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Pay me or trade me.....

A bad move not making the franchise tag non exclusive. That was a failure.

Even though I agree with you I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers if give the same circumstances wouldn't do it again. That's just how they operate.

Bell lost over $14 million and a year of service. Plus he got paid less than what the Steelers offered him. So at least Bell didn't gain anything. Plus now he plays for the Jets. That's got to leave a mark.
 
VERY true Cope. I know the STEELERS fully thought, in good faith, LeMEon would negotiate in real. Turns out bell bucked the system and the STEELERS were left holding the bag.

In hind sight I'm sure the STEELERS regret the tag designation but in the end, it's over and he is gone and NOW we are more of a team without the distractions.

I also agree that RB isn't the high $$$coin$$$ it once was. I know Bell was a very good talent but we also witnessed what a fresh drafted RB can do as well. I think with the "pass" NFL of today, the pure RB p[osition has waned away.


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You're 100% right. They were negotiating on good faith and were fully expecting to resign Bell. He ****** them. Sucks, but hindsight is always 20/20

Even though I agree with you I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers if give the same circumstances wouldn't do it again. That's just how they operate.

Bell lost over $14 million and a year of service. Plus he got paid less than what the Steelers offered him. So at least Bell didn't gain anything. Plus now he plays for the Jets. That's got to leave a mark.

I sure as hell hope not Vader. I hope they learned from it. The problem was franchising 2 years in a row. I can see exclusive the first time, but if you're going for 2 straight franchise tags, you have to hedge your bets. Non-Exclusive was the only way to go entering that free agency, and I fully expected it to be NE. I was absolutely shocked and pissed when it wasn't. The Steelers did create the situation, and getting nothing for Bell holding out a year is on Colbert. A 3rd round comp pick is not a win IMHO, it was bad strategy.
 
I sure as hell hope not Vader. I hope they learned from it. The problem was franchising 2 years in a row. I can see exclusive the first time, but if you're going for 2 straight franchise tags, you have to hedge your bets. Non-Exclusive was the only way to go entering that free agency, and I fully expected it to be NE. I was absolutely shocked and pissed when it wasn't. The Steelers did create the situation, and getting nothing for Bell holding out a year is on Colbert. A 3rd round comp pick is not a win IMHO, it was bad strategy.

I disagree. First, there were some indications Bell would eventually sign, but he just kind of made things up as he went. More importantly, the Steelers were a ready-made Super Bowl contender. I assumed Bell would play under the tag because only an idiot would be willing to give up that much money (oops). As a fan, I'm not happy if the Steelers trade one of their best players because of the possibility he may not sign. Now if we were talking about a middle-of-the-pack team, my opinion changes.
 
Grouping everyone into the same basket is rather unfair. You have the choice to feel towards these athletes anyway you choose and the same towards kids that don't receive scholarships. The USA colleges provide athletic and academic scholarships on a scale not seen anywhere else in the world. These institutions thrive monetarily off of this situation so I would expect them to provide schooling to athletes as they contribute to the success of the programs. Other students are not expected to be in the weight room at 5am ,go to classes, study the playbook, come to practice and games, respect curfew, etc.
I agree with you that for the most part highschool football is a fun time and a good part of kids that play do not sacrifice greatly. However the top tier athletes and their families are subjected to sacrifices on many levels. Amateur athletes wishing to participate in Olympics or world championships are supported mostly by family alone here in Canada. Young hockey players are shipped off in their early teens for a chance to play in a program that could further their career. Young athletes up here have to be good enough to gain recognition to a US school (NBA draft had 6 Cdn kids drafted this year) to be rewarded with free schooling. I am not saying scholarships don't exist up here but they are minimal in comparison. As an example my eldest daughter maintained the highest grade average of any student in her highschool for all 4 years she attended the school. She received 11 awards at graduation that amounted to approximately $26000. That kid made many sacrifices as she grew up to achieve those results. Sometimes to the point where I feared she was suffering socially but I supported her drive and determination. Today she is an editor of a magazine and will be enrolling her daughter into private school soon to further her learning opportunities. As far as nobody caring about kids that have to pay their way through school. See Robert F. Smith story where he committed to paying for the entire 2019 graduation class student loans at Morehouse. Rare eg I know, but there are people who care.

