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Who in your opinion is the most overrated player in the NFL?

This is sooooo tough and soooo subjective.
For all those saying about winning, I guess Marino and Kelly both suck and are overrated.
I’ll agree with Coward Newton and Matty Ice.
But the Rodgers and Luck mentions? A lot of that has to do with personnel and the teams around them.
Remember when we had great teams that were missing some pieces? A QB? A RB? WRs? Any semblance of a secondary?
I’ve never believed in giving sole credit or blame to the QB. It’s as biased as the skirt rule on QB and how they’re more special than other players.
Rodgers and Luck would be David Carr if they played under Arians with us. But now? Under Haley? They’d have the same success as Ben and there’s probably 25 teams that would trade their current QB for them. Rivers is also a victim of circumstances. One player can only do so much, regardless of position. Hell, Elway didn’t win until he got a decent run game.


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I have said to my son for years this guy is not gonna take you to the promised land....

Matt Stafford ..... has won nothing.
 
I agree with Rodgers. He's talked about as one of the greatest ever. He's very talented but he still plays like Ben did 8 years ago. He's always holding the ball and scrambling and looking to make plays. He gets all the credit for the 4 or 5 incredible throws he makes per game that beats great coverage.

What gets ignored is how many plays he doesn't make because he was looking for that big play.

Part of why he's overrated is because defensive players and coaches sing his praises. It's the same with Mike Vick who is probably the most overrated player of all time.

Defensive guys tend to remember all the plays they watch on film where they had the right call and good coverage and still get beat. It's why defensive coaches always seem to want a running QB.
 
I've always felt Cam Newton was way over-rated. He's done nothing in this league yet so many think he's one of the best. I wouldn't want him if I were starting a team.

And, in his own mind, Colin Kaperdork, thinks he's a starter in this league. And, apparently, some out there think he should still be a starter in the league when he is no better than a bench warmer. So glad he is out of the league and I hope he stays there.
 
TDX27 said:
And, in his own mind, Colin Kaperdork, thinks he's a starter in this league. And, apparently, some out there think he should still be a starter in the league when he is no better than a bench warmer. So glad he is out of the league and I hope he stays there.
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People ( Main Stream Media and Social Justice Warriors mainly ) always forget he was benched BEFORE he started kneeling.
Meaning, the defensive minds of the league figured him out as they had a full year of tape on him.
So now in his head he was blackballed from a starter's position and playing in the NFL because of his protesting.
When in reality, he was already exposed and teams know that he's not of starting caliber.
 
To me overrated has nothing to do with the overall team. So players like Matt Ryan and Stafford are not overrated IMHO. They are solid QBs that nobody talks about as the best in the game.

To me I think it is Cam Newton. He was mentioned as possibly one of the best in the league and just doesn't have it. Some of his reads are just horrible. He still doesn't have the right mechanics and throws off his back foot all the time. He's been in the league long enough to develop. But in 8 years his comp. % is under 60 and his best year is still his first year.
 
Tried to think of a non QB and I'd go with Josh Norman. Had 1 good season and got paid like he is a lockdown corner.

Flacco used to be the most overrated, now he's on the level he should be as a backup.
 
Vader said:
To me I think it is Cam Newton. He was mentioned as possibly one of the best in the league and just doesn't have it. Some of his reads are just horrible. He still doesn't have the right mechanics and throws off his back foot all the time. He's been in the league long enough to develop. But in 8 years his comp. % is under 60 and his best year is still his first year.
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This. And great point about not developing his mechanics or reads. He's too arrogant to think he needs work.
 
Julio Jones. Yes, he's a great physical specimen and he has good stats, but he tends to put up those big stats in just a few games and he disappears for long stretches. It's also not a fluke that he has so few TDs.

He's good and he's a weapon, but he gets talked about as the best WR in the league and I can't rate a guy that high that disappears so often.
 
Wait for the season to be over. You’ll see how over rated Me’von Bell was.


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MTC said:
Gotta go Dak or Matt Ryan current.

Nfl past? Ray Lewis.
Top of the pile stats. Rumor has it, he’s still getting credit for sacks
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Why do you think Suggs finally left that **** hole organization............... After all these years his lifetime tackles number was 11, that includes assists / sacks / and the two he got credit for due to poor penmanship. Rayray the tackle machine..






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tapeANaspirin2it said:
Julio Jones. Yes, he's a great physical specimen and he has good stats, but he tends to put up those big stats in just a few games and he disappears for long stretches. It's also not a fluke that he has so few TDs.

He's good and he's a weapon, but he gets talked about as the best WR in the league and I can't rate a guy that high that disappears so often.
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Multiple people are saying Ryan is overrated so if that's true then Julio shouldn't be considering he's the only one in the league to put up numbers that rival AB with a lesser QB.

He disappears sometimes because he has Ryan at QB and the Falcons have no other WRs or TEs.

Since 2013, he's been top 3 in the league in receiving yards every season... consistently swapping 1st or 2nd with AB.

