Post combine and diva mock draft

[slashsteel]

I like this overall, but not one but TWO drafted kickers? I can't say I even like one FG or P drafted, unless they are really special. With all our needs, I think we need to stick to drafting real players. We honestly have needs at:

1.) ILB.
2.) CB.
3.) Safety (but team won't admit it)
4.) WR.
5.) RT
6.) DL
7.) RB
8.) TE

Dang, that's a lot.

Ton of S's will be available. I think you can a free agent on the fairly cheap and upgrade Burnett.

 

[Steeltime]

I like this overall, but not one but TWO drafted kickers? I can't say I even like one FG or P drafted, unless they are really special. With all our needs, I think we need to stick to drafting real players. We honestly have needs at:

1.) ILB.
2.) CB.
3.) Safety (but team won't admit it)
4.) WR.
5.) RT
6.) DL
7.) RB
8.) TE

Dang, that's a lot.

RT looks good - Chuks Okorafor looked pretty damn good as a rookie, and Matt Feiler started 10 games there last season and did just fine, thank you.

RB also looks good, but depth is needed. Conner is a legit #1 RB, and Samuels looked more than adequate as a rookie playing just RB for the first time in his adult life: 256 yds. rushing, 4.6 yards per attempt, 26 receptions, 3 receiving TD's. A 3rd RB is needed but a FA or 5th round pick (like Samuels) can fill that role.

The bigger concerns, as you have noted, are ILB, CB, WR. Sure as hell wish the Steelers had received a 1 or 2 from Oakland, since they would be in a position to grab 3 top-60 prospects to fill those areas.

 

[FordFairLane]

RD1- Greedy Williams CB LSU
Joe Haden is in the last year of his contract and Artie Burns hasn’t really panned out. This gives the Steelers a legitimate guy across from Haden and Insurance if we can’t resign him next year.

(Devin Bush is a strong possibility here. If we go Bush here I’ll change a pick down the road to show the difference)

RD2- Malcolm Butler WR Iowa St
6-5 230lbs with banana hands and a sub 4.5 forty. Should have a good shot at being the X receiver.

RD3a- Zach Allen DL Boston College
Watching Allen reminds me a lot of a poor mans JJ Watt. High motor effort with long arms which he uses to bull rush or set the edge and play the run. Really not flashy but gets the job done.

RD3b- Bobby Okereke LB Stanford
Not going to get mistaken for Shazier but I see the ability to cover and he’s definitely shoot the gap and side to side backer.

(If we go Bush RD1 I go Justin Layne or Isaiah Johnson here)

RD4- Darius Slayton WR Auburn
One of my favorite sleepers in this draft. I know I just went WR but with Brown traded and Hunter, Rogers and DHB free agents the Steelers literally have JuJu, Washington and Switzer on contract. I believe we resign Rogers but still have a few holes to fill. Slayton is sneaky fast, runs better routes than I expected and is a natural hand catcher. Route tree is not great but the ability is definitely there.

RD5- Maxx Crosby OLB Eastern Michigan
Dupree is in the final year of his contract and has never lived up to hype. Crosby has a ton of stats and checks all the boxes athletically but the level of competition is the question mark.

RD6a- Mitch Wishnowsky P Utah
Steelers didn’t render Berry so this is definitely a need. Get the best punter in the draft.

RD6b- Matt Gay K Utah
I’d honestly take both the Utah special teams players. Boz really needs competition this year and I would hope this either gets him kicking better or we get a replacement.

RD7- Sean Bunting CB Central Michigan
One of my favorite small school prospects. Very aggressive CB with loose hips, quick twitch and good hands.


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[Coach]

Let's play a game, Cooch.

Who's The Better Prospect
CB 1 ( sounds like Burns )
4.46 40
grabs a lot
checked in at 6'0"
Has soft hands
Baits the QB into making throws

CB2 ( sounds like Peters )
4.57 40
Struggles to support the run
Under 6'0"
Loses the ball sometimes
Gambles a lot

CB3
4.52 40
Under 6'0"
can be grabby

Just to remind you Superwoman,




I liked Marcus Peters a lot Said so here. Mocked him in round 1!




I wanted X Howard over Burns. Said so in this forum. Called Burns a risky pick. Would have drafted Howard and taken the trade down, using the 3rd on Simmions who is a solid safety.




