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Albert Garcia

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Money isn't everything. Most great players stay with their team for the love of the game. Are you going to tell me that 12 - 14 million a year isn't enough for a lifetime ? Where is your loyalty and commitment to a team that gave u a second chance. No one is indespenceable. Look at don mattingly of the yankees, he started and ended with them.true class and character and still made millions

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Your example of loyalty is Don Mattingly of the Yankee's who played in the 80's and 90's?
 
I don't expect any loyalty from players. There is no loyalty from teams. They don't give players second chances out of loyalty. It's a business and players need to make as much as they can while they are playing. They have short careers to begin with, and they know they could end on the next play. I think players make the decision to stay at a team for less money because they enjoy or want to win a championship or whatever, but I don't think anyone stays at a team out of loyalty, and I would not expect them to.
 
Albert Garcia said:
Money isn't everything. Most great players stay with their team for the love of the game. Are you going to tell me that 12 - 14 million a year isn't enough for a lifetime ? Where is your loyalty and commitment to a team that gave u a second chance. No one is indespenceable. Look at don mattingly of the yankees, he started and ended with them.true class and character and still made millions

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Let us be honest, they all get paid. Love of the game some sure. But do not fool yinzself into thinking money isn't the deciding factor more times than none. That is what helped drive most of them to continue playing.

Now as far as loyalty, I think over the years that waned. Like most of the endearing traits in what is today and present.

And most problem children of players, I am willing to bet try to milk you for all their worth.

The team ultimately has to decide just how far they will go.

I can see Bell tagged again, if they can't find common ground in a new contract. Probably to his dismay as well as every - other fan.
 
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The steelers have always had a knack for finding great players from the most unexpected sources. Until big ben was discovered, whoever heard of miami of ohio

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Albert Garcia said:
The steelers have always had a knack for finding great players from the most unexpected sources. Until big ben was discovered, whoever heard of miami of ohio

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Dude. Miami of Ohio is one of the oldest Universities in the Nation and had very famous alumni before Ben was even born.
 
You know that his point is Miami of Ohio is not know as a superstar factory for the NFL.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
I don't expect any loyalty from players. There is no loyalty from teams. They don't give players second chances out of loyalty. It's a business and players need to make as much as they can while they are playing. They have short careers to begin with, and they know they could end on the next play. I think players make the decision to stay at a team for less money because they enjoy or want to win a championship or whatever, but I don't think anyone stays at a team out of loyalty, and I would not expect them to.
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Martavious Bryant would be an example of team loyal to the player, LeVeon Bell would be a second example, in his early injury days. That is only two and I realize your point but I'm just mentioning these two **** sticks.




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Drink IRON City said:
Martavious Bryant would be an example of team loyal to the player, LeVeon Bell would be a second example, in his early injury days. That is only two and I realize your point but I'm just mentioning these two **** sticks.
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Sean Spence, who the Steelers kept on their roster and IR for three years at full salary when he couldn't play.

It's a business, teams aren't loyal to players for the most part and players often treat the players' union as their employer and not the team. NFL contracts are particularly one-sided in the teams' favor. The Steelers are better than most in this regard.
 
The idea of loyalty in the NFL has been dead to me for years from the team aspect and the player aspect. it is a business to both sides. it is time we the fans realize that. Franco and Rod both should have played their entire careers as Steelers but didn't. Business.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
I don't expect any loyalty from players. There is no loyalty from teams. They don't give players second chances out of loyalty. It's a business and players need to make as much as they can while they are playing. They have short careers to begin with, and they know they could end on the next play. I think players make the decision to stay at a team for less money because they enjoy or want to win a championship or whatever, but I don't think anyone stays at a team out of loyalty, and I would not expect them to.
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This right here. This ridiculously antiquated idea of "loyalty" when tens of millions of dollars are involved, is absurdity at the highest levels.
 
Yeah why have any loyalty for anything. May as well trash integrity too. Highest bidder for everything. Players, coaches,refs, championships...ect. It's all good **** it. It's entertainment baby......;)
 
In many cases, if not most, it’s not about the money, it’s about the ego. They want the headline saying they got an outrageous contract or they are the highest paid at their position. Bell turned down slightly less because it wasn’t the $15 million he rapped about. I doubt he is that principled. Inthink he frustrated the hell out of his agent.
 
Buster said:
You know that his point is Miami of Ohio is not know as a superstar factory for the NFL.
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Bad example regardless, Ben was a highly rated, certain first round pick. The Steelers didn’t really “find” him.
 
Bell will get pressure from the union to take the most money possible because that will then set the bar higher for other RBs. The union doesn’t care if you are happy, they only care about the numbers.

Bell was a 2nd round pick which means he did not have a huge rookie contract. He has been underpaid to this point in his career.

You have to factor in that RBs are washed up by 30. That means if Bell signs a long term deal, this is it for his career. His next contract will be when most teams view him as finished or near finished so he will not get offered anywhere near what he can get now.

this is why you can’t blame Bell for taking the most money he can get.

BUT, Bell also has to decide for himself how important it is that he plays for a winner, with good supporting cast, where his job is much easier and he has a chance to win super bowls. Regular folks decide to take less money all the time because they may not want to move their families or they have friends at their current company or they’d just rather make a bit less and not have a bunch of pressure on them.

This is why players often give a "hometown discount". They are not doing the team a favor. They are simply making the same choice many working stiffs make every day. Givung up some money to stay in a comfortable and known situation instead of getting more money for an unknown situation in a new city.
 
Any one of these guys could have their career ended in an instant. Many of them aren't prepared to do anything else for the rest of their lives. I don't blame them for grabbing up every last nickel they can get their hands on.

No team is going to keep a player purely out of loyalty. Don't think players should be expected to think any differently.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Martavious Bryant would be an example of team loyal to the player, LeVeon Bell would be a second example, in his early injury days. That is only two and I realize your point but I'm just mentioning these two **** sticks.




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They were kept because they had tremendous talent, not out of any sense of loyalty. The average run of the mill player would be cut.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Sean Spence, who the Steelers kept on their roster and IR for three years at full salary when he couldn't play.

It's a business, teams aren't loyal to players for the most part and players often treat the players' union as their employer and not the team. NFL contracts are particularly one-sided in the teams' favor. The Steelers are better than most in this regard.
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My only correction, is Spence was kept for 2 years, not 3, coming back from injury.
 
oneforthebus said:
They were kept because they had tremendous talent, not out of any sense of loyalty. The average run of the mill player would be cut.
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That is definately a big part of it but also a part of the team keeping a player due to Loyalty. Golson comes to mind, his talent wasn't that high yet still kept. I agree that their talent level helps determine how far the team will go for them but even some less talented players have been helped, even outside of football. I'm talking STEELERS players. Again, I get your point but I'm just pointing out the Rooney's are way better owners and taking care of players than nearly any other team.



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