 touchdowns. Right now, the Steelers’ leading two rushers are James Conner and Benny Snell who’ve combined for 498 yards through eight games. That’s an average of just over 62 yards per game. That is a massive difference and absolutely affects the performance of the respective quarterback.

In Closing

This comparison isn’t about which guy was better, is better or who will ultimately be better. It’s looking at how the game has changed in 15 years and how a defense, a running game and opponent strength can all factor into the evaluation. It cannot be argued either that the extra year Rudolph had in learning the offense is a solid advantage.

Mason Rudolph has done well in his five starts plus but he knows as well as we do that there is much work to be done. Ben Roethlisberger knew as much after his five plus starts too. In other words, let’s stop with the comparisons of the two. The overall body of work just isn’t there yet and might not ever be.
 

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They say the comparisons aren't about Ben and Mason, yet that's all they did, was compare their numbers. They could've used stats to prove the game as changed without mentioning either guy.
 

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They say the comparisons aren't about Ben and Mason, yet that's all they did, was compare their numbers. They could've used stats to prove the game as changed without mentioning either guy.

I see what you're saying Tom and I sort of was thinking that when I read it but some of the points they bring up are interesting especially the running game. Our running game sucks, period. It is one of the worst in the league and wouldn't help any QB, green or experienced. Trust me, I am not using this as a tool to say look, Mason's stats are as good as Ben's were. I'm using it personally as a way to say things are not as bad as we think. The kid hasn't played that badly. Has he missed throws, hell yes, does he hold on to the ball too long, sure he does, is he tentative at times in the pocket, you bet. These can all be corrected and as he plays more and gets more comfortable, he will.

Not knowing what to expect when and if Ben comes back and I hope the hell he does and can make all the throws, we just need to let this kid go through the process and let him make his mistakes but also learn on the job. You have to admit nothing was built around Mason, it was all centered around Ben as it should. Now factor in Fric and Frac Tomlin and Fichner who haven't got a clue on how to play to this kid's strength and make adjustments to his style of play, but they would rather limit his playbook.

We just need to wait and see how the=is season progresses.
 

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They say the comparisons aren't about Ben and Mason, yet that's all they did, was compare their numbers. They could've used stats to prove the game as changed without mentioning either guy.

Yup.. when they say it isn't about the money... it's about the money.

The entire article was about comparing them just to turn around at the end and say they weren't and shouldn't compare them. Like you said, they could have written the entire article without mentioning the QBs.
 

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Yup.. when they say it isn't about the money... it's about the money.

The entire article was about comparing them just to turn around at the end and say they weren't and shouldn't compare them. Like you said, they could have written the entire article without mentioning the QBs.

Then who would read it, right? Thats what makes it entertaining and draws interest with the comparison between the two QB's, but like I said to Tom, I'm not looking at it like that. To me it provides hope that the kid has the potential to be a top notch caliber starter. There is good and bad so far but to me I think he will continue to improve and I'm encouraged by what I see.
 

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For the better or worse...

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mason Rudolph has recorded a passer rating of at least 81.4 in each of his 6 appearances, tied for the 4th-longest active mark in the NFL.<br><br>He's the 5th QB since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger to have 81.4 passer rating & throw a TD in each of his 1st five career starts. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Steelers</a> <a href="https://t.co/oPd4fUWZLC">pic.twitter.com/oPd4fUWZLC</a></p>— Chase Williams WPXI (@chasepwilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/chasepwilliams/status/1191792782144397314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
 

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I see what you're saying Tom and I sort of was thinking that when I read it but some of the points they bring up are interesting especially the running game. Our running game sucks, period. It is one of the worst in the league and wouldn't help any QB, green or experienced. Trust me, I am not using this as a tool to say look, Mason's stats are as good as Ben's were. I'm using it personally as a way to say things are not as bad as we think. The kid hasn't played that badly. Has he missed throws, hell yes, does he hold on to the ball too long, sure he does, is he tentative at times in the pocket, you bet. These can all be corrected and as he plays more and gets more comfortable, he will.

Not knowing what to expect when and if Ben comes back and I hope the hell he does and can make all the throws, we just need to let this kid go through the process and let him make his mistakes but also learn on the job. You have to admit nothing was built around Mason, it was all centered around Ben as it should. Now factor in Fric and Frac Tomlin and Fichner who haven't got a clue on how to play to this kid's strength and make adjustments to his style of play, but they would rather limit his playbook.

We just need to wait and see how the=is season progresses.
Yeah, the running game isn't that good right now, the running game was putrid in 2003 before Ben got here, with Faneca, Hartings, and Bettis.
This is why I say people try to discredit what Ben did, it's always Ben had a RB, WR's etc. etc., but never one time have I heard that maybe Ben made them all better. Maybe the running game worked so well in 2004 because we had a legit threat to throw the ball downfield, or a guy that could get of the pocket and make something happen?
 

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He said, "I feel Ben, no different than AB and Bell" sounds like a comparison to me.

