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What is the plan with Mark Barron?

I was against the Bostic.deal. Barron has more value.

I do worry our middle defenders. The NT/DT is going to need to keep our lighter inside linebackers off the bigger offensive lineman.


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Coach said:
I was against the Bostic.deal. Barron has more value.

I do worry our middle defenders. The NT/DT is going to need to keep our lighter inside linebackers off the bigger offensive lineman.


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Let's look at this way, Coach...

The Steelers' have been in the top 5%, in sacks, since Coach Butler has taken the reigns at defense. Adding pieces like Barron and Bush to the mix will only result in MORE PRESSURE and MORE SACKS as well as better coverage in the middle of the field where we've been susceptible for many, many moons...

Imagine if we've selected Barron, in his prime, like we did w/ Farrior? The future looks pretty good IMO.
 
Coach said:
I was against the Bostic.deal. Barron has more value.

I do worry our middle defenders. The NT/DT is going to need to keep our lighter inside linebackers off the bigger offensive lineman.


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Oh, remember this name: Isaiah Buggs.

Rooooooooooooooooooooooooll TIDE Roll!!!
 
Coach said:
I do worry our middle defenders. The NT/DT is going to need to keep our lighter inside linebackers off the bigger offensive lineman.
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That is true. However, the 3-4 relies on the NT tying up two blockers and keeping a lane open for one of the interior backers, no matter how big the guy. Kirkland relied on Steed to keep him clean.

I fully understand that if a G is assigned to block a backer, and gets there, Bush and Barron are going to have a hell of a lot more difficulty time breaking clean off the block. However, I also fully understand that Bush and Barron are going to be miles ahead of Vince Williams and Tyler Matekevich in covering receivers in the middle of the field.
 
Bobby Bufford said:
Complete waste of time and horrid free agent signing.
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It was a risk, but then unforeseen injuries occurred.The thing is there is no crystal ball on how these free agents will pan out. Some do some don't.

With Burnett I would have preferred they doubled up on the free agent approach with him coming off a down year due to injury. Or went a different direction if they only planned on bringing in just one vet.
 
Bobby Bufford said:
Complete waste of time and horrid free agent signing.
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Wait, before they signed him, or after everything clearly went to hell? He had the injury concern but his past history with the Packers was extremely solid.
 
Steelworth said:
Wait, before they signed him, or after everything clearly went to hell? He had the injury concern but his past history with the Packers was extremely solid.
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You obviously don't recall 'the rule'...Pop/Booby can throw poop into a hurricane force wind and come out unscathed...
 
I see VW losing snaps as the year goes on. When Barron and bush are out there together do they use a 4 man front on obvious run plays?
 
CorpusDsteelers said:
I see VW losing snaps as the year goes on. When Barron and bush are out there together do they use a 4 man front on obvious run plays?
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I agree that VW will lose snaps as time goes on.

In run situations, I expect to see either Dupree or Watt on the line giving a 4 man front (although their hand won't be in the dirt).
 
Coryea said:
Bouchette was just on the radio here in Pittsburgh and was talking about Barron, said there's a decent chance that he, not Williams, will be starting alongside Bush this season.
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THAT's what I want to hear!!!
 
Steeltime said:
That is true. However, the 3-4 relies on the NT tying up two blockers and keeping a lane open for one of the interior backers, no matter how big the guy. Kirkland relied on Steed to keep him clean.

I fully understand that if a G is assigned to block a backer, and gets there, Bush and Barron are going to have a hell of a lot more difficulty time breaking clean off the block. However, I also fully understand that Bush and Barron are going to be miles ahead of Vince Williams and Tyler Matekevich in covering receivers in the middle of the field.
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Which is the problem with what the Steelers are running. They don't run the base 3-4 much at all. I believe Coryea broke it down a few months ago. But I think it was less than 30% of the time. Both ILBs are going to have issues because there isn't much beef up front. Those 2 DL sets are horrible especially on the goal line. Hell you might as well just let them score so you can get the ball back sooner.

Also Bush and Barron maybe better at covering WRs but no ILB is going to cover a WR long. They should be covering TEs and RBs not WRs. If the Steelers are counting on their ILBs to cover WRs and stop the run with 2 DL then this defense won't be that good.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
Perhaps they have seen the error of their ways and are going with traditional 3-4 looks, but with much quicker backers.
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I doubt it they are going to move towards "more traditional". They were not in their base 3-4 most of the time anyway...its all subpackage football anymore. If anything, I expect we will see that "3 Safety" look they wanted to do last year until injury hit. That may well be why Barron is down to 210 (reportedly) to play that LB-S hybrid. My gut is they are going to go back to that twist more often now that they are healthier.