That's awesome for her, my daugher worked two jobs this summer to save up money for her sophomore year at College. That was awesome what Robert Smith did. It's not college kids i have an issue with.
My point is I don't care about a RB in the NFL that only makes 7 million. I have zero sympathy for them. Yeah they get paid lower than most positions, but to damn bad, you got a free education use that then if those millions aren't worth it. No one is forcing any of these guys to play football. That's across the board for all sports, I have zero sympathy for these guys when they start bitching about money when they aren't being forced to play.
 
I'm okay with players forcing trades. I think the teams should have zero cap hit when they do.
 
And then he forces a trade and signs with a team for ANOTHER signing bonus. It ought to be criminal.

it's like this capitalism thing is every dog for himself. Just crazy.
 
Good question. Hopefully he can manage to survive on the $5.6 million he has on his contract for this year. In 20 years, I'll be lucky to be be at a quarter of his pay for this season.
I'd be happy w/ his .6 over the next 3 years...

I have zero sympathy for these guys when it comes to money.
So much to say on this - see below...

Why make contract exceptions for only running backs? Do we need to do something for a kicker who makes 7 game-winning kicks in a season and sends his team into the playoffs? I get they take a lot of hits, but it's been known for awhile that running backs are not a high value position in the NFL right now.
I agree no exceptions; but, I am not upset at the great RB, who plays for 7 years wanting to get his moola v.s. the great kicker, who, in reality, makes about the same, if not more during his 20+ years in the NFL. {this is my opinion - not fact}

Again, NO ONE is forcing these guys to play or be a running back. If they don't like the measly 6-10 million they make a season, then quit and go do something else. Or become a WR or a LB or another position.
Most RB's don't even last 7 years in the league - those are the great one. A player plays at the position he excels at---if it is a RB/WR so be it. You ought to be mad w/ the NCAA and owners from the NFL rather than the players...

Really. Ok. I will draft Sequon Barkley and you can have the kicker. Running backs don't have value because of the CBA not because of their importance to the game. The belief is because of the nature of the game you are better off with a rookie with nothing on the cap and no tread on the tires than an experienced pro in the prime of his career, but soon to drop off. And there isn't one other position like that. No one goes oh I know he is a top 5 receiver but I'm not going to re sign him. I will go cheap and draft. Ever. The contact a lineman receives is literally nothing compared to a running back. It's one yard apart. Running back contact is two freight trains colliding.
As far as the 6-10 million, do you short change yourself at your job? Who the **** does in this game. Did Ben Roethlisberger take less because he wanted to win a championship?
I understand where you're coming from.

They get free college, get millions, cry me a damn river.
C'mon man...

I disagree with the bolded part. There pretty much has to be head-to-head, head-to-shoulder, etc. collisions on every play. These are huge guys propelling themselves at each other with all of their strength. Only being 1 yard isn't much of a consolation.
I agree here - both positions are brutal - getting clubbed upside the head by a 300+ human is not a pleasant feeling (and that's once - we're talking about 30+ shots to the dome per game)...not to mention the blind-side hits and when your ankle or knee gets rolled up on by another person...

I get that you don't sympathize with these guys in the money department because it is more than what most earn in a lifetime compared to one season of work.
However these guys don't just come out of highschool and pick football as a career choice. They start honing their skills at an early age and make sacrifices just for the opportunity to play highschool, then hope to be prepared enough to receive a scholarship to a decent college. Many times it will never be their choice at which position to play due to their physical make up, mental processing, skills and where ever a coach decides to use them. Even at the college level guys are shifted around constantly and some even do it to gain a chance in the NFL. We all want to obtain the most money we can garner, balanced against things like playing for a hometown team or potential Superbowl contenders. Only the elite players can manipulate their way around the league like AB did. They roll the dice and take the chance it might not work in their favor. I don't have any problem with a player wanting more money as they see salary caps rise and most sports have guaranteed money so that is an issue that is surfacing in the NFL. The only problem I have is the manner in which some guys and their agents go about this process. AB *******'s way ---- Demarcus Lawrence mad respect--- continue to work, maintain positive attitude and get rewarded.
Quoted for truth.

