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Diontae Johnson all business early, says plan is simple: 'Get to the Super Bowl'

You can maintain anything you want but posted were many Steelers WRs that destroyed your way of thinking that JuJu was an exception to your rule. There is no typical rookie numbers as there is enough examples to show the outcomes have been anything but typical.

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Again with 40 times. He is said to have some of the best quick feet off the line, he should be able to play inside or out. Plenty of MAC players have made it in the NFL, so not sure why playing in the MAC should be a knock.

Even the link you provided goes against your question if he can play outside.
 
slashsteel said:
You can maintain anything you want but posted were many Steelers WRs that destroyed your way of thinking that JuJu was an exception to your rule. There is no typical rookie numbers as there is enough examples to show the outcomes have been anything but typical.
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OK, let's turn opinion into fact. Last year's rookie WR production. (Nothing like going to the most recent facts in search of the truth.)

DJ Moore, 1st round. 55 rec, 788 yards. A first round pick on a team with little else at WR. I predict here and now DJ won't equal these #'s. Most had DJ as a 4th round pick.

Calvin Ridley, 1st round, 64, 821. Again, a 1st round talent.

Courtland Sutton, 2nd round, 42, 704.

Donte Pettis, 2nd round, 27, 467

Christian Kirk, 2nd, 43, 590.

Anthony Miller, 2nd, 33, 423.

James Washington, 2nd, 16, 217.

DJ Chark, 2nd, 14, 174.

Mike Gallup, 3rd, 33, 507

Tre Smith, 3rd, 28, 427

Now we are in DJ's draft area.

Keke Coutee, 4th, 28, 287

Ant. Calloway, 4th, 43, 586 (considered 1st round talent, had off field issues)

DaeSean Hamilton, 4th, 30, 243

Jaleel Scott, 4th, 0, 0

J'mon Moore, 4th, 2, 15

Justin Watson, 5th, 0, 0

Daurice Fountain, 5th, 0, 0

Jordan Lasley, 5th, 0, 0

Damion Ratley, 6th, 13, 144

Make of it what you will. I think DJ's pedigree is a 4th to 5th rounder. Do you honestly think he's gonna drop 80 grabs for 1,000 yards? I do not.

All things considered, I think 30 rec is probably his top end for 2019. I bet Washington outplays him. But injuries always come into play. If two WRs go down, then who knows.
 
what you don't seem to understand is that no one is saying he will certainly do at least what JuJu did last season. They are saying that just because he is a rookie doesn't mean his best bet is to get around 15 catches next season. We are waiting to see how he plays in camp and in games against NFL level talent before we decide what his odds of being a key producer for the team next season.

Only a select few can look at players and predict what might happen to them a couple of years down the road....
 
Bobby Bufford said:
OK, let's turn opinion into fact. Last year's rookie WR production. (Nothing like going to the most recent facts in search of the truth.)

DJ Moore, 1st round. 55 rec, 788 yards. A first round pick on a team with little else at WR. I predict here and now DJ won't equal these #'s. Most had DJ as a 4th round pick.

Calvin Ridley, 1st round, 64, 821. Again, a 1st round talent.

Courtland Sutton, 2nd round, 42, 704.

Donte Pettis, 2nd round, 27, 467

Christian Kirk, 2nd, 43, 590.

Anthony Miller, 2nd, 33, 423.

James Washington, 2nd, 16, 217.

DJ Chark, 2nd, 14, 174.

Mike Gallup, 3rd, 33, 507

Tre Smith, 3rd, 28, 427

Now we are in DJ's draft area.

Keke Coutee, 4th, 28, 287

Ant. Calloway, 4th, 43, 586 (considered 1st round talent, had off field issues)

DaeSean Hamilton, 4th, 30, 243

Jaleel Scott, 4th, 0, 0

J'mon Moore, 4th, 2, 15

Justin Watson, 5th, 0, 0

Daurice Fountain, 5th, 0, 0

Jordan Lasley, 5th, 0, 0

Damion Ratley, 6th, 13, 144

Make of it what you will. I think DJ's pedigree is a 4th to 5th rounder. Do you honestly think he's gonna drop 80 grabs for 1,000 yards? I do not.

