A good film breakdown on potentially what Bush brings to the defense.

[slashsteel]

https://Invalid Link - Check SN Hom...-how-devin-bush-fits-in-the-steelers-defense/

I thought it was a solid read. So I am posting it here for those who wish to view it.

 

[mightyguru]

3 down player with absurd closing speed. If we can keep the big dogs off of him he will eat up RBs. His read and react times in those vids are really amazing.

 

[Drink IRON City]

GREAT read slash and thanks for posting this. We moved up for a reason and my hopes is for those of you who think we spent to much to do so........................... get pleasantly convinced it was OK !!!!!!!!





Salute the nation

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Thanks Slash, enjoyed it. Like every spring, I have hopes the D will improve, despite the coordinators calling the plays.

May this be the year.

 

[BLITZ]

we have missed this athleticism since Shazier went down. I cant wait to msee the impact this has on our overall defense

 

[Fiji Mariner]

so we wait until next year to put the big beast in front of him so he can roam free?


I found it very curious in a draft deep with DL that we only got Buggs (late) to help protect and improve the investment we made in Bush. I also find it very curious the amount of 2DL sets we play, so what the hell do I know?

 

[steelhurt]

I love the Bush pick and think he’s exactly what we needed for a couple years.
Buggs, I like this pick as well but am perplexed that he lasted to round six.
The guy was a two year starter and a very productive one for the best college football program in the nation in the very best conference. What held him from being drafted higher? I’m glad we got him though.


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[slashsteel]

I love the Bush pick and think he’s exactly what we needed for a couple years.
Buggs, I like this pick as well but am perplexed that he lasted to round six.
The guy was a two year starter and a very productive one for the best college football program in the nation in the very best conference. What held him from being drafted higher? I’m glad we got him though.


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His height played into it. As well as a first rounder who played opposite of him. So I am thinking teams wonder how much Buggs benefited from a top tier talent getting a lot of looks. I liked the pick as well but those are the concerns.

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[Hoot]

Some good clips in that thread - thanks.

I been thinking that V-Will's days are numbered. People don't want to say that because he seems to be a solid locker room guy and hard worker...just the kind of guy you want in the locker room. He also wears the green dot. But the truth is the guy is an old school thumper who struggles vs. speed and in coverage. My guess is Barron-Bush will be getting more and more 3rd down time with Bush iting at the heals to be a starter by the mid season. If Bush-Barron show they can stop the run they will get more time. I like V-Will as a person, but I think there is a pretty good chance he is backup by the end of the season.

 

[oicu8ad]

This kid (yeah I said kid) could end up being better than Shazier. Seems to have much fewer whiffs.

 

[Vader]

His height played into it. As well as a first rounder who played opposite of him. So I am thinking teams wonder how much Buggs benefited from a top tier talent getting a lot of looks. I liked the pick as well but those are the concerns.

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So do you worry about Bush because of all the talent around him?

BTW anyone that watches the OSU game and comes away thinking that Bush played great has on rose colored glasses. He was manhandled by the OSU OL. Anyone can go to Youtube and just type in Bush vs. OSU game film. This article only took a couple of plays from that game. It's easy to find a handful of plays in a year and come to any conclusion you want. But if you watch the entire game(s) then you get a better over view. I'm not saying Bush is going to be a bust but he has more issues than people want to admit.

 

[steelhurt]

His height played into it. As well as a first rounder who played opposite of him. So I am thinking teams wonder how much Buggs benefited from a top tier talent getting a lot of looks. I liked the pick as well but those are the concerns.

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Makes sense! This kid can play though and may be a real steal for us. Last year’s pick of Frazier was a joke since he never hit the field for the Tide but Mr. Buggs started two years and played well. Of course as you mentioned always a benefit to play with top talent but wonder Slash how much they benefited as well from Buggs. Be a nice surprise and and a much needed depth to replace Big Dan.


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[slashsteel]

So do you worry about Bush because of all the talent around him?

BTW anyone that watches the OSU game and comes away thinking that Bush played great has on rose colored glasses. He was manhandled by the OSU OL. Anyone can go to Youtube and just type in Bush vs. OSU game film. This article only took a couple of plays from that game. It's easy to find a handful of plays in a year and come to any conclusion you want. But if you watch the entire game(s) then you get a better over view. I'm not saying Bush is going to be a bust but he has more issues than people want to admit.

