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Players you WANT in this draft-per round.

OK, Coach, you've been bashing Barry for 2 years now. A year after saying Monday WAS the better punter, before he suited up in training camp, and you were dead wrong. So what makes a great punter to you? I want your quantification, because you have mine, and I've written articles on it. What makes a good punter?

Give him a couple weeks Cope. He won’t do it in the next 24 hours. He will wait until there is a plethora of Draft magazines on the racks in stores to review and pick over.


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OK, Coach, you've been bashing Barry for 2 years now. A year after saying Monday WAS the better punter, before he suited up in training camp, and you were dead wrong. So what makes a great punter to you? I want your quantification, because you have mine, and I've written articles on it. What makes a good punter?

Cope,

Berry is not good. See below. 2017 results.

1 ) Berry's leg becomes weak later in the season.
2 ) Berry ranks 31st out of 32 teams in punting net average at 43.2 yards a punt,.
3 ) Berry's long for the year ( 62 yards ) was terrible. Only 6 punters having a shorter long distance punt.
4 ) His net of 39.72 was in the bottom 3rd of the league as well.
5 ) His total amount of kicks inside the 20 was also below average, but not that bad. Only 10 punters have fewer kicks downed inside the 20-yard line.
6 ) His punting average in the playoffs was only 39.91 over 6 games

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BerrJo00/gamelog/post/

Monday did not perform well enough in camp to beat him out. This is good draft for punters in the draft if the Steelers want to upgrade they can.

What makes a good punter you ask?

A good punter can kick for distance, or kick for hang time. He forces a lot of fair catches, and drops a higher % of his punts inside the 20, As a bonus he can tackle a player if needed or pass on a trick play. If needed a good punter can flip the field when he's punting out of his end zone.

Berry to me is below average on all of the above, maybe just average on inside the 20 over the course of his career.
 
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Cope,

Berry is not good. See below. 2017 results.

1 ) Berry's leg becomes weak later in the season.
2 ) Berry ranks 31st out of 32 teams in punting net average at 43.2 yards a punt,.
3 ) Berry's long for the year ( 62 yards ) was terrible. Only 6 punters having a shorter long distance punt.
4 ) His net of 39.72 was in the bottom 3rd of the league as well.
5 ) His total amount of kicks inside the 20 was also below average, but not that bad. Only 10 punters have fewer kicks downed inside the 20-yard line.
6 ) His punting average in the playoffs was only 39.91 over 6 games

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BerrJo00/gamelog/post/

Monday did not perform well enough in camp to beat him out. This is good draft for punters in the draft if the Steelers want to upgrade they can.

What makes a good punter you ask?

A good punter can kick for distance, or kick for hang time. He forces a lot of fair catches, and drops a higher % of his punts inside the 20, As a bonus he can tackle a player if needed or pass on a trick play. If needed a good punter can flip the field when he's punting out of his end zone.

Berry to me is below average on all of the above, maybe just average on inside the 20 over the course of his career.

did you calculate the % of those against his total punts? Steelers probably was one of the teams with fewer punts through the season
 
Cope,

Berry is not good. See below. 2017 results.

1 ) Berry's leg becomes weak later in the season.
2 ) Berry ranks 31st out of 32 teams in punting net average at 43.2 yards a punt,.
3 ) Berry's long for the year ( 62 yards ) was terrible. Only 6 punters having a shorter long distance punt.
4 ) His net of 39.72 was in the bottom 3rd of the league as well.
5 ) His total amount of kicks inside the 20 was also below average, but not that bad. Only 10 punters have fewer kicks downed inside the 20-yard line.
6 ) His punting average in the playoffs was only 39.91 over 6 games

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

Monday did not perform well enough in camp to beat him out. This is good draft for punters in the draft if the Steelers want to upgrade they can.

What makes a good punter you ask?

A good punter can kick for distance, or kick for hang time. He forces a lot of fair catches, and drops a higher % of his punts inside the 20, As a bonus he can tackle a player if needed or pass on a trick play. If needed a good punter can flip the field when he's punting out of his end zone.

Berry to me is below average on all of the above, maybe just average on inside the 20 over the course of his career.

did you calculate the % of those against his total punts? Steelers probably was one of the teams with fewer punts through the season

No, I did not. These are averages. Some player punted more often than others. I will say Berry punted less than most, meaning his leg should be fresher than most.
 
I've heard some mocks since the combine (haven't seen them but read they are out there) have Evans and Van Der Esch going well before we pick. That would probably be the worst case possible for the Steelers since we now have no money to sign any free agents. I am not sure we can even bring Timmons back at vet minimum.
 
did you calculate the % of those against his total punts? Steelers probably was one of the teams with fewer punts through the season

No, I did not. These are averages. Some player punted more often than others. I will say Berry punted less than most, meaning his leg should be fresher than most.

No he didn't since Berry's % of kicks inside the 20 would be better than most...he had 26 out of 64 punts inside the 20 or 40.6% which is not the best, but from skimming the stats, should be in the top 10 in the league....
 
Cope,

Berry is not good. See below. 2017 results.

