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Just rewatched the game and a few things surprised me:

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Dupree killed it. He had 10QB pressures. 10! I couldn't believe it. He also batted 2 balls, and had a strip sack fumble. He did get burned on the TD run, and over ran the QB a few times. On 2 of the over runs, one he comes back to make a tackle 9 yards down field, great play for not giving up. The other he loops back for a pressure and forces an incompletion. Easily his best game to date, and looked pedestrian if you fixated on the negatives or compared him with Watt. With that many pressures, he is destined for double digit sacks this year.

Offensive play calling is much improved. Other than OT, the Steelers were doing a great job of changing personnel groupings. In OT they went to a spread and **** the bed. The RPOs were a great new wrinkle and will kill teams on good weather days. The only thing slowing down this O from hitting 40 is weather (and turnovers of course...)

Offensively, Fichner did a great job of working with Ben to read and react to the coverages. 2 deep safeties, we were running, and gashing them. 1 safety, slants, drags, and seams for big hitters. Loved seeing it.

As undiciplined as our team was at presnap fouls for game 1, there was one instance that impressed me. Myles Garret flinched into neutral zone, and Villa and Foster stand straight up. Not flinching to block, or reacting to the jump. They stood straight up and pointed. This is what NE teams do every time a neutral zone happens, because it gets a call. The only presnap positive I could find in the coaching.

The Defense was faster, diagnosed the plays quicker, and lined up and disguised blitzes properly. Heyward, Tuitt, Dupree, Watt, Hilton, and Haden played like all pros. Burns, Bostic, Williams, Edmunds, and Sutton were very solid. It looked like last year, when Shazier was playing, that our defense was finally reset to becoming a strength. After watching this game twice, I know they are the only reason why we didn't lose that game. They are going to win us games this year.

Also Hilton had 4 PDs and 2 QB Pressures. Heyward and Tuitt had 5 pressures each.

Watt was also a monster. But all of his sacks were relatively early, before he started dropping into coverage. He is the best 2 way LB on the team.

Chukes killed it as the extra TE in heavy blocking schemes. He did as good if not better than Hubbard did last season, and he's a freakin rookie! Looks like it wasn't lip service from the coaches going with him as the swing tackle. He had a legit great day!

I also thought the coaches went conservative in this game, but upon a rewatch, that was not the case. They were killing the browns with the backside trap left. It's why Connor ripped up 2 20yd runs in a row including the TD. At that point they had a 14 point lead. They got the ball back and did a clock killing drive for 6min into the 4th and pinned the browns on a short punt. On a good weather game, I always kick the FG, but the punt made sense, and the steelers got the ball right back after a 3 and out. Steelers have a conservative run run pass, but punted. The Browns then treated this as the end of the game and went for it on 4th down and failed.

7:55 left in the game, it is essentially over. Running the ball is the right call to eat clock, but that's where Garrett made a play and forced a fumble. The Steelers were not conservative their next drive, went pass happy and Ben got hit on the second play with a sack fumble. Same thing in OT, the offense went to more of a pass attack, and the steelers' offense ended the game with another INT giving CLE a chance to win deep.

So for those of you lamenting turtle ball or Marty/Cowher ball, this was not the case. The Steelers threw too much, when they didn't have to, and that gave CLE extra possesions with a chance to win. You want to gripe on coaching? The legit gripe is why the hell did we pass so much down the stretch??
 
Yes I don’t think Dupree is that bad. Needs some more rush moves but he’s a hell of an athlete and football player.
 
I agree with everything other than running it so much with 8 minutes to go. Sure, you want the clock to tick down but in this league, 14 points is not safe until you are inside the 2 minute warning. Keep trying to score. Stick with what got you there and don't live in your fears.
 
The belief was Dupree should have done more against a undrafted rookie as in sack results.

But sometimes QB pressures can be just effective.
 
10 QB pressures resulting in 2 actual hits on the QB. Pressures are all well and good unless you are playing a running QB and he just puts one move on you and gets an easy 5 yard gain because of it. Not to mention some of those pressures Durpee was just unblocked so it's not like he was beating his man regularly.

I'm not saying the 10 QB pressures isn't is positive sign but I think there's more to the story in this case.

Also that run run pass sequence you referenced was after a holding call on 1st down. So beginning 1st and 16, they decided to run for 1 yard and then 2nd and 15 ran for another 2 yards...that's turtle ball. Then we get the ball after the Browns turn it over on downs and what do we do, run the ball again when the entire Browns defense knew it was coming and resulted in a fumble because Garrett blew up the play. Then it was panic mode that it was a 1 score game and we go shotgun twice in a row leading to another Garrett fumble.

