Colbert ok with Big Ben calling out players on the radio.

[Bigappleyinzer]

I strongly disagree. I think he struck the proper tone and compared to Ben the others are kids. Ben has made the mistakes and seemingly learned from them he has been to the mountain top twice he should be a vocal leader and sometimes critic. He should be the leader of this team and should demand some respect.

I don't disagree about him being a leader/critic etc. .

The issue is, should a radio station be the platform? Because it clearly is not working.

Just think of all the players who have openly questioned his leadership style in the past.

 

[Superman]

Based on Colbert's age, they are kids.

 

[Coryea]

I don't disagree about him being a leader/critic etc. .

The issue is, should a radio station be the platform? Because it clearly is not working.

Just think of all the players who have openly questioned his leadership style in the past.

The radio station isn't the platform, Ben talks privately to the players before he ever talks in the radio, he's said as much, Ed Bouchette has said this, Jim Colony has said this.
As for the radio show, who has he really called out?

As for past players, who, Ward who called Ben out on national TV for not playing through a concussion, Ryan Clark who also said AB was a problem, Emmanuel Sanders, who said Manning wouldn't do that, when Manning in fact has done that.

There's going to be guys on every team that don't get along that's a fact.

How about the guys that have supported Ben? Bettis, Batch, Holmes, Pouncey, Foster, Switzer.

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[Coryea]

I think Colbert was calling out the other guys in that locker room to step up be leaders as well that they can't expect Ben and only Ben to do it.

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[ZonaBurgh]

The Steelers used to be known as team that drafted for character, while I'm not sure that was the case all the time, that was the perception.

Is it the money that changes people, the social times we live in? We joke about becoming the Bengals and there may be some truth to that. I hope getting rid of the divas helps the locker room.

And I hope the FO pays more attention to character in the upcoming draft. Drafting players that first of all want to win, would be a good start.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I think Colbert was calling out the other guys in that locker room to step up be leaders as well that they can't expect Ben and only Ben to do it.

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I could see this.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

The radio station isn't the platform, Ben talks privately to the players before he ever talks in the radio, he's said as much, Ed Bouchette has said this, Jim Colony has said this.
As for the radio show, who has he really called out?

As for past players, who, Ward who called Ben out on national TV for not playing through a concussion, Ryan Clark who also said AB was a problem, Emmanuel Sanders, who said Manning wouldn't do that, when Manning in fact has done that.

There's going to be guys on every team that don't get along that's a fact.

How about the guys that have supported Ben? Bettis, Batch, Holmes, Pouncey, Foster, Switzer.

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One of these doesnt belong, haha

 

[oicu8ad]

The Steelers used to be known as team that drafted for character, while I'm not sure that was the case all the time, that was the perception.

Is it the money that changes people, the social times we live in? We joke about becoming the Bengals and there may be some truth to that. I hope getting rid of the divas helps the locker room.

And I hope the FO pays more attention to character in the upcoming draft. Drafting players that first of all want to win, would be a good start.

You know, I think we are on the cusp of a turnaround. We have (and are) getting rid of the rotten apples (Martavus, Bell, AB, to some degree Silverback) and HAVE been drafting for character. I think we are on the right track -- look no further than JuJu, James Washington, James Conner, JaySam, TJ Watt, Terrell Edmunds, Hargrave. Add them to the already group of high character vets (Heyward, Tuitt, DeCastro, Ben, Big Al) and that's a great group. Once the AB/Bell circus is gone, I think we have a great core group. We need to get a stud ILB, stud CB, and a replacement OLB for Bud and we'll be in the mix.

P.S. And I think James Washington is going to have a breakout year this season. You heard it here first.

 

[Coach]

You aren't too far off from what I am thinking. I would make that second screw up a one game suspension. The third I am quietly working the phones. As it is obvious the game off didn't send a clear enough message.

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I like it the way I have it, but I want to add something. If the player is a backup or nonessential starter, 2nd game is a fine and suspension like you said. If he's a star diva, a missed 1st quarter, and missed start would be my second step.


Colbert is wise to empower Ben. Lord knows Tomlin, whatever he's saying isn't working with some players in the locker room. Winning teams often have tenured quarterbacks who have earned special privileges when it comes to winning. Ben has two rings, and many years tenure. He's earned it.

Winning super bowl teams control their divas. Noll, Shula, Landry, Walsh, Johnson, and Hoodie. I'll add in Coughlin as well. I hope our next head coach is from their school of thought.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I like it the way I have it, but I want to add something. If the player is a backup or nonessential starter, 2nd game is a fine and suspension like you said. If he's a star diva, a missed 1st quarter, and missed start would be my second step.


Colbert is wise to empower Ben. Lord knows Tomlin, whatever he's saying isn't working with some players in the locker room. Winning teams often have tenured quarterbacks who have earned special privileges when it comes to winning. Ben has two rings, and many years tenure. He's earned it.

Winning super bowl teams control their divas. Noll, Shula, Landry, Walsh, Johnson, and Hoodie. I'll add in Coughlin as well. I hope our next head coach is from their school of thought.

Why?! Do you think Ben lacks confidence? Because his league leading ints tell me otherwise.