I was telling him the percieved draft concerns , not my concerns. Any shorter player will have the same height concerns with getting off blocks. I watched three games on Bush and was happy with what I saw. It doesn't eliminate concerns. But it isn't like he can't be coached up. Shazier improved and was still in the process of fine tuning. I am sure Bush will have to work on getting off blocks. I am not concerned, and one game won't make me feel otherwise. As far as the article it was pointing out positives, it isn't like they are saying there isn't concerns either. It isn't rose colored glasses seeing positives. Even if the negatives aren't focused in on. I mean **** isn't there enough negatives talked about to give that a break here and there? There isn't a player who doesn't have concerns. Just each player fields different degree of concerns. All fans know there isn't a pick that can't bust out.

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[Omar10213245]

I feel pretty good about Bush, better than I did before the draft.

 

[Vader]

I was telling him the percieved draft concerns , not my concerns. Any shorter player will have the same height concerns with getting off blocks. I watched three games on Bush and was happy with what I saw. It doesn't eliminate concerns. But it isn't like he can't be coached up. Shazier improved and was still in the process of fine tuning. I am sure Bush will have to work on getting off blocks. I am not concerned, and one game won't make me feel otherwise. As far as the article it was pointing out positives, it isn't like they are saying there isn't concerns either. It isn't rose colored glasses seeing positives. Even if the negatives aren't focused in on. I mean **** isn't there enough negatives talked about to give that a break here and there? There isn't a player who doesn't have concerns. Just each player fields different degree of concerns. All fans know there isn't a pick that can't bust out.

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My problem is that when the Steelers draft someone all the standard excuses come out. He's short.. doesn't matter height isn't important. He doesn't wrap up when he hits... doesn't matter he can be taught that. He gets owned by college OL.. no worries he can he'll be fine against pro- OL.

You can make the same excuses about every single draft pick that has ever been drafted. BTW do you really think the Steelers have done a good job coaching up LBs? I didn't just watch one game. I've seen all Bush's games. I've broken down every single game. He was manhandled by OSU and MSU. Yes, he had one good play against MSU and 2 against OSU. Even though one of those "great" plays never gets made in the NFL. His foot tackle won't cut it in the NFL. He is literally sliding off the guy (because he doesn't wrap up) and is holding on to his foot.

Like I said. I don't see him as a bust or anything. He'll probably be a starting ILB but he's going to struggle against the run and he is going to struggle against tall TEs.

 

[slashsteel]

My problem is that when the Steelers draft someone all the standard excuses come out. He's short.. doesn't matter height isn't important. He doesn't wrap up when he hits... doesn't matter he can be taught that. He gets owned by college OL.. no worries he can he'll be fine against pro- OL.

You can make the same excuses about every single draft pick that has ever been drafted. BTW do you really think the Steelers have done a good job coaching up LBs? I didn't just watch one game. I've seen all Bush's games. I've broken down every single game. He was manhandled by OSU and MSU. Yes, he had one good play against MSU and 2 against OSU. Even though one of those "great" plays never gets made in the NFL. His foot tackle won't cut it in the NFL. He is literally sliding off the guy (because he doesn't wrap up) and is holding on to his foot.

Like I said. I don't see him as a bust or anything. He'll probably be a starting ILB but he's going to struggle against the run and he is going to struggle against tall TEs.

Thing is Vader honestly you and me and ten others can watch film and see different things.

And I am not sure we can lock into what he will struggle with. Definitely not long term.

And then it is can he be coached up. There was times the D jumped into top 5 statistically. Our DC who I think is a better LBer coach will be overlooking the LBing unit again. Butler. One job I think he is capable at.

 

[Vader]

Thing is Vader honestly you and me and ten others can watch film and see different things.

And I am not sure we can lock into what he will struggle with. Definitely not long term.

And then it is can he be coached up. There was times the D jumped into top 5 statistically. Our DC who I think is a better LBer coach will be overlooking the LBing unit again. Butler. One job I think he is capable at.