1 ) Berry's leg becomes weak later in the season.
2 ) Berry ranks 31st out of 32 teams in punting net average at 43.2 yards a punt,.
3 ) Berry's long for the year ( 62 yards ) was terrible. Only 6 punters having a shorter long distance punt.
4 ) His net of 39.72 was in the bottom 3rd of the league as well.
5 ) His total amount of kicks inside the 20 was also below average, but not that bad. Only 10 punters have fewer kicks downed inside the 20-yard line.
6 ) His punting average in the playoffs was only 39.91 over 6 games

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

Monday did not perform well enough in camp to beat him out. This is good draft for punters in the draft if the Steelers want to upgrade they can.

What makes a good punter you ask?

A good punter can kick for distance, or kick for hang time. He forces a lot of fair catches, and drops a higher % of his punts inside the 20, As a bonus he can tackle a player if needed or pass on a trick play. If needed a good punter can flip the field when he's punting out of his end zone.

Berry to me is below average on all of the above, maybe just average on inside the 20 over the course of his career.



No, I did not. These are averages. Some player punted more often than others. I will say Berry punted less than most, meaning his leg should be fresher than most.

Did you also determine the percentage of returns? Steelers were near the top in least returns per club. 23 returns all year. Dallas had 5 less on the 2 more punts 64. Berry had only 2 freaking touchbacks and 26 I20. Get out of here you tool.


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I really liked what Berry did, Coach I don't know why some stats are clouding your vision, if you watched the games you should know he was more than efficient. His stats don't indicate how well he limited returning teams damage
 
No, I did not. These are averages. Some player punted more often than others. I will say Berry punted less than most, meaning his leg should be fresher than most.

nope, the stats you shared here are not averages
 
Cope,

Berry is not good. See below. 2017 results.

1 ) Berry's leg becomes weak later in the season.
2 ) Berry ranks 31st out of 32 teams in punting net average at 43.2 yards a punt,.
3 ) Berry's long for the year ( 62 yards ) was terrible. Only 6 punters having a shorter long distance punt.
4 ) His net of 39.72 was in the bottom 3rd of the league as well.
5 ) His total amount of kicks inside the 20 was also below average, but not that bad. Only 10 punters have fewer kicks downed inside the 20-yard line.
6 ) His punting average in the playoffs was only 39.91 over 6 games

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BerrJo00/gamelog/post/

Monday did not perform well enough in camp to beat him out. This is good draft for punters in the draft if the Steelers want to upgrade they can.

What makes a good punter you ask?

A good punter can kick for distance, or kick for hang time. He forces a lot of fair catches, and drops a higher % of his punts inside the 20, As a bonus he can tackle a player if needed or pass on a trick play. If needed a good punter can flip the field when he's punting out of his end zone.

Berry to me is below average on all of the above, maybe just average on inside the 20 over the course of his career.

That's cool. I understand your numbers. You are a numbers guy, but punting yardage and average only mean something if you have a terrible offense. If your team can't move the ball, you have a great punter, because he has more yardage to kick at. Also Punters that kick touchbacks have a higher average, because you get more yardage for hitting the EZ, then pinning the returner. The top 14 punters had 2 decent offenses. The rest were dogshit.

I like coffin kicking accurate control, backward Auzzie roll punters. He had 2 TBs all season in 16 games. That ties for #2 in the league. He also hit 40% of his kicks inside the 20, good for top 10 in the league.

There is more to distance for punting. I could see from his technique from week 3 on, that he was dealing with a leg issue, that affected his hangtime. Even with it, he was still successful.

In a draft with 6 picks, I don't waste one on a punter this year, when there are so many other needs. It would be worse than wasting a pick on a LS last year...
 
RD1- Leighton Vander Esch, Justin Reid, Ronald Jones II.

RD2- Malik Jefferson, Godwin Igwebuike, Sony Michel.

RD3- Gerard Avery, Deshon Elliott, Rashaad Penny

After that best player available


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I want to go on the record and say that all of the Bama options in the first round should be rated higher than LVE. I, like Slash, don't like one-year wonders from college. The kid from UCF, Shaq Griffin, would be a better choice later in the 2nd (I don't think he last until we pick in the second round)...
 
I want to go on the record and say that all of the Bama options in the first round should be rated higher than LVE. I, like Slash, don't like one-year wonders from college. The kid from UCF, Shaq Griffin, would be a better choice later in the 2nd (I don't think he last until we pick in the second round)...

He is even worse than that he is a one year wonder, who has injury question marks anddddddd is from a smaller level of competition. If that doesn't set off a 5 o'clock alarm I don't know what does.
 
No he didn't since Berry's % of kicks inside the 20 would be better than most...he had 26 out of 64 punts inside the 20 or 40.6% which is not the best, but from skimming the stats, should be in the top 10 in the league....

News flash, only 4 of 32 other starting punter's had less balls downed inside the 20! Berry is tied with one who had less total punts.
 
a couple of mock drafts on nfl.com have us taking a RB at 28 with Evans on the board.....
 
Try to make it semi-realistic.

Feel free to do your own rounds of wants. You can do as many rounds as you wish.