Basically Colbert just told everyone in the locker room that Ben can do as he pleases.

Which is a crazy things to suggest, considering his checkered past.

 

[Coryea]

Why?! Do you think Ben lacks confidence? Because his league leading ints tell me otherwise.

Basically Colbert just told everyone in the locker room that Ben can do as he pleases.

Which is a crazy things to suggest, considering his checkered past.

Wise, so some dipshit young wr doesn't act like an egotistical *** again maybe! Ben is about winning, that's it and that's what this team needs to get back to, just wanting guys that want to win!

The int thing isn't as bad as it looked, 3 @clev and 3@ Jax, so there's 6 and those didn't contribute to a loss, and there were a few INTs that were on AB for running the wrong route, and that comes from Bouchette and Batch.
So if AB caused 3 INTs, that leaves 7 ints over the other 14 games

Ben can do anything when it comes to leadership, is it crazier than allowing AB to stay in his own hotel or whatever off campus at Latrobe? Is it crazier than allowing ABs social media entourage follow him all over training camp, even where fans aren't allowed?


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[wig]

If the player is a backup or nonessential starter, 2nd game is a fine and suspension like you said. If he's a star diva, a missed 1st quarter, and missed start would be my second step.

I strongly disagree with this. Preferential treatment is largely what caused the problem with Brown in the first place.

Every guy on the roster is one or two injuries away from being the starter. The starter is one muscle pull away from being the #2 guy for a week or three. You treat them ALL exactly the same. That way every guy in the room is accountable at the same level.

 

[black and gold apex]

Ben was used as a scape goat and was nice to see Colbert stand up for Ben. What Ben said was the truth, no one else on this team seems to stand up and lead.

 

[Coach]

Why?! Do you think Ben lacks confidence? Because his league leading ints tell me otherwise.

Basically Colbert just told everyone in the locker room that Ben can do as he pleases.

Which is a crazy things to suggest, considering his checkered past.

No, Ben doesn't lack confidence. He lead the NFL in passing! If anything he has too much faith at times in his arm and force feeds Brown deep. Some of the interceptions are from WR's tipping the pass to a DB or running the wrong route. Ben will never be Brady, but he can create and buy second chances leading to big plays, and produce 4th quarter comebacks as good as anyone in the game today.


Colbert is very careful with words. He knows Tomlin cannot handle the problem internally, so he's giving Ben the green light to use his radio show if needed to help with diva-like problems.


Five years ago, Colbert would not say this! Ben is a competitive son of a gun and has matured. He's not the same guy who walked into a Georgia bar full of drunk sorority girls in the off season. That was years ago.

 

[FAB802]

I'm sorry, but nothing good comes out of Ben throwing teammates under the bus publicly. If he wants to get on them at practice or in the locker room? Fine. The rest is unnecessary, and if it's causing a divided locker room it has to stop. I know, new age players are soft. Well guess what? That **** isn't changing any time soon is it? It's ridiculous, all of it.

 

[Coach]

I strongly disagree with this. Preferential treatment is largely what caused the problem with Brown in the first place.

Every guy on the roster is one or two injuries away from being the starter. The starter is one muscle pull away from being the #2 guy for a week or three. You treat them ALL exactly the same. That way every guy in the room is accountable at the same level.

Wig,

" Most coaches tell you they treat every player the same -- and then they treat them differently. Not Jimmy Johnson. He told us how he treats us differently based on what we can do for the team and how we can help the Dallas Cowboys win games.


Then he put his hands above his head to show the guys at the top. These are the stars. Then he put his hands near his knee and said the guys down here are always getting cut or swapped out. Then he put his hand in the middle of his chest and said these guys are always going up or down. They never stay the same. They're either getting better or worse. "

I think veteran stars should get a little extra leeway, but once they cross the line and say things against the teams best interests, start with a fine, then a missed start and finally a missed game. If he's a backup, he'd better tow the line or his next jersey number on the team will be 86'd.


Brown has been acting up for a while. Tomlin was too late to stop him. Tomlin's problem is he keeps changing procedures. Whatever your rules as a coach you'd better stick to them if you want respect and accountability.


In Jimmy Johnson case, he told it like it was! In Tomlin case, he moves the lines to the point of being blurred, tempting the players to test them.

 

[Coach]

I'm sorry, but nothing good comes out of Ben throwing teammates under the bus publicly. If he wants to get on them at practice or in the locker room? Fine. The rest is unnecessary, and if it's causing a divided locker room it has to stop. I know, new age players are soft. Well guess what? That **** isn't changing any time soon is it? It's ridiculous, all of it.

1 ) What exactly has he said that was not known and true?


2 ) Was it factually incorrect?


I usually say don't throw anyone under the bus in public, but if private conversation fails, and the player is under focused / underachieving, its a last resort. Some guys do respond to public peer pressure.