It's like the **** they did successful on offense to keep the Browns D off balance in the first 3 quarters just went out the window in the 4th quarter. Once the clock changed to the 4th quarter, the Browns knew exactly when a run or a pass was coming and that played right into Garrett's hands...literally.
 
Really not understanding all these turtle ball calls when the offense was giving out gifts like it was christmas. Why not put it on the guys who talked all week about proving a point. THE OLINE. Great olines can run even when the other teams knows it coming..
 
Wait I though Dupree was laughably horrible Sunday. Everyone in the game thread said so.

I did too, then I rewatched the game without emotion and just watched him play. He was getting pressure consistently.
 
10 QB pressures resulting in 2 actual hits on the QB. Pressures are all well and good unless you are playing a running QB and he just puts one move on you and gets an easy 5 yard gain because of it. Not to mention some of those pressures Durpee was just unblocked so it's not like he was beating his man regularly.

I'm not saying the 10 QB pressures isn't is positive sign but I think there's more to the story in this case.

Also that run run pass sequence you referenced was after a holding call on 1st down. So beginning 1st and 16, they decided to run for 1 yard and then 2nd and 15 ran for another 2 yards...that's turtle ball. Then we get the ball after the Browns turn it over on downs and what do we do, run the ball again when the entire Browns defense knew it was coming and resulted in a fumble because Garrett blew up the play. Then it was panic mode that it was a 1 score game and we go shotgun twice in a row leading to another Garrett fumble.

It's like the **** they did successful on offense to keep the Browns D off balance in the first 3 quarters just went out the window in the 4th quarter. Once the clock changed to the 4th quarter, the Browns knew exactly when a run or a pass was coming and that played right into Garrett's hands...literally.

What we are referring to as "turtle ball' netted Connor's second TD, and ate 7min off the clock the very next drive. It was working until the penalty. Garrett didn't blow up the play, he chased down the play, and threw a hammer from behind the RB running away from him. Shouldn't have happened.

But what else can you do? Everyone here seems to be arguing out of both sides of their mouth. The Steelers should have passed the ball more? Really? In those conditions, the only smart thing to do, is control the clock, and don't turn the ball over. Connor ****** up. Then we passed the ball and Ben ****** up. There went the win. But throwing wasn't the answer either, since Ben gave up the fumble to help lead to tie the game, and a 4th int that nearly led to a game winning FG in overtime.

There are also 3 other instances in that game where Ben put the ball into the hands of the other team and they didn't hold on to it. This game was Ben's worst in a long time, and dammit if Boz would of only hit that FG, we could have eeked out the victory.
 
I did too, then I rewatched the game without emotion and just watched him play. He was getting pressure consistently.

He also did his textbook "Look how fast I can fly by the QB and not be a factor in the play" routine. I know I saw some more of that for a fact. He has like zero bend when it comes to rushing the passer and I guess he never will.
 
I just wished the coaching staff would of recognized that Connor needed to take a blow occasionally...

If they did...I dont think the fumble happens late in the game..

Felt it was a combination of getting him his 100 yd. game while thumbing their nose at Bell, and not recognizing the toll those yards had taken on Conner. Field conditions were deteriorated by softening too so he was literally running in mud.

I would not have thought that Dupree played as well as you point to Cope, aside from the pass block I noticed him way too deep in his rush, past the deepest back. He's got to know when to hold at the point of attack. Unacceptable for an olb or D end.
 
I hope Dupree learns situational pass rushing as well. The difference between Dupree and Watt is football IQ. Watt is a genius, and Durpee is still in 101. I think he will improve through the season and seeing his own pass rushes broken down with Porter. Though Jarvis never learned and kept running out of the play, I think Dupree can truly learn.

And I never saw Connor tired once in this game. He's a legit bell-cow. His fumble was a result of a #1 draft pick making a play, not due to being tired, especially since he had a 20min break when the Browns ran the clock for 8min of game time the drive immediately before the fumble.
 
Awesome overview Cope! I rewatched the game today and had a different take from game day, but the turnovers still really concern me. You’re right about the defense though. It looks fast and aggressive. Hopefully, a Steeler defense we can count on and is a strength. I just hope Ben’s rust is showing and he can shake it for the home opener against KC.


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Dup really needs to stay healthy more than anything it’s critical
 
Dupree killed it. He had 10QB pressures. 10! I couldn't believe it. He also batted 2 balls, and had a strip sack fumble. He did get burned on the TD run, and over ran the QB a few times. On 2 of the over runs, one he comes back to make a tackle 9 yards down field, great play for not giving up. The other he loops back for a pressure and forces an incompletion. Easily his best game to date, and looked pedestrian if you fixated on the negatives or compared him with Watt. With that many pressures, he is destined for double digit sacks this year.