All things considered, I think 30 rec is probably his top end for 2019. I bet Washington outplays him. But injuries always come into play. If two WRs go down, then who knows.
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I gave you plenty of Steelers examples. of production. No need to go team to team, to try to squeeze your opinion further out your ***. I have seen plenty of years that the rookies set the NFL on fire. Each crop is different

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Vader said:
Where is he going to play? Honest question. Can he play in the slot?
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He was playing outside in camp, but I have to think the Steelers like him in the slot. He played a good deal of slot at Central Michigan, and if his route-running is as good as advertised so far, slot makes a ton of sense.

JuJu at X, Moncrief at Z, Johnson in the slot.
 
Steeltime said:
He was playing outside in camp, but I have to think the Steelers like him in the slot. He played a good deal of slot at Central Michigan, and if his route-running is as good as advertised so far, slot makes a ton of sense.

JuJu at X, Moncrief at Z, Johnson in the slot.
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Try Moncrief X, DJ Slot and JuJu Z, it utilizes their talents more effectively. And yes, DJ can play the slot or X, not sure about the Z yet though.
 
Cope said:
Try Moncrief X, DJ Slot and JuJu Z, it utilizes their talents more effectively. And yes, DJ can play the slot or X, not sure about the Z yet though.
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I like this with mixing Ju in the slot and Washington at Z.

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Cope said:
I really want Washington to surprise me. I didn't see anything last year that gave me confidence in his game.
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I am with you, but I know he is a worker and lost some weight for added quickness. We'll see if this country boy can survive. (Old country song tribute)

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Bobby Bufford said:
OK, mentioning he was from a small school was only ONE point I made why it's likely he won't produce much as a rookie - just ONE.

And your counter - on that point - was to reference maybe the most talented WR to ever play the game as a counter-point. If there isn't a bigger exception to the average WR rookie season than Moss, I don't know who is.

Are you actually going to sit there, with a straight face, and use Moss as an example to what happens with a rookie WR in the NFL?

Do you think DJ has anywhere near Moss ability?

Moss speed, height and hands were out of this world. Or as Todd Haley said of Bryant, "He has alien skills."

I maintain DJ will put up typical rookie #'s, like 15-25 grabs. And we shouldn't expect much else. That's all.
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I maintain that your logic is not sound! I’m trying to tell you that coming from the MAC is not a deterrent and to not let that cloud your judgement.
No one was trying to make a comparison to Moss other than to say they both came from the MAC.

Now, take last year’s selection of Washington. Big 12 conference, pass happy offense, with your logic of school maters he should have had a better season but didn’t.





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Bobby Bufford said:
OK, mentioning he was from a small school was only ONE point I made why it's likely he won't produce much as a rookie - just ONE.

And your counter - on that point - was to reference maybe the most talented WR to ever play the game as a counter-point. If there isn't a bigger exception to the average WR rookie season than Moss, I don't know who is.

Are you actually going to sit there, with a straight face, and use Moss as an example to what happens with a rookie WR in the NFL?

Do you think DJ has anywhere near Moss ability?

Moss speed, height and hands were out of this world. Or as Todd Haley said of Bryant, "He has alien skills."

I maintain DJ will put up typical rookie #'s, like 15-25 grabs. And we shouldn't expect much else. That's all.
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If he, DJ, has AB-like skills ALREADY, how good will he be at the end of the year??? Considering AB has DOMINATED the league the past 7 years...
 
Bobby Bufford said:
OK, let's turn opinion into fact. Last year's rookie WR production. (Nothing like going to the most recent facts in search of the truth.)

DJ Moore, 1st round. 55 rec, 788 yards. A first round pick on a team with little else at WR. I predict here and now DJ won't equal these #'s. Most had DJ as a 4th round pick.

Calvin Ridley, 1st round, 64, 821. Again, a 1st round talent.

Courtland Sutton, 2nd round, 42, 704.

Donte Pettis, 2nd round, 27, 467

Christian Kirk, 2nd, 43, 590.

Anthony Miller, 2nd, 33, 423.

James Washington, 2nd, 16, 217.

DJ Chark, 2nd, 14, 174.

Mike Gallup, 3rd, 33, 507

Tre Smith, 3rd, 28, 427

Now we are in DJ's draft area.

