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This article could have been a LOT longer.

Steelers need to slam the door on players talking their way out of town
Mike Florio
ProFootball Talk on NBC SportsMarch 10, 2019, 7:01 PM GMT

Antonio Brown isn’t the first guy to finagle a path out of Pittsburgh in recent years, but he needs to be the last.

It’s now obvious that the Steelers lost this one, badly. For all the bluster about insisting on “significant compensation” for Brown and not rushing to trade him before a $2.5 million roster bonus comes due on March 17, the Steelers ultimately took the best deal they could get: A third-round pick and a fifth-round pick.

Given that they got a third-round pick a year ago for receiver Martavis Bryant, they should have gotten far more than a three and a five for one of the best receivers in the league. And they didn’t, not just because Brown wanted to go but because the Steelers decided that they needed to him to leave. And they needed him to leave because they allowed him to morph into a guy who became a problem that only could be solved with a one-way ticket out of town.

In 2010, Brown arrived as a sixth-round pick from Central Michigan. During Super Bowl week, I asked Cameron Heyward — a first-rounder in 2011 who had much better cause to act like a diva — how Brown became bigger than the team. “I don’t know how it happened,” Heyward said.

It happened because management allowed it to happen, rewarding Brown financially in 2012, 2015, 2016, and 2017 while plenty of the things that came to light in recent years surely were going on, from tardiness to setting up his own off-campus residence during training camp. His last payday, which began with a $19 million signing bonus and continued with a 2018 restructuring bonus of nearly $13 million, came only weeks after he opted to launch a Facebook Live stream from the locker room after a playoff win (capturing among other things coach Mike Tomlin referring to the Patriots as “********“), and after reports emerged of Brown pouting because he wasn’t getting the ball as much as he wanted it during the AFC title game.

They can’t be surprised that Brown felt like the contract he received two years ago vindicated his antics. And they also can’t be surprised that players like Brown would think that misbehavior has its rewards. In 2014 (as Andrew Fillipponi reminded me during a Friday visit to his 93.7 The Fan afternoon-drive show), running back LeGarrette Blount seemed to orchestrate his release from the Steelers, so that he could return to the Patriots — something he didn’t deny when asked about it during the week preceding Super Bowl XLIX. Linebacker James Harrison reportedly slept his way out of Pittsburgh in 2017.

Ultimately, this kind of stuff flows right back to Tomlin, who seat surely has gotten a lot hotter now that his mismanagement of Brown will result in the Steelers enduring a public humiliation, along with the loss of a highly talented player. But it also flows up the chain of command to ownership, which seems to have allowed the three-coaches-in-50-years thing to become so much of the franchise’s identity that Tomlin has never had to fear the ultimate consequence for failing to get the most out of one of the most talented teams in football.

Moving forward, things must change. Who knows how many more Lombardi Trophies the Steelers would have won if true accountability had resided in that locker room over the last five years? Instead, the team that has become the embodiment of football accountability has now caught the Steelers with six Super Bowl wins, and that Patriots seem to be much better suited than the Steelers to be the first to No. 7.

So friggin' done with the current leadership we have.
 
When ******* Whorio is exactly correct, we have truly gone past the line of incompetence.

Where are the professionals in ownership and management?

Blount, Bell and now Brown have street smarts that easily flummoxed the Steeler brass.

Need a HoF leader ...... not Art, not Tombert.

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When ******* Whorio is exactly correct, we have truly gone past the line of incompetence.

Where are the professionals in ownership and management?

Blount, Bell and now Brown have street smarts that easily flummoxed the Steeler brass.

Need a HoF leader ...... not Art, not Tombert.

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You forgot Harrison. That's four out of the last five years that someone has bitched and moaned their way into getting what they want and getting out of town while the Steelers got **** in return except a 21 million dollar cap hit. My team is a laughing stock right now and I can't ******* stand it!

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Maybe we could hire Greg Lloyd and James Harrison as the disciplinarian coaches on the payroll who issue out fines and call troubled players in the deepest parts of the locker room for " talks ". See how it goes.


I realize such players are public enemy #1 in the modern NFL, but I can see a role for them. No, I'm not being serious, but the Steelers culture needs to change and its clear the Tomlin doesn't not have it in him.

Jimmy Johnson sill helps active coaches out. I would not mind hiring him as a consultant.
 