Offensive play calling is much improved. Other than OT, the Steelers were doing a great job of changing personnel groupings. In OT they went to a spread and **** the bed. The RPOs were a great new wrinkle and will kill teams on good weather days. The only thing slowing down this O from hitting 40 is weather (and turnovers of course...)

Offensively, Fichner did a great job of working with Ben to read and react to the coverages. 2 deep safeties, we were running, and gashing them. 1 safety, slants, drags, and seams for big hitters. Loved seeing it.

As undiciplined as our team was at presnap fouls for game 1, there was one instance that impressed me. Myles Garret flinched into neutral zone, and Villa and Foster stand straight up. Not flinching to block, or reacting to the jump. They stood straight up and pointed. This is what NE teams do every time a neutral zone happens, because it gets a call. The only presnap positive I could find in the coaching.

The Defense was faster, diagnosed the plays quicker, and lined up and disguised blitzes properly. Heyward, Tuitt, Dupree, Watt, Hilton, and Haden played like all pros. Burns, Bostic, Williams, Edmunds, and Sutton were very solid. It looked like last year, when Shazier was playing, that our defense was finally reset to becoming a strength. After watching this game twice, I know they are the only reason why we didn't lose that game. They are going to win us games this year.

Also Hilton had 4 PDs and 2 QB Pressures. Heyward and Tuitt had 5 pressures each.

Watt was also a monster. But all of his sacks were relatively early, before he started dropping into coverage. He is the best 2 way LB on the team.

Chukes killed it as the extra TE in heavy blocking schemes. He did as good if not better than Hubbard did last season, and he's a freakin rookie! Looks like it wasn't lip service from the coaches going with him as the swing tackle. He had a legit great day!

I also thought the coaches went conservative in this game, but upon a rewatch, that was not the case. They were killing the browns with the backside trap left. It's why Connor ripped up 2 20yd runs in a row including the TD. At that point they had a 14 point lead. They got the ball back and did a clock killing drive for 6min into the 4th and pinned the browns on a short punt. On a good weather game, I always kick the FG, but the punt made sense, and the steelers got the ball right back after a 3 and out. Steelers have a conservative run run pass, but punted. The Browns then treated this as the end of the game and went for it on 4th down and failed.

7:55 left in the game, it is essentially over. Running the ball is the right call to eat clock, but that's where Garrett made a play and forced a fumble. The Steelers were not conservative their next drive, went pass happy and Ben got hit on the second play with a sack fumble. Same thing in OT, the offense went to more of a pass attack, and the steelers' offense ended the game with another INT giving CLE a chance to win deep.

So for those of you lamenting turtle ball or Marty/Cowher ball, this was not the case. The Steelers threw too much, when they didn't have to, and that gave CLE extra possesions with a chance to win. You want to gripe on coaching? The legit gripe is why the hell did we pass so much down the stretch??


Don’t give coaching too much credit. They failed to help out big Al, could have thrown a screen or two to slow down Garret, and targeted Brown too often.

Conner needed a break. He never got one.

Cowher ball seldom surrenders a lead. Look it up. The Steelers should have used Nix more often and gone 2 TE set with a 14 point lead.




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Ben said yesterday that he wasn't rusty in game 1. Then he goes on to say, he may not have been up to game speed. SMH! Uh, yes, big dummy! That is what rusty is, especially when you basically did nothing in pre-season games to actually get up to game speed.

Also read an article saying most teams do this as well. I laughed. I can't think of or have seen any team that limits their starters and especially starting QB in the pre-season as much as we do. I am sure some team probably does but even Marsha plays a lot more than Ben and he is the oldest QB in the league.
 
I did make a comment about Bud in the game thread after watching multiple rainbow rush attempts.
Almost immediately after that, he began a more direct approach that produced pressure.
 
I felt that we avoided throws in the middle of the field. The DBs were playing man press on our WRs. We could have released Conner off chip blocks with check down passes like we did early in the game during the second half. James didn't do us any favors with his tipped ball INT. We really could have used McDonald at TE to make plays in the middle of the field. We did find Juju, but not enough. I really feel like Juju is going to bust out and become a monster for us but Ben locked in on AB in double and triple coverage too often. They also need to get Washington on the field and let the kid play.
 
The defense played a very good game. The last seven minutes the Browns got the breaks needed with the turn overs as well as missed field goal. What totally surprised me was when the Brown's seemed to have an easy field goal to win the game, that are special team played lights out and blocked the kick. No one saw that coming, so I give the team credit at the end they still did not just sit and let the game end on the field goal.
 
That’s fine Coach, most don’t give you much credit either.


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