So that is two pro bowl players I wanted, one we could have drafted for sure without a trade. Now, what silly questions might you have after that? You can applaud me being correct again much to your chagrin later.




There is more than just numbers. Under 6 feet doesn't tell me much. How short? How short arms? Competition played and film ( football awareness and IQ ) matter too.

 

[slashsteel]

Just to remind you Superwoman,




I liked Marcus Peters a lot Said so here. Mocked him in round 1!




I wanted X Howard over Burns. Said so in this forum. Called Burns a risky pick. Would have drafted Howard and taken the trade down, using the 3rd on Simmions who is a solid safety.




So that is two pro bowl players I wanted, one we could have drafted for sure without a trade. Now, what silly questions might you have after that? You can applaud me being correct again much to your chagrin later.




There is more than just numbers. Under 6 feet doesn't tell me much. How short? How short arms? Competition played and film ( football awareness and IQ ) matter too.

Man just pick an option and stop being so difficult.

 

[Coach]

Jarvis Jones had a **** ton of awesome highlights.
If we were picking guys who could make highlights, Jarvis would be enshrined in Canton by now.

the more I read about Baker and Williams, the more Baker is like Haden and Williams is like Jimmy Smith of the Ravens.

Huh? I though Jones fell into lots of sacks by being in the area. I noted he hardly soled any of them, meaning beating the tackle himself and sacking the QB without the QB running his way.

Jones sucked. I panned the pick. I think many did.

 

[Coach]

Man just pick an option and stop being so difficult.

Didn't you see what I did to his post and the two pro bowl players I would have taken? I also asked for more information. Half the numbers don't tell the story. Give me complete height, arm length, 20 yard shuttle times, 10 yard splits, conference played, stats, etc.... That and some video would help as I use all to make my own picks.

Superman's lame point is the taller faster man isn't always better. Who can't see that! . His gotcha needs a lot of work. But taller ( 6'2 " ) with world class speed ( sub 4.4 ), and ball skills ( 8 pick in two years played ), battle tested in the SEC, I'll roll the dice with that! Sounds a lot like Greedy Williams Check him out for yourself.

Who's The Better Prospect
CB 1 ( sounds like Burns )
4.46 40
grabs a lot
checked in at 6'0"
Has soft hands
Baits the QB into making throws

CB2 ( sounds like Peters )
4.57 40
Struggles to support the run
Under 6'0"
Loses the ball sometimes
Gambles a lot

CB3
4.52 40
Under 6'0"
can be grabby

 

[Coach]

I like this overall, but not one but TWO drafted kickers? I can't say I even like one FG or P drafted, unless they are really special. With all our needs, I think we need to stick to drafting real players. We honestly have needs at:

1.) ILB.
2.) CB.
3.) Safety (but team won't admit it)
4.) WR.
5.) RT
6.) DL
7.) RB
8.) TE

Dang, that's a lot.

Thanks Jimmy. One thing to ponder. Picking a corner in round two ( later in the round ) in the draft means the top 6-7 guys will likely be gone, and this is not a good CB class. If you want a starter, I think it has to be in round one. Round two, and you'll get a guy likely smaller and slower. Or a smaller school guy with some upside.

Boswell can not be counted on. Berry is a bottom third type of punter. Both can be replaced with a draft pick. Here's the thing, with 10 draft picks, making it in round six will be tough at almost every posiiton, unless he's a kicker or punter..or heaven forbid a long snapper, as there is only 1 man per spot on the roster.

 

[Superman]

so the arrogant douche can't pick an option

also, after Burns' first season, COOCH, you said Colbert did his homework or some **** like that.

In fact, you pompous ***:

Rookie of the year. Burns. Burns play has given the Steelers a big corner who can run and make plays on the ball, offering the team flexibility to deploy Gay to the slot. 3 interceptions and 12 passes defended is a good year for any corner. Burns did that as a rookie.

and
http://www.steelernationforums.com/...draft-sim&p=471022&highlight=Burns#post471022

For those picking a CB in rounds 1-4, I must ask why.

Burns and Haden are two good starters. Hilton was excellent as the 3rd option / slot and rookie Sutton showed signs he could be a steal in round 3. We've got 4 guys who can play.

Where the heck is a rookie going to play here? Its not a need in my opinion. I say TE, ILB, OLB, or S before CB.