Tomlin should have been dismissed after the Jacksonville playoff loss. Brown should have never been given the last extension in 2017. Bell should have been traded the first time they slapped the franchise tag on him. He signed that one and could have been moved. These two guys are not typical Steelers and we could never win with them because they are selfish individuals. It only about their money, stats and brand. Both should have been moved long ago.
And Tomlin, is just a figurehead for minority coaches in the NFL. That’s all he is and ever will be. That’s why he was hired in the first place. He’s horrible at everything he does and it’s time the team stops making excuses and trying to protect him.

Colbert is just glad to be there. He tries to act like he’s got control but he makes himself look foolish. He’s weak like Art II and both were made to look like fools by Brown and his agent plus they got jobbed by Gruden and Maycock.
I think bad times are looming for our team and don’t see any remedies since you have three egos in Artie,Colbert and Tomlin who all think they’re correct and their way is the only way.



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Tomlin should have been dismissed after the Jacksonville playoff loss. Brown should have never been given the last extension in 2017. Bell should have been traded the first time they slapped the franchise tag on him. He signed that one and could have been moved. These two guys are not typical Steelers and we could never win with them because they are selfish individuals. It only about their money, stats and brand. Both should have been moved long ago.
And Tomlin, is just a figurehead for minority coaches in the NFL. That’s all he is and ever will be. That’s why he was hired in the first place. He’s horrible at everything he does and it’s time the team stops making excuses and trying to protect him.

Colbert is just glad to be there. He tries to act like he’s got control but he makes himself look foolish. He’s weak like Art II and both were made to look like fools by Brown and his agent plus they got jobbed by Gruden and Maycock.
I think bad times are looming for our team and don’t see any remedies since you have three egos in Artie,Colbert and Tomlin who all think they’re correct and their way is the only way.



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JuJu has been working on his brand in his first 2 seasons. I guess we will see if our coaches and management has learned anything. I won't hold my breathe.
 
There is a real possibility that if this discipline that everyone wanted for Brown would have happened, this mess would have occurred a lot sooner than it did. I just disagree with the contention that disciplining him would have automatically made him fall in line. I just don't know. I think Tomlin did what he had to do to keep a lid on it for the last 9 years and keep them in contention most of the time. Like it or not, I think that is closer to the truth.
 
For those of you calling for Art Duece, guess what,....... he is the owner and the one who chooses who to hold accountable. Is he weak.... possibly but none of us here know what the BIG true picture is. We can voice our concerns and opinions but highly doubt that matters in the grand scheme of things.

Does the Rooney rule play into why Tomlin is here and kept........ you bet it does as the Rooney’s are the author of said rule. Personally I could care less what color your skin is but I do care about accountability. In many eyes here he hasn’t been held accountable and recent “come to lite” incidents have proven that.

Red, Blue, green, black, white doesn’t matter but if one is being favored because of the skin, then there are odds that the best candidate isn’t at the job. None here can change that but Art Duece and until he does something we as fans need to accept what we have. Freedom to chose is one ay to change things so if you chose to quit, watching / spending / investing / etc. hat is your choic but the money is the ONLY thing owners seem to understand.

I purchased a JuJu Jersey for a Xmas present for my self last year and dont normally spend money on the nfl. I realize one man’s spending is less than a molecule in the grand scheme but I still chose to not spend. I chose to watch and keep up on my belov d Steelers and will continue so as it’s hard to give up on a life time addiction. Yes, addiction since 1968.




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Tomlin should have been dismissed after the Jacksonville playoff loss. Brown should have never been given the last extension in 2017. Bell should have been traded the first time they slapped the franchise tag on him. He signed that one and could have been moved. These two guys are not typical Steelers and we could never win with them because they are selfish individuals. It only about their money, stats and brand. Both should have been moved long ago.
And Tomlin, is just a figurehead for minority coaches in the NFL. That’s all he is and ever will be. That’s why he was hired in the first place. He’s horrible at everything he does and it’s time the team stops making excuses and trying to protect him.

Colbert is just glad to be there. He tries to act like he’s got control but he makes himself look foolish. He’s weak like Art II and both were made to look like fools by Brown and his agent plus they got jobbed by Gruden and Maycock.
I think bad times are looming for our team and don’t see any remedies since you have three egos in Artie,Colbert and Tomlin who all think they’re correct and their way is the only way.



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Good post.

Tomlin is pretty much useless. He's hyped as this great leader, yet his teams constantly play uninspired and underachieve. His background is in coaching DBs, yet the secondary has sucked for about six years now.

The media loves him because he is the quintessential successful black coach, but his track record since the last Super Bowl appearance 8 years ago is not that impressive at all, especially relative to the rosters he has had and largely squandered.