You're right about millennials. I had to take an internal course on how to work with them which included stuff like giving them hugs and pats on the back for just doing their jobs, recommending they go home sick on a tough day, not talking about any movies as many view them as politically incorrect. What a bunch of P()ssie$

 

[MTC]

I'm sure you would agree that WASHINGTON did listen to BEN and has progressed advantageously. The ONLY one that I can tell who backlashed out was Mr. Big Checks and he needed it the most. BEN is an absolute leader and player and warrior (near warrior42 status) and MATURE MAN. I loved constructive criticism, especially when it came from equals, in all the sports I've excelled in over my life time, only a fool wouldn't.




Salute the nation

Just take the criticism with a grain of salt.



I wonder what actually goes on the locker room that has caused all this drama

 

[Ike Kelly]

Colbert is wise to empower Ben. Lord knows Tomlin, whatever he's saying isn't working with some players in the locker room. Winning teams often have tenured quarterbacks who have earned special privileges when it comes to winning. Ben has two rings, and many years tenure. He's earned it.

Winning super bowl teams control their divas. Noll, Shula, Landry, Walsh, Johnson, and Hoodie. I'll add in Coughlin as well. I hope our next head coach is from their school of thought.

Colbert is very careful with words. He knows Tomlin cannot handle the problem internally, so he's giving Ben the green light to use his radio show if needed to help with diva-like problems.

Five years ago, Colbert would not say this! Ben is a competitive son of a gun and has matured. He's not the same guy who walked into a Georgia bar full of drunk sorority girls in the off season. That was years ago.

Brown has been acting up for a while. Tomlin was too late to stop him. Tomlin's problem is he keeps changing procedures. Whatever your rules as a coach you'd better stick to them if you want respect and accountability.

In Jimmy Johnson case, he told it like it was! In Tomlin case, he moves the lines to the point of being blurred, tempting the players to test them.

It’s amazing how you have such assumptions as to what goes on in the locker room, but have never been in that locker room nor spoken to anyone who has been in the first person.

Your entire commentary is based on a narrative that you’ve gleaned from the media, not actual informed sources.


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[Coach]

It’s amazing how you have such assumptions as to what goes on in the locker room, but have never been in that locker room nor spoken to anyone who has been in the first person.

Your entire commentary is based on a narrative that you’ve gleaned from the media, not actual informed sources.


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Rather how can a person who follows the steelers NOT know Colbert is very careful with words, or Brown has been acting up for some time? If you follow the Steelers, you should know this, not from the media but with your own judgement, which in your case it out to lunch 24 x 7.

Are you questing Colbert's wisdom here?

Jimmy Johnson called it like it is.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Rather how can a person who follows the steelers NOT know Colbert is very careful with words, or Brown has been acting up for some time? If you follow the Steelers, you should know this, not from the media but with your own judgement, which in your case it out to lunch 24 x 7.

Are you questing Colbert's wisdom here?

Jimmy Johnson called it like it is.

I’m not questioning KC at all.

Colbert is the consummate professional as a GM. Most are and with that are always tactful to the media. It goes with the job. He’s going to comment as to what’s best for the organization as a whole. He won’t throw shade, but will be honest to the point of any questions directed at him and give clear answers when necessary.

Of course Brown has been acting up for sometime. It’s just within the last 12-18 months it’s been exacerbated by something Brown feels disrespected by.

My comment wasn’t about KC, but rather you think you have have it all figured out what goes on in the locker room, what the coaches do, specifically Tomlin, in the locker room and with each player. With the narrative you insinuate, you obviously think you could perform the role better. Which you know, I know, and everyone else on this board knows you couldn’t.

As for Jimmy Johnson, I could care less what he has said or will say. Just another former coach who puts in 2 days a week in 7 to gets a paycheck. Never thought he was a great coach, and he did a ton of illegal crap while at the U.


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[Steeler]

Tomlin enabled this **** show with AB 100%.
Ben for at least the first half of the season was obviously trying way to hard to force the ball to AB, I think it's because AB was being a little ***** about not getting enough targets.
Never thought I'd say it, but I'm glad he's on the trade block. Maybe, just maybe we will see a more focused team as a result.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I'm sorry, but nothing good comes out of Ben throwing teammates under the bus publicly. If he wants to get on them at practice or in the locker room? Fine. The rest is unnecessary, and if it's causing a divided locker room it has to stop. I know, new age players are soft. Well guess what? That **** isn't changing any time soon is it? It's ridiculous, all of it.

Can I get a breakdown of all of the times Ben threw his teammate under the bus? Is it any worse than a QB blowing up on his teammates on the sidelines in front of millions of TV viewers?

 

[Big Ben Rules]

So this isn't showing up your QB, or as he want to call it showing a lack of respect. and this isn't the only time he's done it,

 

[steelreeling]

I'm sure you would agree that WASHINGTON did listen to BEN and has progressed advantageously. The ONLY one that I can tell who backlashed out was Mr. Big Checks and he needed it the most. BEN is an absolute leader and player and warrior (near warrior42 status) and MATURE MAN. I loved constructive criticism, especially when it came from equals, in all the sports I've excelled in over my life time, only a fool wouldn't.




Salute the nation

The first rule of leadership: a real man does not talk **** about anyone or anything on his team in public. Behind closed doors you can man-up and say things straight in a face-to-face. To do otherwise will make your teammates lose respect for you. Ben is currently suffering from this loss.