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Haden on Tomlin

Cope said:
Like the way he "coddled" Bryant for being immature and divisive.

Some of you guys only see what you want to see. Tomlin is a leader of men.
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OK good. Let him go join the Army and work his way up to Sergeant Major. His abilities as an actual football coach leaves a lot to be desired
 
Cope said:
Tomlin is a leader of men.
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Were you able to keep a straight face when you said that?

Leaders of men don't have players skipping practice the day before the playoff game. Leaders of men don't have players and coaches showing up late on game days. Leaders of men don't have players taunting the other team outside of their locker room before a game. Leaders of men don't have players doing FB live videos in the locker room while they are talking. Leaders of men don't look past opponents or allow their players to look past them...

So, what exactly is he leading?
 
If Tomlin is so damn good that he felt the need to take over the Defense. Then why is Butler still here ? I think you would actively looking for a new coordinator. .
 
I don't want to turn this into a Cowher Tomlin thing, but Cowher made it to 4 AFCCG (3 as the #1 seed) with trash at QB, without one of the best wr's in league history, twice without a legit top notch RB. He did that in his first 10 seasons.
Tomlin has had a Franchise QB his entire time here, and has had AB 7 seasons and he's made it to only 3 AFCCG's in 11 seasons.
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and lost all 4. when tomlin went to the AFCCG game last year and got trounced by the *'s, it was considered a failure.

The players Cowher had were put there by Cowher and whoever was GM at the time. Anytime you have to caveat what is going on based upon who the players are, seems like you are admitting that Cowher put ****** players in position. I'm not arguing that Tomlin is better or equal to Cowher, just amazes me how you can excuse 4 AFCCG losses and last year's was well, whatever it was. do yourself a favor. Look at FA QB's that were signed after Can't Graham. Hint: One of them won the Super Bowl that year and not one of us would consider him a franchise player.

Even this year's loss to Jax in the playoffs has, at least, equal blame on Ben for giving the Jags 14 points (or a minimum of 10). Look at it this way. You might expect a turnover or two in a game versus one of the top Defenses. YOu might even expect to have the other team score 10-14 points on those turnovers. In two games, this one year, Ben, was responsible for 24 points by the Jags D.

Without one of those turnovers, we win the game. With both, we are toast. Even WITH the questionable coaching decisions.

For all of you with the "first game the gameplan sucked. #D vs the pass and we hardly ran". What did the great Bill do? 39 passes 19 runs.
 
Didn't lose all 4, won one of them.

Point is Cowher without a franchise QB has done as well as Tomlin has with a franchise QB. Coaching might matter a little.

Ok so Ben gave them 10 points, he also put up 42 and 470 yards passing and 5 TDs. I'd say that out weighs the 10 points just a little, if the defense just holds them to their season average we win easily. But no, Tomlins defense let that offense score 35 points, the team that had two total TDs the two prior weeks combined.

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Ok so Ben gave them 10 points, he also put up 42 and 470 yards passing and 5 TDs. I'd say that out weighs the 10 points just a little, if the defense just holds them to their season average we win easily. But no, Tomlins defense let that offense score 35 points, the team that had two total TDs the two prior weeks combined.
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So, Tomlin's offensive game plan allowed us to score more points on offense than his Defensive game plan allowed the Jags to score on Offense.
 
ark steel said:
So, Tomlin's offensive game plan allowed us to score more points on offense than his Defensive game plan allowed the Jags to score on Offense.
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I don't know, I haven't heard any stories come out saying he was calling the offenses and he had taken over alot of the offensive meetings. He was calling the defenses and running the meetings.

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ark steel said:
So, Tomlin's offensive game plan allowed us to score more points on offense than his Defensive game plan allowed the Jags to score on Offense.
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You mean the offensive game plan that had us come out empty backfield with 3 straight throws on the first series, then go run-run-pass-punt on second series? Of the game plan that called for a toss sweep on 4th and a half yard? Again, Ben, Bell, and Brown cover up a lot of deficiencies on the offensive side of the ball.
 
ark steel said:
I'm not arguing that Tomlin is better or equal to Cowher, just amazes me how you can excuse 4 AFCCG losses and last year's was well, whatever it was.
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We know for a fact that two of Cowher's losses were to a team that was cheating though, so there is that.
 
ark steel said:
and lost all 4. when tomlin went to the AFCCG game last year and got trounced by the *'s, it was considered a failure.

The players Cowher had were put there by Cowher and whoever was GM at the time. Anytime you have to caveat what is going on based upon who the players are, seems like you are admitting that Cowher put ****** players in position. I'm not arguing that Tomlin is better or equal to Cowher, just amazes me how you can excuse 4 AFCCG losses and last year's was well, whatever it was. do yourself a favor. Look at FA QB's that were signed after Can't Graham. Hint: One of them won the Super Bowl that year and not one of us would consider him a franchise player.

Even this year's loss to Jax in the playoffs has, at least, equal blame on Ben for giving the Jags 14 points (or a minimum of 10). Look at it this way. You might expect a turnover or two in a game versus one of the top Defenses. YOu might even expect to have the other team score 10-14 points on those turnovers. In two games, this one year, Ben, was responsible for 24 points by the Jags D.

Without one of those turnovers, we win the game. With both, we are toast. Even WITH the questionable coaching decisions.