Who would you put ahead of him?
 
I don't understand the Ryan being overrated debate. The guy has almost identical stats to Ben. He's played in 4 less seasons but his averages are almost the same. He has a better comp% and passer rating. His per game averages are: Yards 260 to 268, Td 1.7 for both, Int. .8 for Ryan .9 for Ben. The only difference is Ben has been sacked almost 200 times more. And if you just look at the playoffs Ryan is much better than Ben with a TD ratio of 2.0 to Ben's 1.4. and the Int. ratio of .7 to Ben's 1.4. Even the yards per attempt are close with Ben at 7.8 and Ryan at 7.5.

I'm not saying he is great but the stats don't lie. Plus Ryan has played with some horrible teams. Last year they went 7-9. But Ryan had a 69.4 Comp% with 35 Tds and 7 ints. And before anyway ******* that he only threw short passes, his YPA was 8.1. I'd love to hear an argument that this guy is overrated using some type of measure that can be seen.
 
Vader said:
I don't understand the Ryan being overrated debate. The guy has almost identical stats to Ben. He's played in 4 less seasons but his averages are almost the same. He has a better comp% and passer rating. His per game averages are: Yards 260 to 268, Td 1.7 for both, Int. .8 for Ryan .9 for Ben. The only difference is Ben has been sacked almost 200 times more. And if you just look at the playoffs Ryan is much better than Ben with a TD ratio of 2.0 to Ben's 1.4. and the Int. ratio of .7 to Ben's 1.4. Even the yards per attempt are close with Ben at 7.8 and Ryan at 7.5.

I'm not saying he is great but the stats don't lie. Plus Ryan has played with some horrible teams. Last year they went 7-9. But Ryan had a 69.4 Comp% with 35 Tds and 7 ints. And before anyway ******* that he only threw short passes, his YPA was 8.1. I'd love to hear an argument that this guy is overrated using some type of measure that can be seen.
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I think the big thing with Matt Ryan was the nickname "Matty Ice" and him ******** the bed in the playoffs, but that was several years ago and he's shown since that he can, well, not **** the bed.

If we're talkin truly overrated players, I'm still going with Cam Newton.
 
Bell, hands down

Product of playing behind a great line (see Connor, hell even J Sam go his first ever 100 yard game at any level behind those horses0


We will see how far his reality check bounces this year.
 
nitsuj1225 said:
Multiple people are saying Ryan is overrated so if that's true then Julio shouldn't be considering he's the only one in the league to put up numbers that rival AB with a lesser QB.

He disappears sometimes because he has Ryan at QB and the Falcons have no other WRs or TEs.

Since 2013, he's been top 3 in the league in receiving yards every season... consistently swapping 1st or 2nd with AB.

Who would you put ahead of him?
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I don't think Ryan is overrated. I'd say he underrated. The falcons have mostly been a run and play action offense. Ryan has been very effective in that type of offense. People say he's underrated because he's not a top fantasy QB. As Vader mentioned, he has similar number to Ben who has only gone bombs away in the last few seasons and put up big stats.

Ryan won MVP in 2016 when they went to the Super Bowl and it sure wasn't his fault they lost that. In that season, Ryan threw 38 TDs and Julio only had 6 of them. Taylor Gabriel had 6 that year.

It's just a red flag to me that Ryan seems to connect on TDs to a bunch of other guys an near the same rate as the supposed best WR in the NFL. Julio just isn't that great in the redzone.

Julio has only had double digits TD once in his career. Roddy White did that twice with Matt Ryan. He does put up big yardage but that yardage often comes in big chunks then he's quite for a few games.

Look at last year, Jones had monster games in yards with 169, 173, 147, and 144. He also had games of 64, 62, 18, and 28 yards. Baltimore held him to 18 yards on 2 receptions. He had 8 targets in that game.

Games like that happen way too often for Julio. For a HOF guy, games like that should only happen when they win by 30 so they ran the ball a bunch to run out the clock.

Julio has only been first team All Pro twice. AB has done that 4 times.

I'd rather have these guys over Jones
AB
Deandre Hopkins
Michael Thomas
AJ Green
Mike Evans
JuJu
Beckham

He's obviously very good and will likely be a HOF someday but he gets too much hype for what he actually delivers. If his career does continue on the same statistical path then I actually don't think he should be HOF. He's just not consistent enough.
 
Juju over Julio? Come on. I love Juju but that's some homer talk right there.

And AJ Green? He was injured most of last season so I'll give him a pass but in 2017 he had games of 6, 17, 27, 30 and 41 yards. Talk about overrated and disappearing for games.

Even AB who I agree is a better player than Julio had 42 yards vs Baltimore last season...35 against the mighty Raiders.

Hopkins had games of 35, 46, 50, and 56 yards last season.

Evans had 1 catch for 16 yards against Carolina. Had 4 others under 60 yards last season.

I mean are your expectations 100+ yards every game? Every WR not named Jerry Rice would be considered overrated then.
 
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