Hopefully the new CB and improved play by Davis (second year as FS) and Edmunds (second year period) will help the defense settle. This should have a positive impact to the LB unit as well (which reminds me, wasn't last year the year Watt and Dupree flipped so second year in same spot should help them). Whatever formation they roll out, I do expect improvement. I don't expect shutdown domination, but I do expect a much better defense.
 
Hoot said:
I doubt it they are going to move towards "more traditional". They were not in their base 3-4 most of the time anyway...its all subpackage football anymore. If anything, I expect we will see that "3 Safety" look they wanted to do last year until injury hit. That may well be why Barron is down to 210 (reportedly) to play that LB-S hybrid. My gut is they are going to go back to that twist more often now that they are healthier.

Hopefully the new CB and improved play by Davis (second year as FS) and Edmunds (second year period) will help the defense settle. This should have a positive impact to the LB unit as well (which reminds me, wasn't last year the year Watt and Dupree flipped so second year in same spot should help them). Whatever formation they roll out, I do expect improvement. I don't expect shutdown domination, but I do expect a much better defense.
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well, I hear ya. but in their base, however little or much its ran, the % of passing is high so I think they are more ready to handle it while in base. I agree there is much more sub packages. If they did away with the 2 down lineman sets, having bush in the middle, could they do more of a 3-3 5? Trying to remember cowhers teams pulling Hampton.. I just cant remember.
 
The idiotic thing is they use 2 DLinemen, but still trot our 4 LB's when 3 of them are slow as ****. That makes zero sense. Williams and Bostic should've never been on the field together on passing downs, but they sure as hell were.
QB's hate pressure in the their face because they can't step up. Well when you use 2 DL that pressure up the middle isn't there often.
Teams run the spread O a ton, then they do those sprints up the middle, draws etc. when there's only 2 DL, there's no one to clog the LOS.
Simple science, we are using 2 guys that weight 300lbs vs 5 guys that weight 300lbs, I wonder who is going to win that pushing match?
And we ******* do it on goal line and short yardage situations.

Cam, Hargrave, Tuitt should be on the field as much as possible, rotate the back ups through. Watt and Bush should never leave the field unless for a breather. Then you use another LB or if you just stick with Watt and Bush, you use Barron as the hybrid with 5 other DB's.
3-2-6 or 3-3-5.
This bullshit 2DL formation needs to go.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
well, I hear ya. but in their base, however little or much its ran, the % of passing is high so I think they are more ready to handle it while in base. I agree there is much more sub packages. If they did away with the 2 down lineman sets, having bush in the middle, could they do more of a 3-3 5? Trying to remember cowhers teams pulling Hampton.. I just cant remember.
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Yes, the base 3-4 is a significant part of the defense. I was responding to the idea that they might migrate towards that traditional base. I don't htink they will run more traditional base, but I am not suggesting it will be eliminated completely either. The trend is to more personel packs and flex defense than anything.

3-3-5...I would call that a nickle package.

Damn, I miss the days of Big Snack. I know the game has changed, but that guy was just fun to watch play.
 
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Black & Gold Bleeder said:
Perhaps they have seen the error of their ways and are going with traditional 3-4 looks, but with much quicker backers.
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You are reasoning that these coaches actually learn and make adjustments; I sure have seen little sign of that. More like infinitesimal signs of it.
 
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Bobby Bufford said:
You are reasoning that these coaches actually learn and make adjustments; I sure have seen little sign of that. More like infinitesimale signs of it.
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Like at the big brain on Bobby. Youz a smart ************.

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But pro tip: you may want to make sure you spell the big word you're using correctly -- infinitesimal
 
Cope said:
And don't forget. Walton regressed last year. He was on the rise his first few years, but he lost snaps last year due to poor performance.
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Yes, he did seem to fade. I don't even recall seeing him on the field much.
 
Bostic and Burnett weren't big FA pickups. They were stopgaps and were paid like backups. I'm not going to kill the Burnett move. He had an excellent pedigree, but injury took him out of the beginning of the year, and he was replaced adequately by a rookie.
 
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