For all of you with the "first game the gameplan sucked. #D vs the pass and we hardly ran". What did the great Bill do? 39 passes 19 runs.
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Yep. Those two turnovers lead to 14 points for Jacksonville. 14 ******* points in a game we lost by 3. I love Ben; happy as a pig in **** that he sounds committed for the next few years, because I do not want to see him retire. There's going to be numerous grown men who will be incredibly sad when that day comes, and I'm going to be one of them. However, he had as big a hand in that mess as anyone, REGARDLESS of what he was able to do by the end of the game. Because of him, we stayed in it, and had any chance to pull off a miracle. However, it's also because of him that we were chasing 14 points for the better of the game.
 
chipped ham said:
Yep. Those two turnovers lead to 14 points for Jacksonville. 14 ******* points in a game we lost by 3. I love Ben; happy as a pig in **** that he sounds committed for the next few years, because I do not want to see him retire. There's going to be numerous grown men who will be incredibly sad when that day comes, and I'm going to be one of them. However, he had as big a hand in that mess as anyone, REGARDLESS of what he was able to do by the end of the game. Because of him, we stayed in it, and had any chance to pull off a miracle. However, it's also because of him that we were chasing 14 points for the better of the game.
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Just because there was an INT does not mean that the defense had to give up a TD on the next play. The defense could actually have held someone to a FG. We were chasing 14 points because our defense was ******* atrocious.
 
chipped ham said:
Yep. Those two turnovers lead to 14 points for Jacksonville. 14 ******* points in a game we lost by 3. I love Ben; happy as a pig in **** that he sounds committed for the next few years, because I do not want to see him retire. There's going to be numerous grown men who will be incredibly sad when that day comes, and I'm going to be one of them. However, he had as big a hand in that mess as anyone, REGARDLESS of what he was able to do by the end of the game. Because of him, we stayed in it, and had any chance to pull off a miracle. However, it's also because of him that we were chasing 14 points for the better of the game.
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More like 10 points, the defense is allowed to hold them to a FG. Again our offense scored 42 points with 545 yards, the defense still gave up 35 points to a **** O with a scrub QB and no wrs. And to make it worse the story came out that Tomlin has been calling the defenses and has taken over alot of the defensive meetings

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Steeler Pride said:
You mean the offensive game plan that had us come out empty backfield with 3 straight throws on the first series, then go run-run-pass-punt on second series? Of the game plan that called for a toss sweep on 4th and a half yard? Again, Ben, Bell, and Brown cover up a lot of deficiencies on the offensive side of the ball.
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I'm talking about the one that scored 42 points against one of the top 2 or 3 defenses in the league.

So, the B's cover up deficiencies (i presume this means that overcome the shitflinging monkey coaches), but one of those B's gave the other team 14 points (which is the fault of said **** flinging monkey coaches).
 
Coryea said:
More like 10 points, the defense is allowed to hold them to a FG. Again our offense scored 42 points with 545 yards, the defense still gave up 35 points to a **** O with a scrub QB and no wrs

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OK, i will give you 10 points. We lost by 3. Our offensive game plan allowed us to score more points than our defensive game plan allowed. We win, right?
 
Ron Burgundy said:
We know for a fact that two of Cowher's losses were to a team that was cheating though, so there is that.
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and one of Tomlin's, right? and the fact that we were playing Jax and not TN.....
 
ark steel said:
I'm talking about the one that scored 42 points against one of the top 2 or 3 defenses in the league.

So, the B's cover up deficiencies (i presume this means that overcome the shitflinging monkey coaches), but one of those B's gave the other team 14 points (which is the fault of said **** flinging monkey coaches).
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Again 10 points 4 of those go on the defense, it's not like they intercepted the ball at the 5.
And show me the story where Tomlin was calling the offensive plays and running the meetings.

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ark steel said:
I'm talking about the one that scored 42 points against one of the top 2 or 3 defenses in the league.

So, the B's cover up deficiencies (i presume this means that overcome the shitflinging monkey coaches), but one of those B's gave the other team 14 points (which is the fault of said **** flinging monkey coaches).
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So was the lateral pass Ben made to Bell for a TD in the gameplan?

Ben gave the Jags 7 points on the strip/sack. He threw the pick, but it was the defense that gave up a rushing TD on the next play. We need to let the rest of the NFL know that if your QB throws a pick, the defense has to give up a TD on the next play so it can count against the QB.
 
ark steel said:
OK, i will give you 10 points. We lost by 3. Our offensive game plan allowed us to score more points than our defensive game plan allowed. We win, right?
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Lose by 3 after the genius HC decided to onside kick and surrender 3 points. Tie game now.
 
Coryea said:
Again 10 points 4 of those go on the defense, it's not like they intercepted the ball at the 5.
And show me the story where Tomlin was calling the offensive plays and running the meetings.

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I gave you the 10 instead of the 14. Jax Offense still scores less than our Defense allows, right?

Can you show me the story where Tomlin calls for the turnovers? if he is responsible for the lateral on 4th and 9 he is responsible for the 42 points, right? Oh, wait, that cant be right.

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Without one of those turnovers, we win the game. With both, we are toast. Even WITH the questionable coaching decisions.
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ark steel said:
I gave you the 10 instead of the 14. Jax Offense still scores less than our Defense allows, right?

Can you show me the story where Tomlin calls for the turnovers? if he is responsible for the lateral on 4th and 9 he is responsible for the 42 points, right? Oh, wait, that cant be right.

I assume you ignored:
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Did Tomlin approve both of the idiotic 4th and a foot play calls? Did Tomlin call for the asinine onside kick attempt? Did Tomlin approve a game plan that involved coming out throwing from an empty backfield against a team that was vulnerable to the running game? So a defensive coach that has been reported to have taken over the defense gives up lets say 35 points to Blake Bortles and a team that scored 10 ******* points the week before and he still gets no blame for having a **** defense and you want to blame the QB who put up 42 points against the #2 defense in the NFL? What exactly is Tomlin responsible for?
 
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