) Artie Burns - A solid starter

Summary: Outside of Burns, this draft was not a good one

http://www.steelernationforums.com/showthread.php?18315-TJ-Watt&p=455630&highlight=Burns#post455630

Artie Burns - Good pick, he can play,

and a slew of others.

make up your ******* mind

 

[Coach]

so the arrogant douche can't pick an option

also, after Burns' first season, COOCH, you said Colbert did his homework or some **** like that.

In fact, you pompous ***:



and
http://www.steelernationforums.com/...draft-sim&p=471022&highlight=Burns#post471022







http://www.steelernationforums.com/showthread.php?18315-TJ-Watt&p=455630&highlight=Burns#post455630


and a slew of others.

make up your ******* mind

Loser, I told you who I would have picked, and they are better players. For a year Burns was decent, then he fell apart. Where were you when some posters attacked my observation on the holes in his game?

Hilton is good. Haden Very good. Sutton okay as a back up.

I'll stand on what I said in the time I said it. Playing DB for the Steelers with our pass rush should be easier than playing DB on most teams.

2016:

Artie Burns - Good pick, he can play, but better than X. Howard plus the draft picks via trade down?
Sean Davis - More of a 3rd safety who starts and gives up way too much.
Javon Hargrave - Doesn't play the majority of snaps, a good role player, more of a 3 technique DT, not a pure NT
Jerald Hawkins - Hardly dresses for games
Tyler Matakevich - A back up. The 43-53rd man on the roster. Decent on Special teams

2017:

TJ Watt - One of the best rookies in the NFL!
JuJu Smith-Schuster - Has a real future, perhaps as a pro bowl player
Cam Sutton - A good looking nickel and dime DB.
James Conner - Injury prone, but he can play


2017 > 2016.

^^^ Outride of Burns falling down, I think the other descriptions are good by me. Looking back in hindsight, I nailed most of those names.

Now read this, I DID NOT WANT BURNS. I WANTED HOWARD. WHO WAS CORRECT? I LIKED PETERS. HOW DID HE TURN OUT? YOU HELP ME MAKE MY POINTS, KEEP POSTING!

I invite you to say who you would have drafted the day after the draft. I do every year. Then we can benchmark what you think vs. the Steelers and myself. I think your too chicken little to do it, and if you try will come in 3rd place. Are we on superman?

One last comment, needs can change quickly. 2016 was 2016. 2019 players age and young guys either solidify or fall apart.

 

[bermudasteel]

You are missing my point. Yes, you can see all players a game, but if you're doing a full evaluation on a player, you watch him 1st and the game 2nd. DO we agree? I'll chat with you are you are better / seem to know more than most of the poster here.


I'm watching passes away from Williams, with the camera showing him on the side of the field him and he's and he looks solid in coverage. I love the fact he doesn't offer much of a cushion. He looks good in man or zone to me. Run defense, not so much.


Did you see the data I just posted on his lower completion per target?! Your reaction to that is what? I want to read your reply here.


No way is this man Artie Burns! That's a terrible comment. . Burns was lost in coverage and used his size and strength to make it happen for him. Williams is on his man and QB's have a tough time completing a pass against him. I suspect teams threw away from this sophomore by design. I'd love to see his target stats per season vs. the average SEC corner. I bet they are lower.


I do agree with you on Murphy no being worth our first round pick. He's a little slow, rail thin, and let's face it the Pac 10 is not close to the SEC.


I think Murphy can be a solid #2 corner, ideally picked in round two and teams would need to be careful not matching him with a speed WR or a physical WR.

You have to watch the game more than once to really get the analysis you're eluding to - BUT...

Because I watch these kids play week in and week out and I subscribe to the SEC Channel - I can record the games and go back and 'watch' the guys I'm interested. This is not rocket science and my posts are in line with everyone who's tried to enlighten you on some of the crap you throw at a wall and expect it to stick.

My comparison of Artie Burns to Greedy Williams is based on their COLLEGIATE statement of work - not Artie's NFL career. Go back and see for yourself.

I guess now that I'm 47 - I see things a bit more clearly and the good Samaritan in me is tired of seeing you get your head bashed in every time you throw out a speculative statement.
