Keke Coutee, 4th, 28, 287

Ant. Calloway, 4th, 43, 586 (considered 1st round talent, had off field issues)

DaeSean Hamilton, 4th, 30, 243

Jaleel Scott, 4th, 0, 0

J'mon Moore, 4th, 2, 15

Justin Watson, 5th, 0, 0

Daurice Fountain, 5th, 0, 0

Jordan Lasley, 5th, 0, 0

Damion Ratley, 6th, 13, 144

Make of it what you will. I think DJ's pedigree is a 4th to 5th rounder. Do you honestly think he's gonna drop 80 grabs for 1,000 yards? I do not.

All things considered, I think 30 rec is probably his top end for 2019. I bet Washington outplays him. But injuries always come into play. If two WRs go down, then who knows.
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Not ONE OF THESE BEEEOTCHES hold a candle to DJ's route running ability or line release. NONE OF THEM.
 
Steeltime said:
He was playing outside in camp, but I have to think the Steelers like him in the slot. He played a good deal of slot at Central Michigan, and if his route-running is as good as advertised so far, slot makes a ton of sense.

JuJu at X, Moncrief at Z, Johnson in the slot.
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I like that slip-up that he played at Central Michigan. AB clone perhaps, but without the diva attitude.
 
Bobby Bufford said:
OK, let's turn opinion into fact. Last year's rookie WR production. (Nothing like going to the most recent facts in search of the truth.)

DJ Moore, 1st round. 55 rec, 788 yards. A first round pick on a team with little else at WR. I predict here and now DJ won't equal these #'s. Most had DJ as a 4th round pick.

Calvin Ridley, 1st round, 64, 821. Again, a 1st round talent.

Courtland Sutton, 2nd round, 42, 704.

Donte Pettis, 2nd round, 27, 467

Christian Kirk, 2nd, 43, 590.

Anthony Miller, 2nd, 33, 423.

James Washington, 2nd, 16, 217.

DJ Chark, 2nd, 14, 174.

Mike Gallup, 3rd, 33, 507

Tre Smith, 3rd, 28, 427

Now we are in DJ's draft area.

Keke Coutee, 4th, 28, 287

Ant. Calloway, 4th, 43, 586 (considered 1st round talent, had off field issues)

DaeSean Hamilton, 4th, 30, 243

Jaleel Scott, 4th, 0, 0

J'mon Moore, 4th, 2, 15

Justin Watson, 5th, 0, 0

Daurice Fountain, 5th, 0, 0

Jordan Lasley, 5th, 0, 0

Damion Ratley, 6th, 13, 144

Make of it what you will. I think DJ's pedigree is a 4th to 5th rounder. Do you honestly think he's gonna drop 80 grabs for 1,000 yards? I do not.

All things considered, I think 30 rec is probably his top end for 2019. I bet Washington outplays him. But injuries always come into play. If two WRs go down, then who knows.
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As noted previously, you are not taking into account that these receivers you have thrown out on a list had not lost a number 1 receiver on their respected team. You even acknowledge Moore had a nice rookie season (like JuJu) because there were “little else” at the receiver position. Or in other words, there was opportunity to replace catches from the previous year.


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Ike Kelly said:
As noted previously, you are not taking into account that these receivers you have thrown out on a list had not lost a number 1 receiver on their respected team. You even acknowledge Moore had a nice rookie season (like JuJu) because there were “little else” at the receiver position. Or in other words, there was opportunity to replace catches from the previous year.


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Nevermind that half his list was productive, which still shoots down his original premise. Now he is back peddling trying to save his debate. Without grasping that he is drowning. Arms flailing, lungs using accessory muscles. Where some people want to watch the world burn, I am satisfied with watching him drown. I would throw him a life jacket but all I have is this brick. Oh well I will throw him that maybe it will help him somehow.

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I don't think anyone on here (at least not if they are of sound mind) thinks Diontae will light things up this year and be our No. 2 WR. Can he do as well or better than Washington did last year? Sure. But, I seriously doubt he sniffs 50 catches or 750 yards unless we have injuries. He is our No. 4 WR. As I have said multiple times before, I look for both Moncrief and Washington to both get 50+ catches with one of them hitting near 75 catches and 1,000 yards to complement JuJu as a good No. 2 guy. That No. 2 guy on the team won't be Diontae this year. Maybe in a year or two but not this year.
 
