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Tomlin presser

slashsteel said:
Both probable scenarios involve the Jags having the ball. The one way away from field goal range is the one you go with.

A few might not have a problem with the call, it doesn't make it less stupid.
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Both scenarios also involve giving the defense a shot to stop them. One scenario involves basically a 0% chance of getting the ball on the kickoff while the other involves a 10% chance. They way the defense was playing how could anyone have confidence in them? A "normal" onside kick at worst should have resulted in a long FG attempt for Jax. If they tried it and missed we would have had the ball around midfield. If they punted we still give the offense a chance. I would not have had a problem kicking the ball deep either, but I definitely understand and can not fault Tomlin for trying the onside kick.
 
jitter77 said:
Both scenarios also involve giving the defense a shot to stop them. One scenario involves basically a 0% chance of getting the ball on the kickoff while the other involves a 10% chance. They way the defense was playing how could anyone have confidence in them? A "normal" onside kick at worst should have resulted in a long FG attempt for Jax. If they tried it and missed we would have had the ball around midfield. If they punted we still give the offense a chance. I would not have had a problem kicking the ball deep either, but I definitely understand and can not fault Tomlin for trying the onside kick.
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sorry inaccurate
 
Is there a rule against having two kickers on at the same time. Then have both of them go towards the ball, one can either kick it to the left side or the other one could get to the left side.
 
When was the last time we had a successful onside kick when the other team was expecting it?
 
slashsteel said:
thing is there was time outs and there was better odds that the D could defend a longer field.

You are giving yourself a better chance to win. So that is the approach that needed to be taken.

That onside is when they could just kneel and win....

again a stupid ******* call
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Prior to the onside kick, and ignoring the kneel down at the end of the half, The Jags had 9 posessions. there were ZERO times they were held without a first down. That defense didn't do anything to make you think they had a stop in them. Zero sacks. Zero tackles for loss. Again, ZERO tackles for loss.

When you play that dog **** bad, you take a shot your special teams can get you a turnover. Yep, the execution was horrible, and the penalty hurt, but the bottom line is the defense gave up 35 points up to that point that had us climbing up a damn mountain. Even after the kick, they had a chnce for a stop, knowing they were going to see 3 runs, and gave up yards every down.

It's a lousy position to be in that happens to be your best chance to win, but despite its failure, it was.
 
jitter77 said:
We did not lose the game due to the onside kick. We lost because we were losing 21-0 and 28-7 and could not get off the damn field on 3rd down. I do not have a problem with trying the onside kick. You have 2 chances of getting the ball back which are a recovery and if you stop them they would kick it away. By kicking it deep you only get it back if you stop them which we had proven time and time again we could not do. One first down by the Jags in either scenario and we lose the game anyways. The onside kick was executed terribly. Even with a normal failure the Jags probably would have had to get a first down to get to FG range. As I said earlier with or without the FG if they got a first down the game was over anyways. I can not stand Tomlin as a coach and would love nothing more to see that he has been fired, but the onside kick attempt is not one of the reasons. I have more of an issue with the one timeout we seemed to blow for no reason I think it was around the 3:00 mark but I forget exactly.
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Ok ok. Lets run the scenario. They are certainly running the ball on first down. If they throw it complete for a first down you are
Virtually in the same spot anyhow. So you know they are running on first. Second down would be extremely ballsy but would be your best chance. If you cant stop a team you now is running I dont want to win anyhow. You get to third and its 50 50. A short kick must be less than 5%. Not sure if they even executed an attempt all season. YOU DONT COACH WITH GUT. YOU PLAY THE NUMBERS.
 
Steelerfreak said:
Prior to the onside kick, and ignoring the kneel down at the end of the half, The Jags had 9 posessions. there were ZERO times they were held without a first down. That defense didn't do anything to make you think they had a stop in them. Zero sacks. Zero tackles for loss. Again, ZERO tackles for loss.

When you play that dog **** bad, you take a shot your special teams can get you a turnover. Yep, the execution was horrible, and the penalty hurt, but the bottom line is the defense gave up 35 points up to that point that had us climbing up a damn mountain. Even after the kick, they had a chnce for a stop, knowing they were going to see 3 runs, and gave up yards every down.

It's a lousy position to be in that happens to be your best chance to win, but despite its failure, it was.
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your best chance of winning was playing the numbers, again playing a longer field VS a shorter field.

Because 999 out of 1000 times that onside kick doesn't work.
 
JMM said:
He's going to unleash hell on a Papa John's pizza and a 6 pack this weekend
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He and the coaches need to work on the game plan for the Pro Bowl
 
slashsteel said:
your best chance of winning was playing the numbers, again playing a longer field VS a shorter field.

Because 999 out of 1000 times that onside kick doesn't work.
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Where are you getting that number?
Odds are against the recovery, but they aren't 0.1% bad. This season the success rate was 25% (the football database) I acknowledge this includes surprise onside kicks, but the number doesn't drop as drastically as your saying.

The onside kick attempt, as stated earlier in the thread, gave the Steelers an additional "out." In addition to the stop by the defense, it gave them one play where a turnover was possible.

Again, the execution and penalty from it caused them to be in long field goal range.

Which again brings up a point many of us would like to ignore. Play calling is over rated, it is the execution of the play that is called that ultimately determines success.

Look at the second fourth and 1 failure.
(For the record I am beyond irritated they didn't go qb sneak on those) if you look at the replay of the incomplete pass, Ben had a receiver wide open beyond the sticks looking at him about 5 yards away.

I don't know if ben didn'T see him or what, but he threw a lower pct pass downfield. That pass hit the receiver in the hands, and he didn't catch it. (Wasn't an easy catch, but could've been caught)

The play call did have people in positions to make plays, the players didn't make them. It is a team game, not all the blame can go on the sidelines. Play execution caused some desperate playcalling on Sunday.





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JMM said:
When was the last time we had a successful onside kick when the other team was expecting it?
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Would have to be NORM JOHNSON.


Salute the nation
 
LeXX75 said:
He and the coaches need to work on the game plan for the Pro Bowl
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Hmm...game plan looks like:

short sleeve shirts - check
shorts - check
flip flops - check
sunscreen - check
cool shades - check

tough assignment...make no mistake, this is severe punishment for the coaching staffs below the line performance.
poor guys
 
steel dino said:
Hmm...game plan looks like:

short sleeve shirts - check
shorts - check
flip flops - check
sunscreen - check
cool shades - check

tough assignment...make no mistake, this is severe punishment for the coaching staffs below the line performance.
poor guys
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so nothing new
 
slashsteel said:
your best chance of winning was playing the numbers, again playing a longer field VS a shorter field.

Because 999 out of 1000 times that onside kick doesn't work.
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The next thing is to consider how much PRACTICE they have put into an onside kick. My guess is last time they practiced it was training camp. Obviously Boswell was flustered and definitely not
"practiced" in the art of onside kicking. If that truly was a cenerio thought of, that would have been practiced in the time off between games......... instead of all the personal time off to the players. Just
another case of being unprepared.



Salute the nation
 
LeXX75 said:
He and the coaches need to work on the game plan for the Pro Bowl
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Ben might be the first Qb to audible in the pro bowl...wouldn't that be funny as ****!
 
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