They don't sacrifice anything in High School, they play a game and have fun doing it in Highschool. These guys have their ***** kissed from highschool and onto the pros, excuse me if I don't care about them or their money they aren't making. Again, use that free school and go get a job where you don't get hit. The system is what it is, to damn bad. No one gives two ***** about the kids that struggle to pay for their education, have to work a full-time job on top of their classes, while these athletes get a full ride and have all their school paid for.
Bruh, has Coach abducted you or something??? There are uncountable stories of the sacrifices kids make, in HS, just to, in your words, "have fun". A vast majority of these young men see football as 'a way out of their current lives and a door/portal to a better life'.

Let's face it, Johnny Manziel came from old money and dazzled 'merica with his talents in college---where's he now? Living off of his family's money, if he's all out of his from the NFL would be my answer. This isn't a black or white thing, so let's not go down the rabbit hole, the truth is sports is the way many lower class kids
elevate themselves to the next class or above that, albeit for a short time, it is their ladder out of their situations. So, am I upset that the kids get a free ride in college with free meals and the potential to make it to the top 1% of the football iceberg? No. I've said this before, "shame on the NCAA for not paying all their athletes a stipend after each game, so that they can learn to, at a very minimum, manage money---money that most didn't have before college.

Now you have wide-eyed kids coming into the NFL with visions of grandeur - and they end up blowing their wads within the first 3 years because they can't break the ties from home or manage the new money and the behavior that comes w/ it.

It's sad, but, that's the truth. I hope that I haven't offended anyone w/ this or any of my comments...
 
I'd be happy w/ his .6 over the next 3 years...

So much to say on this - see below...

I agree no exceptions; but, I am not upset at the great RB, who plays for 7 years wanting to get his moola v.s. the great kicker, who, in reality, makes about the same, if not more during his 20+ years in the NFL. {this is my opinion - not fact}

Most RB's don't even last 7 years in the league - those are the great one. A player plays at the position he excels at---if it is a RB/WR so be it. You ought to be mad w/ the NCAA and owners from the NFL rather than the players...

I understand where you're coming from.

C'mon man...

I agree here - both positions are brutal - getting clubbed upside the head by a 300+ human is not a pleasant feeling (and that's once - we're talking about 30+ shots to the dome per game)...not to mention the blind-side hits and when your ankle or knee gets rolled up on by another person...

Quoted for truth.


Bruh, has Coach abducted you or something??? There are uncountable stories of the sacrifices kids make, in HS, just to, in your words, "have fun". A vast majority of these young men see football as 'a way out of their current lives and a door/portal to a better life'.

Let's face it, Johnny Manziel came from old money and dazzled 'merica with his talents in college---where's he now? Living off of his family's money, if he's all out of his from the NFL would be my answer. This isn't a black or white thing, so let's not go down the rabbit hole, the truth is sports is the way many lower class kids
elevate themselves to the next class or above that, albeit for a short time, it is their ladder out of their situations. So, am I upset that the kids get a free ride in college with free meals and the potential to make it to the top 1% of the football iceberg? No. I've said this before, "shame on the NCAA for not paying all their athletes a stipend after each game, so that they can learn to, at a very minimum, manage money---money that most didn't have before college.

Now you have wide-eyed kids coming into the NFL with visions of grandeur - and they end up blowing their wads within the first 3 years because they can't break the ties from home or manage the new money and the behavior that comes w/ it.

It's sad, but, that's the truth. I hope that I haven't offended anyone w/ this or any of my comments...

Well articulated and a good analysis. People like to use the term it's a business when it's their favorite team. When Troy was clearly done they didn't resign him because.............its a business. Now to me a contract is a contract. Particularly when it was given on speculation and it turned out. But I really cannot blame a guy for using whatever leverage he has to get as much as possible. Hell CEO's of big multi national corporations put the screws to the little guy employee all the time. Its a business.
 
But he is a RB1 and a WR2 on his team
why does that sound familiar

And that guy was replaced in one year by Conner. Just goes to show that RBs are a commodity and not like WRs or other positions.
 
That's awesome for her, my daugher worked two jobs this summer to save up money for her sophomore year at College. That was awesome what Robert Smith did. It's not college kids i have an issue with.
My point is I don't care about a RB in the NFL that only makes 7 million. I have zero sympathy for them. Yeah they get paid lower than most positions, but to damn bad, you got a free education use that then if those millions aren't worth it. No one is forcing any of these guys to play football. That's across the board for all sports, I have zero sympathy for these guys when they start bitching about money when they aren't being forced to play.

