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Madden (Mark, not John): Time to turn up the heat on Tomlin

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Good piece on "The Tomlin Situation Going Forward":

https://triblive.com/sports/columni...time-the-steelers-consider-firing-mike-tomlin

Whenever a caller broaches the subject of firing Mike Tomlin on my radio program, I dismiss it out of hand.

First off, it won't happen. The Steelers employ coaches even longer than long term.

Second, it shouldn't happen. Tomlin never has had a losing season. His regular-season winning percentage of .653 ranks second among active coaches who have worked three seasons or more. He's won a Super Bowl and lost another.

That part of Tomlin's resume obscures his recent playoff failings: Just three postseason wins in the last seven seasons.

Whoever the Steelers hired to replace Tomlin would be worse and do worse. That includes Greenfield product Mike McCarthy, recently pink-slipped by the Green Bay Packers.

But if there's ever been a time to seriously consider the wisdom of the Steelers continuing to employ Tomlin, it's now.

That's in the wake of Sunday's debacle at Oakland: yet another Tomlin loss to a much lesser team where the Steelers appeared to be absurdly not ready. Heck, wide receiver Ryan Switzer didn't even wear the right shoes.

Since Tomlin took the helm in 2007, the Steelers are 6-5 straight up in road games where they've been favored by nine points or more. The rest of the NFL is 52-10. That's embarrassing and alarming.

Tomlin's clock management is putrid. After Oakland ran the ball on first and goal from the Steelers' 7 on their final (winning) drive, Tomlin let 38 seconds run off the clock despite having two timeouts. Those 38 seconds would have come in handy after the Raiders scored.

Situations like that are Football 101, and Tomlin keeps flunking. Same with his replay challenges.

The Steelers' special teams are the NFL's most penalized and among the league's worst. But special teams coach Danny Smith remains on duty and continues to yell, scream and mangle.

Kicker Chris Boswell has missed a league-worst five extra points and is just 10 for 16 on field goals, missing two at Oakland. (Do the math. If Boswell makes them, the Steelers win.) Yet he keeps his job because of, one supposes, some twisted sense of loyalty that no NFL team has applied to a kicker in recent memory, if ever.

But that mostly pales to how Tomlin handled the quarterbacking situation at Oakland.

Ben Roethlisberger suffered a rib injury near the end of the first half. But he was cleared to play the second half.

Yet Tomlin opted to not play him. Tomlin said Roethlisberger could have returned "a series or so sooner, but we were in the rhythm and flow of the game."

"Rhythm and flow of the game?" What does that even mean?

The Steelers' four second-half possessions with Josh Dobbs at the helm went as follows: punt, turned over on downs, interception, punt. (That's an early look at the Steelers' offense post-Roethlisberger, BTW.)

Roethlisberger came in for the last two possessions, leading the Steelers to what should have been the winning touchdown and a tying field goal. (He got none of the above.)

Why did Tomlin choose to play Dobbs instead of Roethlisberger? What sane reason could there possibly be?

Was he saving Ben for an "emergency?" Because if you're up by only 14-10 at halftime against a 2-10 team, that's an emergency.

Roethlisberger critics (and they were plentiful on social media despite Roethlisberger's late-game Willis Reed impersonation) assume that Roethlisberger made the decision or that Roethlisberger should have demanded to enter the game.

Who plays is the coach's call. It's not Roethlisberger's job to keep Tomlin from looking like an imbecile.

Said Roethlisberger, "I was just waiting for Coach to tell me when to go."

Before Tomlin opted to use Dobbs over Roethlisberger in what boiled down to a must-win game, I never gave serious consideration to the idea that replacing Tomlin was a good idea.

Now I can't help but.

The Steelers look screwed.

After losing at Oakland, there's no way to assume the Steelers should win any of their remaining games.

But they have to win two of three to go 9-6-1, which should win the AFC North. Finishing 8-7-1 probably puts them behind the Baltimore Ravens and likely misses out on a wild card, too.

Can the Steelers beat the New England Patriots or the New Orleans Saints? It looks like they have to win at least one of those games.

If the Steelers miss the playoffs because Tomlin chose to play Dobbs instead of Roethlisberger vs. a 2-10 team, things must change even if Tomlin doesn't get axed.

Smith should be fired.

Outside linebackers coach Joey Porter should be fired. He's more mascot than coach and has provided the Steelers a bad look too many times. Coaches shouldn't cause chaos.

The responsibility for clock management and replay challenges should be given to somebody else. Hire a specialist. He should have autonomy. Tomlin can't overrule. Tomlin stinks at those duties.

GM Kevin Colbert should have final say on personnel decisions. Tomlin needs to concentrate on coaching, period. Right now, he's not too good at it.

A bad team beat the Steelers on Sunday, and it didn't even play a good game. The Raiders took 13 penalties for 130 yards and still somehow won.

Most NFL teams would fire Tomlin given the circumstances. The Steelers won't.

Because the Steelers are going to retain Tomlin, he must do better. The Steelers must force his hand on certain issues. There must be accountability.

No coach who had to answer for his decision would have chosen to play Dobbs over Roethlisberger. Unless said coach was an absolute half-wit.
 
The owners own the team and SET THE EXPECTATIONS, since the owners have done NOTHING, that means the expectations are BEING MET. The owners expectations are to MAKE MONEY, the Steelers make money, win , lose or draw. No reason to change if the fans CONTINUE to spend their money on an over hyped product. Let the next few home games see fans stay away, and heads will roll muy pronto.
 