TDX27 said:
I don't think anyone on here (at least not if they are of sound mind) thinks Diontae will light things up this year and be our No. 2 WR. Can he do as well or better than Washington did last year? Sure. But, I seriously doubt he sniffs 50 catches or 750 yards unless we have injuries. He is our No. 4 WR. As I have said multiple times before, I look for both Moncrief and Washington to both get 50+ catches with one of them hitting near 75 catches and 1,000 yards to complement JuJu as a good No. 2 guy. That No. 2 guy on the team won't be Diontae this year. Maybe in a year or two but not this year.
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I lean this direction but leave the possibility open that he surprises. I think the scenerio is he performs quicker than anticipated and Washington doesn't perform to that above the line level. Because I think three Wrs will have looks in this O. Which three is up to them. Or maybe they rotate which would lessen his opportunities initially. Just some unknowns we will see. But not closing my mind to anything knowing opportunity is there with AB out the door.

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Maybe I'm seeing more in Moncreif than others but I think he is going to explode. Obviously health is key but between JuJu & Mon. I see the others fighting for touches. It's a nice problem to have. I don't have anything scientific or factual nproof of Moncreif explosion but I just have a gut feeling,........................................ could be the bacon or maybe the twice fried bacon but it's there and it's real.





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Drink IRON City said:
Maybe I'm seeing more in Moncreif than others but I think he is going to explode. Obviously health is key but between JuJu & Mon. I see the others fighting for touches. It's a nice problem to have. I don't have anything scientific or factual nproof of Moncreif explosion but I just have a gut feeling,........................................ could be the bacon or maybe the twice fried bacon but it's there and it's real.





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I agree with you IC! Moncreif I have the feeling will explode this year with Ben throwing the ball.
I think we could have an explosive triple threat with JuJu, Moncreif, and D.Johnson.
Now the others JWash, Eli and Switzer make nice options.
My concern is TE depth behind Vanimal.


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TDX27 said:
I don't think anyone on here (at least not if they are of sound mind) thinks Diontae will light things up this year and be our No. 2 WR. Can he do as well or better than Washington did last year? Sure. But, I seriously doubt he sniffs 50 catches or 750 yards unless we have injuries. He is our No. 4 WR. As I have said multiple times before, I look for both Moncrief and Washington to both get 50+ catches with one of them hitting near 75 catches and 1,000 yards to complement JuJu as a good No. 2 guy. That No. 2 guy on the team won't be Diontae this year. Maybe in a year or two but not this year.
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I want ALL of our WR's to do well. This is a team. That being said, our coaching staff do an exemplary job at scouting and signing WR's.

Here's my take - I want Washington to excel but, IMO, his chemistry is w/ Rudolph already and he and Ben are learning each other. So, perhaps the choice was more of a 'roadmap' one rather than immediate need?

Exit AB - enter DJ.

Someone, perhaps Coach Drake, had DJ on the radar and someone 'knew' he was climbing up the draft boards - so the Steelers pulled the trigger on him w/ their 3rd round selection. It shocked the world. Who is this kid? And then his highlights hit the screen. I was watching the draft w/ friends (none Steeler fans) and if you could've heard the cursing and negative comments - you would have joined me on the floor laughing. "How can one team lose a WR, like AB, and simply find his 'heir-apparent' all in the same breathe?"

I can't wait for this season to start!!!
steelhurt said:
I agree with you IC! Moncreif I have the feeling will explode this year with Ben throwing the ball.
I think we could have an explosive triple threat with JuJu, Moncreif, and D.Johnson.
Now the others JWash, Eli and Switzer make nice options.
My concern is TE depth behind Vanimal.


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If Moncrief comes on like he did in Indy - this offense is gonna steam roll teams. Lots of people don't have faith in the Gentry pick, but I choose to look at him the same way I did Jesse James and Spaeth - if he does his job - we'll be fine...
 
Drink IRON City said:
Maybe I'm seeing more in Moncreif than others but I think he is going to explode. Obviously health is key but between JuJu & Mon. I see the others fighting for touches. It's a nice problem to have. I don't have anything scientific or factual nproof of Moncreif explosion but I just have a gut feeling,........................................ could be the bacon or maybe the twice fried bacon but it's there and it's real.





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You're on to something IC. Moncrief is a LEGIT starter in this league, and he and Ben will work together to make great plays. I can't wait to see him on gameday as well!
 
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