He did. no argument. He also said, "Apart from this, he developed monster in AB, "

He moved from a compare to cause and effect with that statement. That was nothing but a blame Ben post. Now excuse me, my dog has to go potty and Ben isn't around to walk him.
 

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Another thing is I believe we had the lead in the 4Q of every MR start so far. We dont have the defense or power running to eat up the clock like in Bens years. We had a ridiculous record at one point when we had a 4Q lead in Ben / Bettis days. Looking at the 2 QBs stats dont tell everything. At this point MR does not pass the eye test for me. I still have faith though because he looked good in pre-season. I think its just nerves and not processing everything quick enough at the moment
 

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Ben was clearly better after 5 games, but so what, it’s five games. If Rudolph is the eventual successor, my guess is he’ll never hit the highs Ben did, but he also won’t hit the lows (5 int games). He might not have to be as good as Ben to win as much or more than Ben did. What made Ben sometimes great was also what made him not so great other times. Rudolph might eventually be the QB that is never great, but consistently very good,
 

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Read this from steelcitybliz.com

Take a Look at the Numbers

Pittsburgh Steelers’ quarterback Mason Rudolph has now played in six games in 2019. He started five of those games and also missed one with a concussion. He is 3-2 as a starting quarterback and has thrown 10 touchdown passes to four interceptions. He is completing 66.1% of his passes for 1,088 yards.

Like Rudolph, Pittsburgh Steelers’ ‘usual’ quarterback Ben Roethlisberger took over during the second game of the season. Big Ben was a rookie and Rudolph is currently a second year player. In his first five plus games he was 5-0 as a starter after taking over during the team’s only regular season loss at Baltimore. During those five plus games, Roethlisberger threw nine touchdown passes to four interceptions. He completed 69.6% of his passes for 1,106 yards.

The Competition

Rudolph’s five starts came against @San Francisco (2-0), Cincinnati (0-3), Baltimore (2-2), Miami (0-6) and Indianapolis (5-2). That’s a combined record of 9-13 at the time each team was played. Roethlisberger’s five starts came against the Dolphins (0-2) in Miami, Cincinnati (1-2), Cleveland (2-2), @Dallas (2-2) and New England (6-0). That’s a combined record of 11-8 at the time each team was played.

Four of Rudolph’s five starts have come at home in Heinz Field whereas Roethlisberger’s starts were two on the road and three at home. Overall the comparisons between the two players are not identical but they are quite similar.

Where are the Differences?

The National Football League in 2019 is not what it was in 2004. While the league was definitely making strides to being a ‘pass-first’ league, the fact is that it wasn’t there yet. The average numbers of running plays per game dropped from 28 to 26 in 2004 and the average yards gained per game per team in 2004 was five yards more than today (116 to 111). For comparison, the Steelers of the 1970’s averaged around 35 runs per game. Another way of looking it is that in 2004 there were over 14,000 rushing attempts by NFL teams. In 2018, that number dropped by 1,200 carries. In other words, the league today is different than when Roethlisberger made his first starts.

We must also consider the defenses too. In 2004, the Steelers’ D led the NFL in both total yards and passing yards. While the current Pittsburgh defense is on track to be a very good one, it is unlikely they’ll be able to reach those lofty heights of 15 years prior. Great defenses make a huge difference for any offense. Just ask Trent Dilfer.

As I alluded to earlier though the running game matters. The 2004 Steelers saw Jerome Bettis and Duce Staley combine for over 1,700 yards (106 per game) and 14 touchdowns. Right now, the Steelers’ leading two rushers are James Conner and Benny Snell who’ve combined for 498 yards through eight games. That’s an average of just over 62 yards per game. That is a massive difference and absolutely affects the performance of the respective quarterback.

In Closing

This comparison isn’t about which guy was better, is better or who will ultimately be better. It’s looking at how the game has changed in 15 years and how a defense, a running game and opponent strength can all factor into the evaluation. It cannot be argued either that the extra year Rudolph had in learning the offense is a solid advantage.

Mason Rudolph has done well in his five starts plus but he knows as well as we do that there is much work to be done. Ben Roethlisberger knew as much after his five plus starts too. In other words, let’s stop with the comparisons of the two. The overall body of work just isn’t there yet and might not ever be.


I looked at their actual stats at NFL.com. The numbers from the article you posted include 1 game each that each guy played in, but did not start. For example, Rudolph’s numbers include his stats from the Seattle game. The folks writing this article are factually inaccurate.
 

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Lots of factors to consider, you can argue that Ben had better weapons to throw to his rookie year, Ward and a big deep threat in Burress who gave Ben a greater ability to make big plays downfield. Some of Rudolph's receivers have potential but they're young and not yet as seasoned as the Ward/Burress combination. Considering who Mason has had to work with he's actually doing pretty well.
 

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We all know the numbers aren't even worth looking at because of the ease to throw the ball in today's game compared to when Ben was a rookie. What is annoying about the comparisons is its devaluing how good Ben was as a rookie. W0.atch highlights from all of his games, the Steelers didn't have him throw the ball 30 times every week, but when he threw the ball he was making some terrific passes. You knew early on he was going to be a special quarterback.
 
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