I just gave you several reasons. Number one being it's highly unlikely that this Steelers defense is going to stop the Saints in constant four-down territory because they need a touchdown to win.
No more ******* excuses.
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I just gave you several reasons. Number one being it's highly unlikely that this Steelers defense is going to stop the Saints in constant four-down territory because they need a touchdown to win.
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He HIRED A ******* COACH to come in and show him how to play rudimentary football for ****'S sake.
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There are times to be aggressive and there are times to not be. That was a time to take the safe call and make the Saints drive the field.
So, he doesn’t trust our defense to stop them from going 80 yards (which we had been), but he trusts them to stop them going 40?
If his goal was to give Ben time, why not let the Saints score in their first play?
The justification of ineptness is just mind blowing.
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The rules states that you can't just have both feet down if you don't secure the catch and make a football move. Here is the rule:
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:
a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
Their WR didn't do anything on line C. He didn't tuck it, extend it, or take an additional step, turn upfield ETC... He took two step then got hit. Tomlin was right in not challenging that play.
Don't forget, Ben will some how get blamed for the loss.
Why on the Riddley play do you:
A- bring him in at all when you didn't use him pretty much all game.
B-go to a flat out running formation, when we've been moving up and down the field from the spread and we weren't able to run on them all night.
On D we ******* used two Dlinemen on the goal line! Highschool coach wouldn't even do that, of course it resulted in an Ingram TD.
Oh and on the 3rd and 20 on the Saints last drive, you have to send one extra guy, there, you have to.
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I can certainly see your point, and I figured Tomlin would take a shitload of slack for the call. But as I mentioned, I do understand his thought process -- which normally isn't the case. Like slashsteel said, though, you're asking a whole lot to get 5 yards up the middle there...would rather have seen a pass.
Just a hollow feeling all around in my gut at this point. Too many mistakes by the refs, coaches, and players. This is when losing to a team like the Raiders catches up with you, and it just hurts.
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Are you saying that was a BAD situational football call................... We all should be use to that scenario by now...................
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I could have lived with the fake punt if the dumb **** we have for a coach would have been smart enough to tell the defense that if we didn't make it to just let them score on the next play or two. Ben with 2 and a half minutes and two timeouts wins that game with a TD in the final seconds, no doubt in my mind. JUJU doesn't feel the need to try and get every extra inch because time would not have been a factor,
I swear to God Tomlin looked lost before the first kick off. I would love to see how many teams would actually go after him if we fired him He is the laughing stock of the NFL coaching world and the Rooneys are the only owners to blind to see it. If not for Ben that ****** wouldn't have one winning season.
I swear to God Tomlin looked lost before the first kick off. I would love to see how many teams would actually go after him if we fired him He is the laughing stock of the NFL coaching world and the Rooneys are the only owners to blind to see it. If not for Ben that ****** wouldn't have one winning season.
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WHY would it be so HIGHLY unlikely???? Hadn't the STEELERS defense stopped them before, in this game??? What proof that they couldn't stop them again, in this game???? JUST want to hear factual reasoning and NOT assumption because it could happen. Accept the fact it was a dumb-assed situational call, one of many with-in this season.
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Even if it was a fumble, does anyone really think those officials were going to overturn that.
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Season is on the line, is this the call you want your coach to even consider making? That is my thought process. They could be in this situation 100 times and not once would this play call be seriously considered.
When you give up a 3rd and 20, without anyone near the WR for a 25 yard gain... I can’t trust you in any circumstance.
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I'm not saying his GOAL was to give Ben time. I'm saying that in the event the fake punt fails, the likelihood of Ben having enough time at the end was greatly increased. And in the miraculous event that the defense does stop them on fourth down (which they almost did), all the better.
FYI, once the Saints had first and goal at the 1:33 mark, yes I would have let Thomas score, saved my timeout, and took my chances with Ben getting the job done. Absolutely.
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Please stop this ****. The refs **** up all the time. They ****** up in the first game of the year when Haden had a clear PI on the clowns WR. But nobody was screaming RIGGED when we won. Just saw it as a missed call. But when it happens to us it's all a conspiracy. Some Steeler fans sound like Seahawk fans from years ago. Just stop.
If this is the letter of the rule, then you would be correct -- technically C was not indeed fulfilled.
However, I've watched enough NFL football to have seen enough calls not held to the letter of the rule, and plenty of referees who weren't (and probably still aren't) sure what exactly constitutes possession. It's such an incredibly important play that it was still well worth the risk, in my opinion. Especially given Tomlin's recent propensity to inexplicably throw challenge flags where there's not even any case for debate in his favor.
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I watched the game and I never believed we could win even leading 28 - 24 and driving. I figured the defense would collapse or we would turn the ball over. I don't think the Ravens will lose to the Browns next week but even if they do we'll find a way to lose to the Bengals. I admire the work by JuJu, Ben, Brown, Samuels, Haden, and Watt but it isn't enough to overcome coaching and never will be.
Because at that late point in the game, the Saints would have four downs to work with on every series. Not three downs.
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I didn’t like the fake punt call but I agree with the reasoning that we wanted to have the ball last. Brees at home in 4-down territory is deadly. I truly believe we would have scored a TD to win had JuJu not fumbled.
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This exactly. I was screaming omfg when I saw Ridley line up for that 3rd down, I believe Tomlin had every intent to go for it on 4th if Ridley didn't make it. Still a stupid play.
Maybe my eyes are wrong but there was another play, 3rd down I think, when the Saints converted a sideline pass that the receiver dragged one foot and then got the second foot down. That second foot did not touch inbounds until the first had drug out of bounds. I'm surprised nobody caught that. I was hoping for the challenge flag there.
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I saw that too. Not sure why there was no challenge...
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The announcers didn't even catch it after a couple replays. Tomlin had plenty of time to challenge that. Just piss poor. Have somebody in your ear watching the damned broadcast when on the road. ****.
The first one is an excuse, the other two are real, can't put it on the carpet, although, both fumbles were outstanding plays the defender who punched the ball out each time.
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Yeah, he could have played it "safe" and punted the ball to the Saints. That is the obvious choice.
And instead of Tomlin's fake punt, you could have blamed the loss on the defense, after Brees drove the Saints a whole 35 extra yards, and Ben never got a chance to watch JuJu fumble.
Make no mistake about it the D is the biggest issue. And what is holding this team back from better things. Some will say Butler some will say Tomlin. But that scheme has to go.................