One question... have you actually watched the OSU game while focusing on Bush? Did you see the few times he rushed and encountered the OL him getting blasted off his feet? I understand that the Steelers drafted him and they can do no wrong. The excused are built in and that's fine. If he had been drafted by the bungles everyone would be talking about bad plays on film and his short stature for a LB and how OLs in college manhandled him. I've seen it happen on here all the time. Players people were high on get drafted by other teams and they turn on them. I watched film on him before the draft so I'd know and have an opinion of him before a team took him. That's as unbiased as I can be.

As far as not being sure what he will struggle with.. well if that's the case then why is anyone talking about any draft pick? Since no one can know? No one has a problem talking about what the other draft pick struggle with. Why is Bush so shrouded in mystery? I know what he struggled with in college. So with better athletes in the NFL most people can safely assume he will struggle with those same issues.

 

[ianv2012]

One question... have you actually watched the OSU game while focusing on Bush? Did you see the few times he rushed and encountered the OL him getting blasted off his feet? I understand that the Steelers drafted him and they can do no wrong. The excused are built in and that's fine. If he had been drafted by the bungles everyone would be talking about bad plays on film and his short stature for a LB and how OLs in college manhandled him. I've seen it happen on here all the time. Players people were high on get drafted by other teams and they turn on them. I watched film on him before the draft so I'd know and have an opinion of him before a team took him. That's as unbiased as I can be.

As far as not being sure what he will struggle with.. well if that's the case then why is anyone talking about any draft pick? Since no one can know? No one has a problem talking about what the other draft pick struggle with. Why is Bush so shrouded in mystery? I know what he struggled with in college. So with better athletes in the NFL most people can safely assume he will struggle with those same issues.

.......guess that Super Bowl in Seattle showed what kind of career Roethlisberger was going to have, guess anytime someone has one really bad game guess it's the end all be all. You literally keep pointing to the one game against OSU, and sure a really rough game for him, but one game does not a career make, ask Frank Reich. Your rhetoric is the same everytime, and this argument is no different than say Coach pointing to the Senior Bowl performance of a player as the epitome of necessary scouting on that player whether positive or negative.

 

[Steelworth]

Vader, I value your opinion as you seem to watch a lot of college ball & know your ****, but maybe these guys were onto something when they traded up for Bush. It hasn't happened often, but the trade-ups in the past have been pretty damn successful.

Colbert doesn't do it very often, but he definitely did it here for a reason. And you mentioned that LBs haven't been coached quite that well, but our ILBs have been pretty good. Timmons & Shazier were taken pretty high so much was expected of them, but they produced. I agree that a sturdy DL well help make Bush as successful as he can be, but let's also let this guy's natural freakish gifts (like Polamalu) take front & center.

I'm optimistic about this guy. Hope like hell it works out.

 

[slashsteel]

One question... have you actually watched the OSU game while focusing on Bush? Did you see the few times he rushed and encountered the OL him getting blasted off his feet? I understand that the Steelers drafted him and they can do no wrong. The excused are built in and that's fine. If he had been drafted by the bungles everyone would be talking about bad plays on film and his short stature for a LB and how OLs in college manhandled him. I've seen it happen on here all the time. Players people were high on get drafted by other teams and they turn on them. I watched film on him before the draft so I'd know and have an opinion of him before a team took him. That's as unbiased as I can be.

As far as not being sure what he will struggle with.. well if that's the case then why is anyone talking about any draft pick? Since no one can know? No one has a problem talking about what the other draft pick struggle with. Why is Bush so shrouded in mystery? I know what he struggled with in college. So with better athletes in the NFL most people can safely assume he will struggle with those same issues.

Should I hang my hat on that performance? Are you telling me your film evaluation is equal to or better than the Steelers scouts?

There is no mystery around Bush. Again we know his potential strengths and weaknesses. It is up to Butler and JO to harness those strengths and minimize the weaknesses.

And to Bush to be Bush you know that football bloodline player who is a filmroom junkie and has top notch speed and athleticism.


So you are saying your peace of clay has deficiencies.

I am saying our piece of clay will minimize his deficiencies. And maximize his strengths.As he develops.

 

[Vader]

.......guess that Super Bowl in Seattle showed what kind of career Roethlisberger was going to have, guess anytime someone has one really bad game guess it's the end all be all. You literally keep pointing to the one game against OSU, and sure a really rough game for him, but one game does not a career make, ask Frank Reich. Your rhetoric is the same everytime, and this argument is no different than say Coach pointing to the Senior Bowl performance of a player as the epitome of necessary scouting on that player whether positive or negative.