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#Iobviouslydidn'tdrinkenoughbeforeItypedthis

 

[BLITZ]

Your score is: 30710 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20: Murphy, Byron, CB, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Edwards, TJ, ILB, Wisconsin (A)
Round 3 Pick 2: Hockenson, T.J., TE, Iowa (A)
Round 3 Pick 19: Lamar, Tre, ILB, Clemson (A)
Round 4 Pick 20: Weber, Mike, RB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 3: Bates, Ryan, OT, Penn State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Humphrey, Lil'Jordan, WR, Texas (A+)
Round 6 Pick 2: Johnson, PJ, DT, Arizona (A+)
Round 6 Pick 19: Bunting, Sean, CB, Central Michigan (A+)
Round 7 Pick 5: Powers, Ben, OG, Oklahoma (A+)

 

[Ike Kelly]

.....Half the numbers don't tell the story. Give me complete height, arm length, 20 yard shuttle times, 10 yard splits, conference played, stats, etc.... That and some video would help as I use all to make my own picks.

Superman's lame point is the taller faster man isn't always better. Who can't see that! . His gotcha needs a lot of work. But taller ( 6'2 " ) with world class speed ( sub 4.4 ), and ball skills ( 8 pick in two years played ), battle tested in the SEC, I'll roll the dice with that! Sounds a lot like Greedy Williams Check him out for yourself.....

So tell us Dumb ***, you say give you complete data....like 20 yd shuttle and 10 yd splits.......yet Williams didn’t perform those drills at the combine. So there is none, only his 40 time. How are you using missing data on Williams, while having the data on the others, and still rating him higher? Just more BS for the compost.

He sat out after the first series of back pedal to cross hips drills. Plus the DB analyst (Sanders) expressed his significant disappointment in technique with that drill. It was speculated that his agent told him to not participate in any more drills because of it, and complain of cramps. Which is what happened. So you can’t say anything about his combine on field drills until his pro day....that is if he plans to participate.



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[Superman]

Cooch, again, no one gives a single **** about whom you would have drafted. No one. Not even your mother. Yet you keep bringing it up. Which is why we go back and point at your admission that you're a pompous windbag without substance. You flip and flop more than a fish out of water. "I wanted x howard, but burns can play, but x howard is this, burns is that"

seriously. **** off with that. no one cares to day dream about what would or could have been. Sure, Howard had a better year last year than Burns, but who's to say Howard doesn't bust going forward and Burns finally gets it? After their first season, even YOU were saying Burns was a quality pick. In fact, you were lamenting even picking another CB in the next draft. No one, that I recall, was happy with the Burns pick.

And every year at draft time you pop a chub over 40-times. Like with Greedy Williams. Despite the opinions of guys who have watched him play and say Baker is the better CB. Which is why I posted those times earlier. You've still not picked an option you'd have chosen. Because you can't without someone else telling you your opinion. You're incapable of watching and developing your own opinion, so you scavenge off guys who have put their opinions out there.

You're a ******* joke.

 

[ark steel]

plus the draft picks via trade down

The made up picks via the made up trade down and assuming X was still there?

 

[Coach]

Cooch, again, no one gives a single **** about whom you would have drafted. No one. Not even your mother. Yet you keep bringing it up. Which is why we go back and point at your admission that you're a pompous windbag without substance. You flip and flop more than a fish out of water. "I wanted x howard, but burns can play, but x howard is this, burns is that"

seriously. **** off with that. no one cares to day dream about what would or could have been. Sure, Howard had a better year last year than Burns, but who's to say Howard doesn't bust going forward and Burns finally gets it? After their first season, even YOU were saying Burns was a quality pick. In fact, you were lamenting even picking another CB in the next draft. No one, that I recall, was happy with the Burns pick.

And every year at draft time you pop a chub over 40-times. Like with Greedy Williams. Despite the opinions of guys who have watched him play and say Baker is the better CB. Which is why I posted those times earlier. You've still not picked an option you'd have chosen. Because you can't without someone else telling you your opinion. You're incapable of watching and developing your own opinion, so you scavenge off guys who have put their opinions out there.

You're a ******* joke.

You are the king of stupid around here. And I love to rub in your face on how often I'm correct. I saw your lame game, and as I said there is more to picking players with limited combine data.

I'd be happy with either Baker or Williams, but I think Willams has better NFL skills and upside.

 

[ark steel]

You are the king of stupid around here.

Well, you got sumpin right.