Coach here is your chance to go on record with who you want,:boxing1:

Round 1 WR James Washington

okay, sell me on WR Jams Washington in round one for the Steelers . A 5'11" guy who ran just a 4.54 at the combine, Sure he was great vs Big 12 defenses...but come one he's our #4 option at WR as rookie and we clearly have better needs. AB is in his prime, Ju-ju a rising star, Bryant motivated in his contract year. WR in round one? Fat chance. He'd have more value if he returned kicks, We need to win now.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/james-washington?id=32462018-0002-5599-27dc-5f82fa873706
 
Try to make it semi-realistic.

Feel free to do your own rounds of wants. You can do as many rounds as you wish.

Coach here is your chance to go on record with who you want,:boxing1:


Round 3 Auden Tate WR, McGlinchey T, Antonio Calloway WR ,Deontay Burnett WR, Kerryon Johnson RB, Mikah Kiser ILB,Mike Gesicki TE, Leighton Vander Esch ILB


Vander Esch in round three, didn't you say semi-realistic?

Gesecki looks like a late round one to round two type of pick.

I have seen Kerryon Johnson play, he'd make a great 3rd round pick. He could go in round two, maybe to us if Bell departs.

And what's with all these WR picks. Okay if Bryant leaves we need a deep threat type with size. Not poor man's AB or poor man's Ju-JU

All in good fun:boxing2:
 
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Vander Esch in round three, didn't you say semi-realistic?

Gesecki looks like a late round one to round two type of pick.

I have seen Kerryon Johnson play, he'd make a great 3rd round pick. He could go in round two, maybe to us if Bell departs.

And what's with all these WR picks. Okay if Bryant leaves we need a deep threat type with size. Not poor man's AB or poor man's Ju-JU

All in good fun:boxing2:
Semi realistic as they won't be getting Barkley in 1. Esch is a round two talent, he could go a round early or drop one round. That isn't too unrealistic. Nobody thought the Bungals would get Billings in 4, projected to go in 1.

so yeah one round differential isnt too unrealistic
 
okay, sell me on WR Jams Washington in round one for the Steelers . A 5'11" guy who ran just a 4.54 at the combine, Sure he was great vs Big 12 defenses...but come one he's our #4 option at WR as rookie and we clearly have better needs. AB is in his prime, Ju-ju a rising star, Bryant motivated in his contract year. WR in round one? Fat chance. He'd have more value if he returned kicks, We need to win now.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/james-washington?id=32462018-0002-5599-27dc-5f82fa873706

yep 40 isn't blazing he can't be a star !

:pound:
 
Semi realistic as they won't be getting Barkley in 1. Esch is a round two talent, he could go a round early or drop one round. That isn't too unrealistic. Nobody thought the Bungals would get Billings in 4, projected to go in 1.

so yeah one round differential isnt too unrealistic

Round three for Vander Esch is unrealistic. Gesecki could go in round one, if not round two. Round three with his workout is a long shot.

The Browns are an unrealistic team, they could blow the draft. Passing on Ben to draft a TE with issues?

I think Billings had a knee issue. We don't get first hand medical or character reports....
 
Round three for Vander Esch is unrealistic. Gesecki could go in round one, if not round two. Round three with his workout is a long shot.

The Browns are an unrealistic team, they could blow the draft. Passing on Ben to draft a TE with issues?

I think Billings had a knee issue. We don't get first hand medical or character reports....
teams reach for need more often than not


He is projected at what the third or 4th ILber? He does have concerns, enough to possibly slide a round.


I think he will go 2. But weirder things have happened.

I doubt Gesecki goes 1.

I actually will be surprised if either go 1. Both have the look of a second rounder if that.
 
yep 40 isn't blazing he can't be a star !

:pound:

It not only the 40, his quickness wasn't that good either.

Do you really want this guy in round one? Why?

If your not tall, I want quick. If your not quick, I want Tall. Speed is mandatory for certain routes. Washington is NOT a plus in size, speed or quickness.

Secondarily he was average leaper and could have timed quicker in the 20-yard shuttle and cone, drills that highlight side to side agility and turning with speed for routes.

Wastington guy looks like a #2 possession type of WR in the NFL, and yes I have seen him get open in games. He does have good hands and the ability to track the football. Not doubting that.

BUT, those big 12 defenses are awful. Can he beat press coverage, or bump and run coverage vs. NFL DB's??? I'd like to see in on his film. He's probably not out running anyone at corner in the NFL, and he's probably not a good jump ball type either.

This WR class does not have many round one talents. I think Washington is more of a 2nd round pick, and I would not be shocked if he went in round three.
 
okay, sell me on WR Jams Washington in round one for the Steelers . A 5'11" guy who ran just a 4.54 at the combine, Sure he was great vs Big 12 defenses...but come one he's our #4 option at WR as rookie and we clearly have better needs. AB is in his prime, Ju-ju a rising star, Bryant motivated in his contract year. WR in round one? Fat chance. He'd have more value if he returned kicks, We need to win now.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/james-washington?id=32462018-0002-5599-27dc-5f82fa873706

I moved him to two, but if there in two I have a feeling Steelers pull the trigger.
 
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