Obviously you haven't read many of my posts. I've watched EVERY SINGLE GAME that Bush has played. I'm not putting stock in just one game. You sound like Coach talking about someone when he has no idea what he is talking about.

Should I hang my hat on that performance? Are you telling me your film evaluation is equal to or better than the Steelers scouts?

There is no mystery around Bush. Again we know his potential strengths and weaknesses. It is up to Butler and JO to harness those strengths and minimize the weaknesses.

And to Bush to be Bush you know that football bloodline player who is a filmroom junkie and has top notch speed and athleticism.


So you are saying your peace of clay has deficiencies.

I am saying our piece of clay will minimize his deficiencies. And maximize his strengths.As he develops.

I'm saying that the Steelers have yet to assure me they can minimize anything at the LB position. Why didn't they do that with Jones? How about the many other LBs that didn't work out? Also this is a board for talking about Steeler football. My evaluations have nothing to do with Colbert or anyone else. Are you saying your evaluation is better than all those teams that passed on Bush? Are you better than they are? See how stupid that sounds?

 

[Bobby Bufford]

GREAT read slash and thanks for posting this. We moved up for a reason and my hopes is for those of you who think we spent to much to do so........................... get pleasantly convinced it was OK !!!!!!!!

That's what some said about Polamalu when they moved up to get him. He worked out OK.

 

[slashsteel]

Obviously you haven't read many of my posts. I've watched EVERY SINGLE GAME that Bush has played. I'm not putting stock in just one game. You sound like Coach talking about someone when he has no idea what he is talking about.



I'm saying that the Steelers have yet to assure me they can minimize anything at the LB position. Why didn't they do that with Jones? How about the many other LBs that didn't work out? Also this is a board for talking about Steeler football. My evaluations have nothing to do with Colbert or anyone else. Are you saying your evaluation is better than all those teams that passed on Bush? Are you better than they are? See how stupid that sounds?

Just pointing out how you come across in regards to Bush. Seems to tilt negative with a locked in mindset. And you haven't acknowledged that your game review could simply be inaccurate. As people see different things on watching games.**** we all watch every Steeler game here. Well most of us. And look at the different opinions across the board.

..As far as my reviews they are hit and miss. Doesn't bother me when I am wrong.

We had many LBers that did work out, as well as didn't. But Porter isn't here, so there is a good chance the coaching is better in regards to the backers.

Overall I trust their evaluation process, as their one of the better drafting teams.(DBs not so much) Jones wasn't athletic so hard to coach up a unathletic player, just a bad pick.And I really had no faith in Porter developing ****.

Also there isn't one negative that you pointed out that can't be coached up.And Butler is a more capable LB coach.

I get we have different opinions regarding Bush. And that is ok. I just think you are wrong with this eval. We'll see.

 

[ianv2012]

Obviously you haven't read many of my posts. I've watched EVERY SINGLE GAME that Bush has played. I'm not putting stock in just one game. You sound like Coach talking about someone when he has no idea what he is talking about.



I'm saying that the Steelers have yet to assure me they can minimize anything at the LB position. Why didn't they do that with Jones? How about the many other LBs that didn't work out? Also this is a board for talking about Steeler football. My evaluations have nothing to do with Colbert or anyone else. Are you saying your evaluation is better than all those teams that passed on Bush? Are you better than they are? See how stupid that sounds?

No I've read most of your whiny posts, especially draft day, and this was the only game you continually referenced and pointed too, but nice try I already pegged the coach on you, looks pretty bad you trying to volley that back at me

 

[Vader]

No I've read most of your whiny posts, especially draft day, and this was the only game you continually referenced and pointed too, but nice try I already pegged the coach on you, looks pretty bad you trying to volley that back at me

I volleyed it back to you because it fit. You can be a blinded homer all you want. I pointed out that game and the MSU game because they played a horrible schedule and only played a couple of average teams. So I did reference more than one game. Too bad you either can't count or you're a liar... not sure which yet. Go put your black and gold glasses on and click you heels little lady. I'm sure most homers on here agree with every single draft pick. I'm sure you loved Jones as well even though I didn't and said so.. But like always only the homers get to say "I told you so". If they suck then it's crickets and everybody hated the pick.