I hear what you are saying , it's all good. Hope your daughter finds success and I admire people like her that do what it takes to succeed. I wish there were more Robert F Smith's in the world.
Pay it forward.

Peace
 
And that guy was replaced in one year by Conner. Just goes to show that RBs are a commodity and not like WRs or other positions.

It was mostly a sarcasm reference but I did have to look it up to find that Gordon actually qualified as the teams WR2 in recs.
I am very happy Conner got a shot and succeeded. Football is a team sport and I am really looking forward to seeing our teams progress this season. I like to have superstars on a team but how they carry themselves does matter to me. I would rather spend time with a beautiful woman that doesn't realize how pretty she is. To me that usually makes it easier for people to see that she is just as beautiful and smart on the inside.
 
I'd be happy w/ his .



It's sad, but, that's the truth. I hope that I haven't offended anyone w/ this or any of my comments...
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Word has it there are 2 alter egos that you offend on a daily basis. Being new to the site .... it's just an observation (haha) you know what I am talkin bout :boxing2:
 
Well articulated and a good analysis. People like to use the term it's a business when it's their favorite team. When Troy was clearly done they didn't resign him because.............its a business. Now to me a contract is a contract. Particularly when it was given on speculation and it turned out. But I really cannot blame a guy for using whatever leverage he has to get as much as possible. Hell CEO's of big multi national corporations put the screws to the little guy employee all the time. Its a business.

National corporations in that sense aren't professional sports. They are paying a whole crew of people with no salary cap minimum wage. Again, hard to feel bad for a guy making $7 million, but also if he wants to use a holdout or force a trade as leverage so be it.
 
National corporations in that sense aren't professional sports. They are paying a whole crew of people with no salary cap minimum wage. Again, hard to feel bad for a guy making $7 million, but also if he wants to use a holdout or force a trade as leverage so be it.
I'm not sure what you read into things, but you really seem to get what you want out of it. The reality is that everyone does what is best for themselves financially. The team, the player, the corporation. They play their cards the best they can. The Steelers play their cards with Mike Hilton and when he gets an opportunity he will play his. Ezekial Elliot is a high profile player. Without him they are not nearly the team they are with. He doesn't feel he is being compensated so he will play his cards. James Conner is on the third year of his contract. Don't be too sure how that will all go down!
 
I'm not sure what you read into things, but you really seem to get what you want out of it. The reality is that everyone does what is best for themselves financially. The team, the player, the corporation. They play their cards the best they can. The Steelers play their cards with Mike Hilton and when he gets an opportunity he will play his. Ezekial Elliot is a high profile player. Without him they are not nearly the team they are with. He doesn't feel he is being compensated so he will play his cards. James Conner is on the third year of his contract. Don't be too sure how that will all go down!




Conner is NOTHING like LeMEon. No, Conner won't work for free and no one expects him to but on the other hand he won't be out there trying to set "RB" prices either. He will get a fair deal. There won't be any hold outs or franchise tags either. AND one last thing, when Conner says he will be there, HE WILL BE THERE.




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I have nothing against Conner. Quite the opposite he has been a exemplary Steelers player. But my experience is that Cool shades is that he will run him 300 times next year plus passes. The agent will get in his ear about Snell and running him till he drops. Lots can change. I've always largely believed Bell would still be a Steeler if not for the weed violations. They hesitated to resign him in his fourth year and it set the problems in motion. I think he would have looked at the guarenteed money at that point and it would have been a done deal.
 
Meh, RB's are all replaceable...

most players are replaceable especially if you have a decent all around roster

but Barry Sanders only missed 7 games in 10 years at his size and 1500 rushing yards and almost 300 yards receiving averaged over that 10 years is the toughest act to follow in the history of the league
only thing close IMO is Jim Brown
Jerry Rice did incredible things but look what he had to work with
 
This is why i was so against the Steelers caving to brown and even offering Bell so much to start with. It just sets a bad precedent in general and Im sure there will be lots of copy cats now. I hope the cowboys dont cave on elliot and make him sit out. The next CBA should be interesting
 
The next CBA will be like all the others. A lot of tough talk and probably some give and take, but a few of the rogue owners will **** everyone anyhow. 100 million for a receiver. Like C'mon.
 
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