Spot on. And this "never had a losing season" **** is getting old. Tomlin has had a HOF QB his entire tenure as a head coach. It would be absurd for him to have had a losing season with the talent he has had.
FIRE THIS MOTHER ******
 
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I just lnew when Art took over from Dan we were going to be screwed... Dan Rooney was a unique guy who understood football better than almost anybody else.... he brought Noll in, but when Noll slipped he forced favored assistant coaches out and probably had a hand in steering him to retirement.... when the Donahoe Cowher mess flared up he sorted it out... he didn’t interfere unless he had to but when he did it meant something...

Just think Art goes through the motions and does things more from traditions than actual football acumen
 
The pot is now 212F


Tomlin cost the team a game by not playing Ben. Tomlin picked Doss. The offense struggled. The players must be thinking WTF. f Rooney doesn't fire this incompetence boob soon, I'll lose respect for the man.
 
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Poll from the article.

Should the Steelers fire coach Mike Tomlin?

80%
Yes 80%
20%
No 20%


Based on 1,912 responses
 
If it hasn't changed all of these years I doubt it does now. Pride and ego can consume and blind a person. A great leader is willing to do whatever must be done for the greater good of the team. To reach the objective. Win a championship. He really has to become a great chess player or have someone who is.
 
Poll now has 3,371 responses.

81% say fire Tomlin
19% say keep him.

I hope Rooney sees this poll. The sample size is pretty large.
 
3 playoff wins in 7 seasons is condemning. The Steelers I grew up with didn't play for non losing seasons or division champion hats.
 
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3 playoffs wins in SEVEN YEARS! WTF, that’s atrocious.
 
But, Tunch and Wolf were praising Tomlin this morning on the radio, he's never had a losing season. You can't fire him for that. I turned them off. Couldn't take the slobberiing.
 
The owners own the team and SET THE EXPECTATIONS, since the owners have done NOTHING, that means the expectations are BEING MET. The owners expectations are to MAKE MONEY, the Steelers make money, win , lose or draw. No reason to change if the fans CONTINUE to spend their money on an over hyped product. Let the next few home games see fans stay away, and heads will roll muy pronto.

bingo

stop going to the games, thats the only way to get rid of stinking tomlin

every yr this idiot is costing us at least one game
 
But, Tunch and Wolf were praising Tomlin this morning on the radio, he's never had a losing season. You can't fire him for that. I turned them off. Couldn't take the slobberiing.
Ex players that work for the Steelers will not **** talk the coach. Hoke and Batch are the same way.

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What I think it will take to get Tomlin fired.

It's not only the natives that are getting restless, but some Chiefs in the form of past Steeler greats have also spoken out. The media has taken notice. We saw reports last year than some minority owners wanted him out.

A recent fan poll with a sample of over 4,000 voters showed that 81% want Tomlin fired.

Can it happen, yes but I see two major obstacles.

1 ) The money.

Tomlin who is signed for the 2019 season, and scheduled to make roughly 6,000,000 in 2019. The good news is Tomlin doesn't count against the cap. The bad news is it would cost Art Rooney roughly 6,000,000.00 to fire him and at least another 4,000,000.00 a year to hire a new head coach. $10,000,000 is a tough pill for Rooney to swallow. Trading Tomlin is a long shot. I don't see any team willing to take him at that salary.

2 ) The Rooney rule / Politics.

The NFL's version of affirmative action isn't needed as much. This isn't the 1990's when there are only one to three active African American head coaches. Now there are 8 or 9, I think. Teams are going to hire who they think is best. The challenge for Rooney is by firing Tomlin with a winning record ( only 16 head coaches have been fired with a winning record since the 16-week schedule was implemented ) he does so with his name attached to the rule. The Rooney family is very active politically speaking, and for social activism.

So what can make Rooney act?


A 5 or more game losing streak which can happen since New England is next, then we play on the road vs the Saints and missing the playoffs.

OR

Losing a playoff game at home via one and done variety. Such a scenario will make Tomlin just 3-7 in his last ten playoff games.

If either happens, I'd put the odds of Tomlin being gone at 40%. It might take a rift between him and Ben to pass 50%.
 
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create another grandstanding "look at me" post that has/is being discussed in countless other threads and I'll delete your **** without merging elsewhere.

got it? last warning.
 
3 playoffs wins in SEVEN YEARS! WTF, that’s atrocious.

Hell he was given 1 of those 3 by the bungles when Berthdefect clocked AB on a pass then all hell broke loose. He should be 2 playoff wins in seven years.
 
Hell he was given 1 of those 3 by the bungles when Berthdefect clocked AB on a pass then all hell broke loose. He should be 2 playoff wins in seven years.


One of those wins came against the Miami Dolphins playing their back up QB, Matt Moore.
 
Super frustrating.

1 of the loses came in the AFCCG when our star RB pulled up injured.

1 of the loses came against a denver team without our star WR (knocked out by birfict).

But I'm ready to move on.
 
If we lose out and obviously should miss the playoffs, I can finally, maybe see the Rooney's acting.
 
If we lose out and obviously should miss the playoffs, I can finally, maybe see the Rooney's acting.

Naw. Sexual harassment caught on tape and played on the Jumbo-tron at a home game. That might do it - or even a false accusation to give the Rooney's cover.
 
I’m sure there are teams dumb enough to trade for him. That would be my preferred solution too. There’s still a lot of “Tomlin would get hired right away, look at his record, no losing seasons, I’d take him over our guy in a heartbeat” people out there


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