And the more recent trend from AFC title game, to divisional round to out of the playoffs is more than a little alarming.

I just do not think Art II places enough accountability on Tomlin and Colbert and they've become too complacent as a result.

I wonder how Art II would have handled the friction between Cowher and Donahoe in the late 1990s. Dan stepped in and put an end to it by kicking Donahoe to the curb.

Something tells me Art II would have let the dysfunction build until it completely blew up.
 
Something tells me Art II would have let the dysfunction build until it completely blew up.

If memory serves, Arty was the friction that sent Cowher out of town.

Ownership needs to jettison Arty and his stooges. Or, alternatively, sell the team. The 60s Steelers wouldn't play well in today's NFL.

Hire somebody with passion for Pittsburgh and rebuild. Obviously, Chin comes to mind but there might be others out there without a foot in the grave. Y'know who might be a good candidate at some point - Big Al. Proven leader. Businessman. Fears nothing. Is learning the game as a student of the game would learn it. Decent left tackle. Why not?
 
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Art II would have let the dysfunction build until it completely blew up.

He allowed the AB situation simmer until the lid blew off of it...that should answer that question
 
If memory serves, Arty was the friction that sent Cowher out of town.

Ownership needs to jettison Arty and his stooges. Or, alternatively, sell the team. The 60s Steelers wouldn't play well in today's NFL.

Hire somebody with passion for Pittsburgh and rebuild. Obviously, Chin comes to mind but there might be others out there without a foot in the grave. Y'know who might be a good candidate at some point - Big Al. Proven leader. Businessman. Fears nothing. Is learning the game as a student of the game would learn it. Decent left tackle. Why not?

It was kind of a well known secret according to beat writers that Cowher and Art II did not like each other, and it probably was not a coincidence that Cowher stepped aside right around the same time Dan did.

As I said in another thread, I do not think Art II is a terrible owner, but I just do not think he's close to the standard his father and grandfather set, and that will probably become more evident as time passes.
 
Rooney’s deserve better than this... first to hire African Americans in front office, drafted them from small black colleges when few other teams did, hired the first coordinators Lionel Taylor, tony dungy, pushed through the Rooney rule, start3d the first black qb Jefferson Street Joe Gillium who would have been first black qb to win Super Bowl if he didn’t have drug problem... hired mike Tomlin and have stuck by him and will continue to stick by him... what to they get in return???? Walked on ridiculed **** on... and no one in black communities or any players current or ex have come to their defense. I think except Larry fitzgerald kinda.. if that’s the way they want it then fine, shitcan the Rooney rule all the other nfl efforts to reach out to black communities and let the chips fall where they may and just play football. It all that matters is the money grabbing then *** it! T it up and shut up!
 
Rooney’s deserve better than this... first to hire African Americans in front office, drafted them from small black colleges when few other teams did, hired the first coordinators Lionel Taylor, tony dungy, pushed through the Rooney rule, start3d the first black qb Jefferson Street Joe Gillium who would have been first black qb to win Super Bowl if he didn’t have drug problem... hired mike Tomlin and have stuck by him and will continue to stick by him... what to they get in return???? Walked on ridiculed **** on... and no one in black communities or any players current or ex have come to their defense. I think except Larry fitzgerald kinda.. if that’s the way they want it then fine, shitcan the Rooney rule all the other nfl efforts to reach out to black communities and let the chips fall where they may and just play football. It all that matters is the money grabbing then *** it! T it up and shut up!
Are you suggesting that because of decades of being stewards of racial equality in the NFL, that Brown used that against the Steelers?

Would that not be on the ownership/leadership that they got ****** over and publicly humiliated by one if the players that they didn't treat equally?

That seems to be stupid, naive and ironic all at the same time.

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changes need to be made from top to bottom. We need stronger football minds, fresh perspective. A changing of the guards, so to speak. The minority owners need to be more vocal about pulling in the reigns of the once proud franchise and turning it around. How did this AB thing was so mishandled? They couldn't get better than a third for him? That's unaccetable. Players+social media are making them look foolish. They are being played like chumps and letting the sideshow happen. There is no iron fist in that FO anymore. It's great that the Rooney's treat players like family and they should, but what has worked 10, 20 and 30 years ago doesn't work now. I don''t know if they are in-touch with players of today and how to handle them.
They are going to coddle JuJu and make him the next big star on the team and I could see him going down the same disruptive path. Hope I'm wrong.
 
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